Search For Truth, Not To Defend A Belief

After a lot of research, I believe that the enemy has created a deception regarding the design of the universe.

The Illuminati card game has a Flat Earth card that says “People laugh, but the flat earthers know something”.

What flat earthers know is that the earth isn’t spinning, and it’s not flying through space orbiting the sun.  Astronomers and scientists have not proved that the Earth is moving.

And from our Earthly perspective, the planets and stars appear the same regardless of whether it’s the Copernican heliocentric view or the Tychonic geocentric view.

The deception is that the enemy has caused people to promote the heliocentric view based on philosophy, to not involve a Creator in the explanation of the design of the universe.

And that led to the big bang theory, the theory of evolution, etc.; all of which steals glory from our Creator, and deceives people.

It wasn’t until scientific probes produced data about the radiation of the expanding universe, and the orientation of the quasars and radio galaxies; that researches were able to see that all of those things were pointing back to Earth as the center of the universe.

These findings were published in a book titled ‘Geocentrism 101 – An Introduction into the  Science of  Geocentric Cosmology‘ in 2013, and then explained in a movie called The Principle in late 2014.

Then shortly afterward the flat earth theory was aggressively pushed on YouTube and Facebook, to try to cover over the evidence, and to cause people to dismiss anyone who teaches that the Earth is geocentric.

The enemy has created a false dichotomy, so that the debate is between the geocentric flat earth vs. the heliocentric globe earth; so that people don’t consider the third option, that of the geocentric globe earth.

It puts the Earth at the center of the universe, proving a Designer/Creator, and explains why stars perfectly circle the Earth; while maintaining the laws of physics of the globe earth and the surrounding elaborate universe, which is a precision time-piece.

Please read the geocentric Earth page, to see the scientific research that proves that we are at the center of the universe.

If you’re a flat-earther, you can decide to click away, thinking that you know the truth; but I would hope that your goal is to find the whole truth, not to defend a position.

People like Nathan Roberts proclaim that the “Bible says flat earth” and that there are 240+ verses that proclaim that the earth is flat.

I believe that the Bible points to a geocentric earth; but the verses that Nathan, and other flat earthers, cite to proclaim that the earth is flat, are taken out of context.   Please read this study and decide for yourself: Biblical Proofs Of The Geocentric Globe Earth.

Why would the enemy create the flat earth deception?

Because most flat earthers are sharing truth in other areas, whether it’s about coming out of churchianity, about the Illuminati and their agenda, etc.; so by getting them to believe in the flat earth, they cause family and friends to stop listening to all that they teach.

On this page I will address the major challenges that I’ve found with the flat earth theory, which are explained in more detail on the other pages.

Here’s a video from the Geographic South Pole, looking straight up, which proves that the earth is not flat. 

We can see the perfect circle of stars which is only possible on the globe earth, as no point on the supposed ice ring would show the stars circling overhead.

Here’s a video of a 5-day time-lapse from March 8-13, 2017, taken from the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station, which proves that the earth is not flat.

Airplane Video Proves Sun Is Not 3,000 Miles Above The Flat Earth

This observation is impossible on a Flat Earth with a Sun 3000 Miles above.  We can clearly see the Sun on the Horizon from 43,000 ft. The clouds beneath us are illuminated from below but are dark on top.

This geometry is impossible on a Flat Earth.  Of course – it works just fine on a Globe.

The Nikon P900 camera debunks the flat earth.

This video shows one ship that is moored near the horizon line, and the distant ship behind it which is well below the horizon; proving the curvature of the earth.

Some flat earthers commented that you should see the distant ship ’tilting’ if the Earth is curved, but the distance equates to only .23 degrees of tilt, which is not perceivable.

Sorry Flat Earthers The Equinox Geometry does NOT work on a Flat Earth.

The Flat Earth fails to explain the real observations we can make on the Equinox twice per year.


