This website exposes the flat earth deception and proves that the earth is globe shaped.
This page discusses maps which prove that the earth is a globe, not flat.
Question for flat earthers: How do you explain why the continent of Australia is distorted and appears to be 3,525 miles wide on the flat earth map, when we know from actual geodesic measurements that it’s 2,500 miles wide?
This is how the globe earth is rendered as a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection.
They flare the globe out at the south pole. This is why the continent of Antarctica is radically distorted to look like a white ring.
Flat Earthers cite the Gleason Map as a flat earth map, but Gleason knew that it’s a 2D representation of the globe earth.
Sunlight on the Gleason flat earth map does not work properly.
Two excellent videos that demonstrate clearly why the Geometry of Sun angles make no sense on a Flat Earth but always work perfectly on the Globe.
The continent of Australia appears to be really wide on the north-polar azimuthal projection, because it distorts the southern hemisphere. This proof alone proves that it is not a flat earth map, and that it is just a projection of the globe earth.
The map that flat-earthers use actually represents the globe earth!
It’s a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection, also called an azimuthal map projection. These maps can be centered from anywhere, but the north pole is the most common reference point.
You can make them on this Azimuthal Map Generator website, you just need to define the center point with longitude and latitude.
This is centered on the North Pole:
It is a projection of a globe earth onto a 2D map, that has straight meridian lines, with distances from the pole represented correctly.
It’s what you would see from the top of the globe earth, with the bottom hemisphere expanded out into the outer circles.
It’s not a proportionally correct map, as it exaggerates the size of countries in the southern hemisphere, as you can see with Australia, which is huge.
Australia is at the 45 degree south line, so on that map it’s twice the normal size.
If the bottom of the globe was water, then the edge of the map would have just been blue.
Since the continent of Antarctica is on the very bottom of the globe, the only way to represent it on a north-polar equidistant projection map is to spread it out around the outer circle, as all of the longitudinal (meridian) lines point down to it.
Here is one that is centered from the South Pole in Antarctica. You can see that the continents that are north of the equator are disproportionate. Note that Australia is correctly represented as it is close to Antarctica.
Here is one that is centered around the middle of the U.S., from Denver. Once again, the continents that are on the opposite side of the globe from the U.S. are disproportionately spread out in the outer circle.
Now look back at the above projection maps that are based from the South Pole and America. Because there is no land mass directly opposite of the center point, there is no land ring on the outside of the circle. It is just ocean.
Now let’s look at the north-pole equidistant map again. As I previously noted, the white land mass that encircles the map represents the continent of Antarctica, which is distorted by the map being flared out.
Every meridian line that originates from the North Pole runs down to the South Pole.
So on the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection below, the red circle represents the South Pole, as all of the meridian lines connect from the North Pole to the South Pole.
All of the meridian lines point down to the South Pole, which on this map is the red dot.
If you look at the land mass that encircles the azimuthal equidistant map projection, it is not uniform. The land mass is thicker on the right side. And there are some areas that are recessed.
That circular land mass is the continent of Antarctica spread out wide, and the .
Now look at this image that keeps the land mass around the outside edge, and has the continent of Antarctic in the middle, as that is what is on the bottom of the globe. The land mass is exaggerated, as the outside ring representation is exaggerated. The continent is inverted to match the inverted outer circle, as the equidistant view is from the top down.
Look at the left side of the continent, which is small compared to the right side. That matches the thin land mass of the left, compared to the right.
Now look at the peninsula on the left lower side at 240 degrees. It matches the peninsula on Antarctica.
The top of the circle is very thin and has a recess.
That matches the curvature of the top of Antarctica.
On the bottom right at 110 degrees, there is a small indentation.
That matches the bay on the southeast part of Antarctica.
Let’s take it one step further. The bottom left red line shows that the meridian lines runs from the bay of Antarctica through South America. The bottom left red lines shows that the meridian line runs from the small bay runs through Asia. The top red line shows that the meridian line runs from the other large bay in between North America and Russia.