A commercial pilot who is based out of Australia, who makes international flights in the southern hemisphere, shows that flat earthers cannot produce a legitimate pilots flight plan.

The video description says: A message to Flat Earthers. If you can’t show me a map that works and you can’t tell me how to navigate precisely around the real Earth you are wasting your time telling me the Earth is Flat. I can and do navigate precisely around the real Earth and I have been doing this safely for over 30 years using the Globe. Time to start producing real results guys. The same old nonsense arguments won’t cut it here any longer.

Flat earthers misrepresent the size of the sun, to proclaim that it gets smaller as it sets.

Flat earthers misrepresent the size of the sun, proclaiming that it is shrinking

Here’s one of Wolfie6020‘s short videos where he used two cameras to record at the same time, one with a solar filter, one without.

Flat earthers have no scientific explanation for how to predict meteor showers and what causes them.

Here’s a list of upcoming meteor shows in 2018:

  • January 3,4 Quadrantids meteor shower
  • April 22-23 Lyrids meteor shower
  • May 6-7 Eta Aquarids meteor shower
  • July 28-29 Delta Aquarids meteor shower
  • August 12-13 Perseids meteor shower
  • October 8 Draconids meteor shower
  • October 21-22 Orionids meteor shower
  • November 5-6 Taurids meteor shower
  • November 17-18 Leonids meteor shower
  • December 13-14 Geminids meteor shower
  • December 21-22 Ursids meteor shower

Flat earthers tell us to trust our perspective, but when we do that, we see that the sun and moon do not line up with the flat earth theory.

Flat earthers proclaim that the moon is a flat disc, but that simply cannot be true.

This is so easily disproved, that it’s nonsensical for flat earthers to proclaim it.

Flat earthers proclaim that the moon is a flat disc, but that simply cannot be true.

The shadows on the moon prove that it is being illuminated from an external light source.

The sun obviously illuminates the moon, which is contrary to what flat earthers proclaim

Flat earthers cite Genesis 1:16 and say the the world ‘light‘ means that the moon is self-illuminated.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”

The Hebrew word for ‘light’ points to a luminous body. It does not say that it provides its own illumination.

ma’owr; properly, a luminous body or luminary, i.e. (abstractly) light (as an element): figuratively, brightness, i.e.cheerfulness; specifically, a chandelier:—bright, light.

Of course they have no way to scientifically explain how the moon illuminates itself, like we do for the Sun.

And they cannot explain how the moon changes its illumination so that we see crescent moons and half moons.

It’s impossible for people on the flat earth model to see the same side of the moon.

People in northern and southern hemispheres would see different sides of the flat earth moon

We would see different sides of the moon, on the flat earth model.

The moon can't work properly on the flat earth

The sun and moon do not vanish as a small dot over the horizon; but rather, they rise up from under the horizon and set below the horizon.

On the flat earth, objects that are moving away would simply grow smaller and disappear at the vanishing point, but they would always stay above the horizon.

But every day we see the Sun rise up from under the horizon, and set down below the horizon.

The rising moon proves the globe earth, not the flat earth

The setting sun proves the globe earth not the flat earth

It’s impossible for the sun to rise due East and set due West on the Equinox days.

The sun cannot work properly on the flat earth model.

The sun does not rise and set at the proper locations on the flat earth model.

Australia sun rises due East and sets due West on equinox, disproving flat earth theory

The paths of the 2017 and 2024 solar eclipses across the United States are impossible to explain on the flat earth model.

There is no scientific explanation for the solar eclipse on the flat earth model, and we can clearly see that the path of the eclipse across the United States, cannot match up with the circular path of the flat earth sun.

Here are the 2017 and 2024 eclipse paths overlaid on what people are calling a flat earth map. There is no way to explain how an eclipsed sun, which is circling south of the United States; could create shadows on the United States that curve in the opposite direction.

How do flat earthers scientifically predict upcoming solar and lunar eclipses?