The azimuthal equidistant map projection is only a tool, to help determine distances and flight maps on a globe earth.
Every time a flat-earther posts an explanation about direct airplane flights that they say is wrong on a globe earth; they are using this equidistant map, which is a globe map.
This Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe.
Notice that it doesn’t have an ice wall! That is because they didn’t include the continent of Antarctica, because it is so greatly distorted.
Here is the call out box on the top right:
It says “Since it is impossible to spread the surface of a globe on a flat surface without distortion, all maps are distorted in some respects. In this map the distortion occurs in the east and west distances. This distortion increases gradually from the North Pole to the Equator, and then quite rapidly to the outer limits. The distortion of the Antarctic areas would be so great that these are not shown.”
So they didn’t even include the supposed ‘ice wall’, because it’s not an ice wall; it’s the continent of Antarctica, which is greatly distorted by the algorithm used to make the projection map. Since Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way for the program to render it was to stretch it out as a circle. The outer circle is the South Pole. The continent has been inverted.
Flat earthers cite the Gleason’s New Standard Map Of The World as a flat earth map.
Alex Gleason wrote a book called “Is The Bible From Heaven – Is The Earth A Globe?’, in which he explains his flat earth theory.
He applied for a patent for his map projection, which describes the map’s use as a time calculator for students. Here is what the patent image looks like, which has two hands on it, which spin around the north pole.
But the most important passage from his patent description is this:
“The map is not so extorted (distorted) as to lose the relative latitude and longitude of any places on the land or sea, but retains all latitudes and longitudes of places agreeing with other recognized authors; and as the proper relations of continents and countries all stand in their relative position to each other, they are thus impressed upon the mind of the student.”
Note: the words extorted and extorsion obviously mean distorted and distortion, as that makes sense when speaking about latitude and longitude on a projection map.
Alex Gleason is saying that the map projection has distortions; because is was derived from some other shape. That is what a north-polar azimuthal projection is, a projection of the 3D globe onto a 2D graphic.
“The extorsion (distortion) of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles.”
Alex Gleason proclaimed that it is a projection of a globe, which maintains the integrity of the meridian lines.
And note his phrasing “the equator to the two poles.” A flat Earth does not have two poles.
They cite that the U.N. mocks us by using a flat earth map.
Once again, it is simply a equidistant map, which represents the globe earth in a 2D format. How else would they, or anyone, represent the globe to show all of the continents in a 2D format?
Goofy flat earth explanations about Astronomy:
Here is their flawed explanation of the path of the International Space Station. There is no integrity with flat earth explanations like this. The map on the top is obviously not a good representation of a globe, as it’s a flat map with the countries side by side. The bottom image is a good representation of a globe, as it is a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection map of the globe earth.
So they misrepresented the globe map, and then used a real globe map as supposed proof of the flat earth. Ya’ll need to wake up! The north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection map represents the globe earth. It is not a flat-earth map. By using that map you are proving the globe earth. Such irony!!!
First of all, the image they use of the globe positions the two continents side by side, but they are on opposite sides of the globe, so it is a misrepresentation, which distorts the flight path going across the ocean. Of course, flight paths stay over land as much as possible for obvious reasons.
Then they use an equidistant map as their supposed flat earth map, to show the direct flight route. The anazimuthal equidistant map projection which shows distances and directions accurately from the center point. In this case, it shows the optimal flight path from England to Texas, which is direct and stays over land as much as possible.
Here is the same flight path on a globe, which is the same as on the supposed flat earth map. You can use this echalk utility to see the direct flight path on the globe, which will match the equidistant map which the flat-earthers mistakenly use.
Here’s another example. Again the image on the left is a bad representation of a globe, and the image on the right is a globe equidistant projection map.
This all gets proved out with a picture of the flight on the globe earth
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Flat earth believers make memes about flight paths using an equidistant map for their explanation. The irony is that is exactly what an equidistant map is for, as it represents the globe in 2D, to map out direct flights.
Here is a list of the types of map projections, of the globe earth.
Good work.
I know this stuff has been around for years, but your presentation is one of the clearest and well laid out ones.
I am not surprised that you have had a lot of flack from Theists who MUST have a Flat Earth to hold their scriptural integrity together.
This particular debunking is only one of the “low hanging fruit” of their particular world construct, but I think it will continue to be as persistent as any other myths.
Thank you for your comment Ray! People debate about a lot of things, such as what Bible verses mean, NASA, etc., so I just try to provide simple, observable proofs which show that the earth is not flat. Sadly, flat earthers seem unable to see the truth.
I agree that there are much bigger conspiracies going on in this world, which seek to enslave all of mankind; and this is a minor issue in comparison.
This just might be my last post. I have read some very nasty things said by people trying to defend a flat earth. David has done a stellar job of turning the other cheek. I can only assume most of them believe it is Scripture that says the earth is flat. (If so, I find it quite disgusting that they would rely on Scripture for their argument, but, violate the rest of it through their behavior.) They must, therefore, believe that no matter how compelling evidence to the contrary, the Scripture cannot be challenged or Yahweh is a liar. I would agree that Yahweh is not a liar. That leaves only one other possibility… their (Human) interpretation of His words is incorrect. Either He is a liar, or their understanding is wrong. But, to admit they were wrong requires one very important element… swallowing their PRIDE.
If Earth is flat, show us the map. Just draw one. Heck, make it a rough draft with a pencil. Draw it on a chalkboard and take a pic. Post it. I CHALLENGE YOU! You will not be able to do it.
Thank you for your comment TJ. It amazes me how Christians conduct themselves when it comes to discussing the shape of the earth. They proclaim that Scripture proclaims that the earth is flat, so I am a liar and a deceiver. But I think that I’ve proved that they take verses out of context, which have nothing to do with the shape of the earth. Thanks again for sharing your insight! David
Actually it is flat as a seven year worldwide scientific expedition has proved as a documentary was just released at the end of March. Everything from lasers , telescopes , GPS , and so much more was used and all the results prove beyond the shadow of doubt that the globe model does not exist. We are on a flat plane and the creation of God. It’s understandable that your mind control programming has a deep hold on your mind and it cannot come to see the truth even with it in your face . They teach you globe from such a young age that you will never question this . Why do you think that is ? It is something that they don’t want you asking questions. It’s all part of the big lie Satan has spun along with the big bang and evolution . He wants you to turn your back on your creator and accept that you are an insignificant speck of nothing in an infinite universe when nothing could be further from the truth !
Ya’ll can’t even explain how the sun and moon stay up in the heavens above the earth. Ya’ll can’t explain how the orbit of the sun changes as it moves from the smaller northern Tropic of Capricorn to the much larger Tropic of Cancer. Ya’ll can’t explain how the sun would have to change from going 771 MPH at the Tropic of Capricorn to travel around the flat earth in one day; to 1,322 MPH on the Tropic of Capricorn. The sun can’t work properly on the flat earth model. http://flatearthdeception.com/the-sun-proves-the-flat-earth-deception/
I just love how you characterize my friend as a “teachable” flatearther! I was relying on his humility and intelligence; and it worked. I must reiterate my point about pride. As do I, my friend believes that Yahweh sets Himself against pride like a general sets himself against an enemy in battle. In fact, he is the one who taught me this. I knew going in that he would not allow pride to override his understanding.
Verily I say…. pride is the issue here, not intelligence.
T.J.
Yeah T.J., teachable people have humility and they just want to know the truth. They are not afraid to explore to test their theory.
Unteachable people won’t even consider another option. Most flat earthers that I’ve had discussions with, reject any proof that I show them, because it might put a crack in their flat earth dome. So yes, pride is the issue here.