They don’t! There is no scientific data which shows what causes the eclipses (many flat earthers say that the moon doesn’t cause the solar eclipse), and when they will happen.

The Spring and Fall Equinox is a great time to prove whether the earth is flat or a globe.

Geodetic surveying shows that angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that Earth is curved.  This is called ‘spherical excess’. 

Flat earthers push aside 100’s of years worth of measurements that have been recorded by geodesic surveyors all over the earth.

These surveyors have painstakingly taken measurements from point to point, and using geometry and triangulation, have determined the size of continents, and the shape of the earth.

Triangulation on a flat earth would yield 180 degree sums, but surveyors have found that the sums are greater than 180 degrees, which proves the arc of the earth.  Read Geodesy Proof Of The Flat Earth Deception.

Geodetic surveying reveals that the angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that the Earth is curved. This is called ‘spherical excess’. If the Earth was flat, the angles would add up to 180 degrees.

One of the biggest perspective problems is that flat earthers are applying the 8″ per mile squared earth curvature formula to wrong line.

The 8″ per mile squared calculation does not measure the curvature of the line of sight, your horizon line; it extends far beyond what you can see.

8 inch per mile squared formula for curved globe earth

One of the biggest perspective problems is that flat earthers are applying the 8" per mile earth curvature formula to wrong line.

Let’s apply this to a picture to see the difference between the level line and the horizon line.

Let's apply this to a picture to see the difference between the level line and the horizon line.

Here is the Earth’s Curve Horizon, Bulge, Drop, and Hidden Calculator, which people use to try to prove that the earth isn’t curved.  This is the default setting of the globe earth with a radius of 3,959 miles, which shows that if your view height is 6 feet, then your horizon line is 3 miles away.  And that’s pretty much what we see in real life.

Curved Earth Pythagorean theorem Formula

Most photos from flat earthers are taken from an elevated position, which extends the horizon line; so just plug the estimated height of the elevated position into the Metabunk Earth’s Curve Formula, and you will see that the horizon line matches up; proving the curved Earth.

Curved Earth Pythagorean theorem Formula viewer height

In the below calculation I used the Advanced option to add 7 zeroes after the planet radius, to mimic a planet that is so big that the flat top is bigger than the supposed flat earth.

And it shows that if your view height is 6 feet, your horizon line is 9,482 miles away.

Curved Earth Pythagorean theorem Formula flat

Now of course your eyes can’t see that far, but a good telescope would be able to see across the flat plain to be able to see that far.

The point is that if the earth really were flat, then you would be able to see much, much further than 3 miles.

Californians should be able to see Hawaii with a telescope, or Mt. McKinley, which is 20,000 feet high.  From atop of Pike Peaks, which is 14,000 feet high, I should be able to use a powerful telescope to see all of America.

But the reason that we can only see to the horizon line is because the earth is curved; you are seeing the bulge of the Earth.

Here is a more technical explanation of the Earth curvature formula, to see how it is being misapplied by flat earthers.

Here is a more technical explanation of the Earth curvature formula, to see how it is being misapplied by flat earthers.

There are a lot of explanations on this website which counter the flat earth explanations, but first let’s set the record straight about the map that most flat-earthers are using.

The map that flat-earthers use actually represents the globe earth!

Before computers, mapping out airplane flight routes was a challenge, as they had to use a globe, or images of the northern and southern hemispheres, like these.

Azimuthal equidistant map globes

To resolve this problem they created the azimuthal equidistant map, which allowed them to see all of the continents on one 2D map.

In order to do this, the bottom half of the globe earth had to be flared out into the outer circles. On the north-polar azimuthal projection map the northern hemisphere is shown in the inner circle, and the southern hemisphere is shown in the flared out circle that surrounds it.

The north-polar equidistant projectionmap is not a flat earth map!

These maps can be centered from anywhere.  If you were planning flights from London, you would center it on London.

North-polar azimuthal projection maps were used during times of war, and the polar route is the shortest distance between countries.