All,
I recently posted a comment about one of my best friends being a flatearther. Since that post, I conducted the thought experiment mentioned in my post with him. Using a globe and Google maps we sat down together and conducted the experiment (though I told him he could choose any map he wanted as they would all agree.) He agreed that the SHAPE of all the continents as represented on a globe are accurate (excluding Antarctica until the end of the experiment.) He also agreed with all the measurements (DISTANCES) like Alaska being the largest U.S. state followed by Texas, then California. He agreed that Australia and the U.S. are approx. the same size, etc. He also agreed with distances like Houston to Dallas and L.A. to N.Y.; and that Hawaii is about the same distance from L.A. as L.A. is from N.Y., etc. He also agreed that Africa is about 4600 miles wide and about 5000 miles long, etc. etc. At the end of the experiment, he said “Yeah, but, your measurements are coming from a globe.” I said to him… “Exactly!” For the first time since I have known him, he had a look of bewilderment on his face. He had just proven to himself, using his own knowledge and skill set, that the shapes AND distances ARE accurate on the globe model; and he did so WITHOUT science or religion. I asked him to go back to Scripture and re-investigate the verses that led him to believe the earth is flat.
T.J.
That’s an awesome way to show a teachable flat earther that the geodesic measurements prove the globe earth, not the flat earth! You can print the Bible verse study, to help him see how some verses are taken out of context by flat earthers. http://flatearthdeception.com/biblical-proofs-of-the-globe-earth/
JP, I totally agree. My position is that all of us, including flatearthers, already possess the knowledge and skill set to determine if the earth is flat or a globe without reliance upon science or religion. The shapes of continents and distances between them have been accurately been measured long before NASA existed and they are INDISPUTABLE.
Though I disagree, I am willing to give them ALL their arguments including that NASA is lying, that all photographic evidence is faked, that all scientists, astronauts, pilots, and ship captains are either fools or a willing participant in a conspiracy. I am willing to give them their argument that there is a dome overhead, and the moon is self-illuminated, and a transparent moon, and an invisible, undetectable x-moon. I am even willing to give them the geocentric model and the interpretation that the CMB points to earth being the center of the universe. It is impossible to win any of these arguments or “convert” a flatearther on these points. What they can’t do is make an accurate map of a flat earth. Here is the proof that the flat earth theory is wrong… THEY CAN’T MAKE A MAP. It’s like trying to make a map of a beach ball. Just try it. It can’t be done because… a beach ball is globe shaped. When they say, “If earth is a globe, show us the curve.” I whip out my globe and say, “Here is the curve.” Just look a the Gleason map. Do they think Australians will agree that their continent looks like that? Do they think So. Africans will agree that their continent looks like that? It is impossible to “fool” an Australian into believing that their continent is shaped like that. I guess flatearthers think all Australians and So. Africans are in on the conspiracy, too.
The ONLY accurate map of Earth is a globe. I challenge anyone to make a map of the flat earth that does not distort the shape of continents, especially Australia, or the distances between them. Will any flatearther take me up on my challenge???
Geodetic surveying reveals that the angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that the Earth is curved. This is called ‘spherical excess’. If the Earth was flat, the angles would add up to 180 degrees. http://flatearthdeception.com/geodesy-proof-of-the-flat-earth-deception/
They have not done geodesic measurements of the earth, to be able to create a flat earth map, and they probably never will.
It’s easy to see that what they proclaim is a flat earth map is just a north-polar azimuthal projection of the globe earth. http://flatearthdeception.com/maps-prove-the-flat-earth-deception/
To those who believe Earth is flat… I would like to prove to you that you actually do believe in a globe earth. Please honestly answer the following questions:
I live in Texas, so, I will begin with that example. I have an old fold-up map I used to use to drive around Texas (before the internet.) I also have a globe in my office.
Can we agree that the SHAPE of Texas is accurate? If your answer is no, or I don’t know, then please STOP HERE. There is no reason for you to continue this thought experiment.
Can we agree that the shape of Texas on a fold-up map looks identical on a globe?
Can we agree that the SHAPE of the U.S. also looks identical on a fold-up map and a globe?
Can we agree that Australia also looks identical on a fold-up map and a globe?
Can we agree that Australia is about the same size as the U.S.?
EXCEPT for Antarctica, can we agree that the size and shape of all the continents appear virtually identical on both fold-up maps and a globe?