Rendering a globe earth onto a 2D image always cause some distortion.

On the azimuthal projection map, the further away the land mass is from the center point, the greater the distortion.  This is why Australia looks so wide, as it’s been stretched.

Since the continent of Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way to graphically represent it on the north-polar azimuthal projection map is by turning it inside out, and spreading it out as a white ring on the outside edge.

The South Pole is graphically represented by the outside line of the map.

You can see that the white ring has several bays that match up to the Ross Sea, which is close to New Zealand; and Weddell Sea, which is close to South America.

Below is a south-polar azimuthal equidistant projection map.  You can see that Antarctica and Australia are now normal size, as they are close to the center point; but North America and Euro-Russia are very distorted.  And you can see that the outside edge is blue, because opposite of the South Pole is water on the North Pole.

Antartica south pole azimuthal map proces the flat earth theory is false

Here is a equidistant projection map that is centered on Santiago, Chile.  North and South America are normal size, as is Antarctica, since they are close to the center point; but Euro-Russia is greatly distorted, so much so that it is graphically rendered as a ring around the outside edge (just like the north-polar map).


You can make your own azimuthal equidistant projection maps on this website. You just need to enter the location; such as 90N,0W for the north pole; and 90S, 0W for the south pole.

Here is a Hammond’s north-polar equidistant map for airplane travel, which is the same map that flat earthers use.

It has both sides of the globe represented, which are declaring that it is a projection of the globe earth onto a 2D map. You can clearly see the continent of Antarctica on the bottom of the globes in white.

Hammond's globe map is not a flat earth map

This close-up shows you that the globe declares the continent of Antarctica and the South Pole; and then again on the projection map.  It is declaring that the outside line is the South Pole.  It’s clearly telling you that the continent of Antarctica on the globe earth is represented as the white ring on the projection map.

Hammond's map declares that the ice ring is the continent of Antarctica

On the bottom left of the map is a guide to the distances between meridian (N-S) lines. The distance increases up to the equator, and then decrease at the same rate to the South Pole.  It’s declaring that though on the projection map it appears that the distances are become greater (because the southern hemisphere is flared out so that you can see it on a 2D projection map), that in fact they are getting smaller because the earth is globe-shaped.

Hammonds globe projection map meridian line distances prove that it is not a flat earth map

This Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe.

Notice that it doesn’t have an ice wall!  That is because they didn’t include the continent of Antarctica, because it is so greatly distorted.

azimuthal equidistant projection map is not a flat earth map

Here is the call out box on the top right:

This Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe.

It says “Since it is impossible to spread the surface of a globe on a flat surface without distortion, all maps are distorted in some respects.  In this map the distortion occurs in the east and west distances.  This distortion increases gradually from the North Pole to the Equator, and then quite rapidly to the outer limits.  The distortion of the Antarctic areas would be so great that these are not shown.”

So they didn’t even include the supposed ‘ice wall’, because it’s not an ice wall; it’s the continent of Antarctica, which is greatly distorted by the algorithm used to make the projection map.  Since Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way for the program to render it was to stretch it out as a circle.  The outer circle is the South Pole.   The continent has been inverted.

To prove that the supposed ice wall is really the distorted and inverted continent of Antarctica, here is an image that has the outer white ring and the continent of Antarctica.

The image keeps the land mass around the outside edge, and has the continent of Antarctica in the middle, as that is what is on the bottom of the globe.  The land mass is exaggerated, as the outside ring representation is exaggerated.  The continent is inverted to match the inverted outer circle, as the equidistant view is from the top down.

The flat earth map ice ring is actually antarctica

Look at the left side of the continent, which is small compared to the right side.  That matches the thin land mass of the left, compared to the right.

Now look at the peninsula on the left lower side at 240 degrees.  It matches the peninsula on Antarctica.

The top of the circle is very thin and has a recess.

That matches the curvature of the top of Antarctica.

On the bottom right at 110 degrees, there is a small indentation.

That matches the bay on the southeast part of Antarctica.

Let’s take it one step further.  The bottom left red line shows that the meridian lines runs from the bay of Antarctica through South America. The bottom left red lines shows that the meridian line runs from the small bay runs through Asia.  The top red line shows that the meridian line runs from the other large bay in between North America and Russia.

Flat Earth map is equidistant map

The azimuthal equidistant map projection is only a tool, to help determine distances and flight maps on a globe earth.

Every time a flat-earther posts an explanation about direct airplane flights that they say is wrong on a globe earth; they are using this equidistant map, which is a globe map.

Flat earthers take words out of context to say that the Bible declares a flat earth.

They cite the words “pillars of the earth” to proclaim that the flat earth sit on top of pillars.

He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and he hath set the world upon them.” 1 Samuel 2:8

Read 1 Samuel 2:2-7, 9-10; you see that the word ‘pillars’ is referring to leaders of the earth, not physical pillars that support the flat earth.

Just like the saying that someone is a ‘pillar in the community’, it is declaring they are a strong leader.

The context is clearly about Elohim raising seemingly lowly people and making them the leaders of the earth.  It is not talking about the design of the physical earth!

Flat earthers say that the ‘circle‘ in Isaiah 40:22 is declaring a flat circle earth.

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.

And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19

He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the heavenly circle, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.

Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21

Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32

The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.

The circle of Isaiah 40:22 is the ecliptic, not the flat earth circle

We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the celestial sphere (circle) of the stars of the Mazzoroth.

Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26

He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4

So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.

The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”

Stop manipulating the Word of Elohim!  Read Biblical Proofs Of The Flat Earth Deception.

One of the most misleading things that proponents of the flat earth say is to ‘use your perspective as proof‘.

The challenge is that we are a small human on a large earth, so our perception is distorted.

We can only see so wide and far, so staring at a horizon that is only a few miles wide, we cannot see the curvature.

Flatearthers posts pictures from airplanes which seem to have a straight horizon, but when you put a line across the photo, you can see the curvature. In this image you can see the line is level with the horizon at the airplane pillar, and that there is a gap on the left and right side.

Airline pilot photo shows the curved earth

On this picture the red line is level on the left side, but you can clearly see the gap on the right side.

Airline pilot photo shows the curved earth 3

On this picture the red line is even on the sides, and you can see the curve of the earth in the center.

Supposed flat earth airplane image

Flatearthers counter by claiming that airplanes have curved glass that distorts the horizon.
Do you really think that airplanes would have glass in the cockpit that distorts the pilots view?
Does the windshield in your car cause the horizon to curve?  No!


Flat-earthers push aside the witness and photos of countless astronomers throughout the years and around the world, who have taken pictures of the planets and distant galaxies.

They proclaim that there are no real planets, and that they are just projections or lights.

There are astronomy clubs at many schools and astronomy groups in most major cities, who take pictures of the moon, stars, planets and distant galaxies. There is just no way that all of that is a conspiracy to hide the flat earth theory.

You can buy phone apps that show you where to look in the sky for planets, so that you know where to look with your optical telescope.

You can visit astronomy clubs and they will let you look through their optical telescopes, to see the planets and distance galaxies for yourself.  There is simply no excuse for this laziness!

Read Astronomy Proves The Flat Earth Deception.

Flat earthers push aside the witness of people who work in companies that use satellites.

They proclaim that there are no satellites, but that everything is done through cables or ground-based antennas.

Meteorologists around the world use satellites to show storms like hurricanes.

Hughes Satellite internet service can’t work with cables or land-based antennas, as the locations that receive the signals are too remote.

Navstar GPS works in remote areas through satellites.

Look at a house with the Dish Network, Echostar, DirectTV. What direction is the dish pointed to? The sky!!!

Look at a remote-location TV news crew, where is their dish pointed to?  The sky!