If we agree on the SHAPES of the continents, can we agree on their distances from each other; can we agree that London is approx. 3400 miles from New York City?
Can we agree that Hawaii is about 2500 miles from Los Angeles?
Can we agree that Auckland is about 1300 miles from Sydney?
Can we agree that Perth is about 5100 miles from Johannesburg?
If you answered yes to all these questions, then you absolutely do agree with the shapes and distances represented on a globe. If you deny the layout of a globe, then you are denying the real shapes and real distances. The reason there is no accurate map of the flat earth is because IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to represent both shapes and distances on a flat surface. We don’t need science or religion to help us understand this.
T.J.
That’s an interesting perspective T.J., but there’s no need to post the same comment on five different pages.
TJ… they will answer to you: because you truth the distance provided by the NASA
lol
I also dont get answers for these type of comments. they just stop responding,, because they have no explanation and will never recognize that they are false.
the problem they have: ALL the scientific cant be trusted, so they cant conduct scientifically researches. if they do so, what’s the result? if they become scientists??? ouch… so dont ask them to do researches etc…
I only have one thing to say to all the flat-earthers out there I’ve been in space I’ve seen it first-hand go to space and then tell me the Earth is flat until you’ve been to space your opinion means nothing
All I know is that NASA has described the earth as flat and nonrotating in there very own documents. NASA has a document written in 1988 at the Ames Research Center by Eugene L Duke, Robert F. Antoniewicz,
and Keith D. Krambee. Anyway they wrote a document titled Derivation and Definition
of a Linear Aircraft Model. Anyway this document goes on describe the different functions of those aircraft using very well put together scientific forumulas. They specifically state in there document that these aircraft would be flying over a flat nonrotating earth. On page 30 of NASA reference publication 1207 it states on the concluding remarks
“.This report derives and defines a set of linearized system matrices for a rigid aircraft of constant mass, flying
in a stationary atmosphere over a flat, nonrotating earth. Both generalized and standard linear system
equations are derived from nonlinear six-degree-of-freedom equations of motion and a large collection of
nonlinear observation (measurement) equations. ”
Anyway you can check out on page 30 of this Government document below if you want verify the claims I have stated.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19890005752.pdf
So would you agree or disagree with these scientist at NASA who have described the earth as flat and nonroating?
Matt, in that report they created a scenario that eliminates the effects of a rotating, curved earth; as those things don’t affect the performance of a small aircraft. So they eliminated those things and just focused on the characteristics of the plane.
Here’s a great discussion about that document. https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/319909/why-does-nasa-need-an-aircraft-model-flying-over-a-flat-and-nonrotating-earth
They didn’t say anything about a rotating curved earth being eliminated they said they described the earth as flat an nonrotating which is the exact opposite of what you say. Where in the document does it state to eliminate a curved rotating earth? We can’t go off of assumptions just to fit our world views. If you could show me real video proof of the earth rotating that would be great. Even that discussion you sent me to didn’t have any conclusive evidence of your claim. People were not satisfied with there response. Anyway if you have a real video that proves the earth is rotating from space thats all I need to see. Thanks.
The point of the report is not to prove that the earth is flat. It’s simply a scientific way to eliminate the unneeded variables. And given that NASA is not really trustworthy, they may have created the report as a deception, to make people like you believe that the earth is flat.
You ignore that I have clearly stated on the home page that I am open to the geocentric earth, meaning the earth is not turning or flying through space.
If you could provide me photos or video of the edge of the domed earth, or the dome itself, that would be great.
When you use the globe to draw a 2d line does that really reinforce your rather casual approach to the Globe Earth, a serious subject.
Flat Earthers have researched the subject often for many months. I would like to see the Geodetic data for the Eart especially the vast flat oceans and seas. Most of these companies exist on Government grants and will tell the public anything to keep their grant money coming in. I suppose when you useGoPro’s with their convex lens in conjunction with their rose-tinted glasses anything is possible.
Does this website seem like a casual approach? Seriously? There’s quite a few explanations on this website, with a wide range of topics.