Sirius radio provides signals to you when you are far away from ground based antennas

Look at remote military units and military facilities to see where their dishes are pointed to.  The sky!

To deny satellites is to deny the existence of a space program covering the US, EU, Russia, China, India, Brazil, employing tens of millions of people and spending tens of billions of dollars a year, putting satellites in orbit, sending probes everywhere, creating the GPS system, satellite TV, etc.

It would mean that all of that is faked, on an ongoing basis, and none of these tens of millions of people has ever exposed the lie.

Read Satellites Prove The Flat Earth Deception.

They push aside the many people who have been to Antarctica as a researcher or tourist.

Flat earthers proclaim that the ice ring is protected so that nobody can see the end of the flat earth.

But that is ludicrous as people visit every year for research and for tourism.

Read Antarctica Proves The Flat Earth Deception

So why is the flat earth a topic these days? 

More and more people on Facebook and YouTube are promoting the flat earth theory, with ridiculous explanations that prove nothing.

Many of these people expose other conspiracies that have been foisted upon us; and they expose the truth about the Father and Son’s true names, about the Holy Feast Days, corrupt Bibles, etc.

So I believe that the enemy is getting them to believe in the flat-earth theory, so that others will discount all that they are proclaiming. It’s called a PSYOP, a Psychological Operation.

I think that flat-earthers are going to make everyone so tired of hearing about it, that people will not seek any of the truths that they share.  Many of them opening condemn everyone who doesn’t believe it, calling them fools and globeheads.

The story that Christians believed in a flat earth until Columbus’ time, and for some time thereafter, began as part of a fictional story that was elevated to historical fact by late 19th-century Darwinists who used it primarily as a means to ridicule Christians.

Sadly that appears to be happening again, as truthers who proclaim the flat earth are being ridiculed.

I hope that this page has helped to open your eyes to the truth, that the earth is a globe.

If you have some insight to prove that what I have shown is not correct, please comment below.

If you just want to make statements, without any proof; or if you just want to make accusations against me; then your comment may not be added to the discussion.

David Nikao

p.s. My explanations are logical, and are based on what we can see.  I don’t offer scientific explanations, because that is not my strength.

Sadly, I see flat earthers mocking scientific explanations about the globe earth, but giving really unscientific answers.

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Lisa November 3, 2018 at 9:18 pm

I have not read through all the comments, so it will most likely be from someone elses comment to say: Best proof of All – No person has driven a vehicle nor walked off an edge. No boat has ever sailed off an edge. No airplane nor space craft has crashed into the dome.


David November 3, 2018 at 9:35 pm

Thank you for sharing your insight Lisa. It is amazing that in all of human history, nobody has reached the edge of the supposed flat earth.