Go make a azimuthal equidistant projection from anywhere in the world, I gave you the link on the page. It ain’t rocket science (pun intended) to see that your flat earth map is really a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe earth; which is why the continents that are furthest away from the north pole are so distorted; and why the continent of Antarctica is rendered as a white ring.
Maybe you should be the first Geodetic engineer to measure the oceans and seas. 😛
I don’t use a GoPro, so I’m not sure what you’re referring to.
You’ve proven nothing, just made statements, like a typical flat earther.
Than you obviously are not familiar with the Gleasons New Standard Map of the World which was made in 1892 by a man named Alex Gleason. It is the exact same map as the azimuthal equidistant projection and if you don’t think that is a flat earth map than why did Alex Gleason write a book titled “Is the Bible from Heaven? Is the Earth a Globe?”
Notice how this site doesn’t mention Gleasons Map or the book he wrote questioning the globe. Its the same map. Look it up. Than critique me if you must but look it up first and look up the book and compare maps.
I’m familiar with the Gleason’s Map. North-polar azimuthal equidistant projection were used well before 1892, so all Alex Gleason did is take the North-polar azimuthal equidistant projection, and proclaim that it’s a flat earth map.
If you read the home page of this website, it proves that the white ring is the continent of Antarctica. Since the continent of Antarctica is on the opposite side of the north pole, the mathematical algorithm inverted it and spread it out.
I demonstrated the same thing by basing the azumithal map from Santiago, Chile; which created a white ring out of Euro-Asia, as it’s opposite of Chile on the globe.
I also matched up the bays of the continent with the bays on the inverted white ring, proving again that the white ring represents the continent of Antarctica.
I also proved that the Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe. It doesn’t even include Antarctica because it’s so distorted; so the map does not have the white ring.
So Gleason’s Map doesn’t prove anything, other than some people have an agenda to proclaim that the North-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe, is a flat earth map.
Matt, I did some more research on Alex Gleason. He applied for a patent for his map projection, which describes the map’s use as a time calculator for students. But the most important passage from the flat-Earth standpoint is this:
“The map is not so distorted as to lose the relative latitude and longitude of any places on the land or sea, but retains all latitudes and longitudes of places agreeing with other recognized authors; and as the proper relations of continents and countries all stand in their relative position to each other, they are thus impressed upon the mind of the student.”
Alex Gleason is saying that the map projection has distortions; because is was derived from some other shape, like maybe a globe. That is what a north-polar azimuthal projection is, a projection of the 3D globe onto a 2D graphic.
“The distortion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles.”
Alex Gleason proclaimed that it is a projection of a globe, which maintains the integrity of the meridian lines.
And note his phrasing “the equator to the two poles.” A flat Earth does not have two poles.
In his own words, he said that his map is a projection of the globe.
http://flatearthdeception.com/maps-prove-the-flat-earth-deception/
Keif. If you were to see the geodetic data you want, I doubt you would understand it.
Your boast that flat earthers have researched the subject often for many months is hysterical.
Thank you for sharing your insight Duncan! 🙂
Hi David , great presentation.
When was the name azimuthal projection map created?
I’ve never heard of it until now however I have seen the same map alleged to have been found in a library in the USA called the American Standard map. Also I have read many debates about flat earth and have never heard of this explanation for this map.
I have read on other sites that similar maps date back to 1100 AD and even Egyptian times.
So way back then they knew it was round and knew of all the continent’s and distances between any 2 points …. is that correct?
Thank you for your comment Mike. As you noted, Wikipedia says that the azimuthal projection dates back to the 11th century.
Many people have used the azimuthal projection and called it something else, such as the Hammond’s Air Age Map Of The World.
Geodesic surveyors have painstakingly taken measurements from point to point, and using geometry and triangulation, have determined the size of continents, and the shape of the earth.
Geodetic surveying reveals that the angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that the Earth is curved. This is called ‘spherical excess’.
If the Earth was flat, the angles would add up to 180 degrees.
http://flatearthdeception.com/geodesy-proof-of-the-flat-earth-deception/