John Wright October 26, 2018 at 8:38 pm

Satan is the god of this world. He is the father of lies. How dare someone have a website called only to take a stance against the Flat Earth. Big guns from the top. To any reader. Don’t believe its true by what I say. Don’t believe it’s not true by what this site says. Listen to the information. Think for yourself. Not for others, just yourself. Do your own research. Ask questions. Do you know why there is a conspiracy about the flat earth in the first place? In 1947 Admiral Richard E. Byrd and the U.S. Government came up with the lie of aliens to hide what was knocking down the NAVY’S aircraft. It wasn’t aliens or the Germans, it was Genesis 1:6-8 and God said let there be a firmament in the heavens to separate the waters above from the waters below. The vast expanse, the vaulted dome. From Babylon, the apostate church, the kings of the earth, to the wicked one himself no one was to find out this information. Securing secrecy was paramount even up to the point of murder. If anyone found out about “The Firmament” the discovery would validate the Scriptures and the Bible. Knowledge of this ruins the evil ones plans of a false flag alien (demonic) invasion perpetrated by NASA that goes as far back as the fallen angels. Despite NASA’S fake claims, CGI, moon landing hoaxes, phony numbers, and mathematics that match up to their pseudoscience does not the truth of God make. There are over 240 scriptures that teach us about The Alpha & Omega’s flat earth.
Here is a short Biblical rundown of flat earth. Job 38:4 where was thou when I laid the foundation of the earth? 2 Samuel 22:16 the foundation of the world. 1 Samuel 2:8 for the pillars of the earth are JESUS’ and He has set the world upon them. Job 38:6 Who laid the cornerstone? Isaiah 40:22 (ISV) it is He who is upon the “DISK” of the earth. 1537 William Tyndale Bible 2 Samuel 11:11 “THE ERTHE IS FLATT “.Genesis 1:9 let the dry land appear. Genesis 1:6-8 the firmament, vast expanse, vaulted dome. Job 37:18 spread out the sky, which is strong and as a molten looking glass. Genesis 1:1 Jesus The Father created The earth on the first day. Genesis1:14 God created the sun on the fourth day. Genesis 1:16 and JESUS The Father made the sun the moon and the stars. Genesis says nothing about planets. Habakkuk 3:11 The sun and the moon stood still in there habitation. The Earth is the center of the universe the sun and the moon orbit around earth Genesis 1:9 let the water under heaven be gathered together into one place. Job 38:13 The ends of the earth. Isaiah 11:12 The four corners of the earth. Job 26:10 He compassed the oceans waters with an ice wall boundary that the oceans waters may not pass over. [The Antarctica ice wall] Some versions of the Bible say He inscribed a circle. A circle is flat, which is different than a ball or sphere. The word circle is used many times in the Scriptures. A circle does not mean a round ball that stands up spinning, rotating, or orbiting. A circle lies flat on the ground. Psalms 93:1 the earth cannot be moved forever. 1 Chronicles 16:30 The earth is stable it cannot be moved. Zechariah 1:11 all the earth sits quietly and is at rest. Habakkuk 3:11 The sun and the moon stood still in there habitation. In the book of Enoch section 3 chapter 72 The earth is the center of the universe where the sun and the moon follow their courses and there seasons. The sun has its rising portals in the moon has it six portals. The earth is stationary, immovable, forever. Revelation 1:7 behold JESUS comes with the clouds and every I shall see Him. The only way every eye can see JESUS as He descends in the clouds is if the earth is flat. If we lived on a round spherical ball spinning and blasting through space every one could not see JESUS at the same time. Water must always take the shape of its container and It rests level to the horizon. If a Christian believes in the globe model they are not a Christian. The globe model is in line with the theory of evolution, Darwinism, you believe that you come from monkeys and apes, you believe that we are of Neil A(rmstrong), sorry if you look closely it’s backwards for AlieN seed, and the most embarrassing one of them all, comes courtesy of the Roman Catholic Church & priest Georges Lemaitre, you believe that nothing plus nothing equals the Big Bang. Every image you see from NASA is a computer generated image {CGI} or a painting. There are hundreds of different models for the globe from the NASA archives created at Hollywood Studios. If we live in the same place all the time there should only be one model of the globe. Even with the alleged space station we still do not have one real image of the earth we live on. Besides the space station is a balloon they deploy from the back of a NASA vehicle that busts constantly. Look for them in Google Images for yourself. What people don’t understand about the flat earth is that it proves the Scriptures to be correct. The flat earth can lead lost souls to have a relationship with JESUS CHRIST. If you believe in the globe it leads you to have a relationship with the devil. It’s that simple. Again in the William Tyndale Bible of 1537 2 Samuel 11:11 says “The FLATT ERTHE “. The true reason the flat earth has been hidden is because it proves the Scriptures to be right, it proves the existence of the Divine Creator/God The Father and because it can lead people to Jesus Christ. One last important note The Divine Creator/God The Father is not YAHWEY. YHVH/YHWH and the language did not exist until 900 BC. Colossians 2:9 for in Jesus dwelleth the fullness of the GODHEAD. JESUS THE FATHER, JESUS THE SON/CHRIST, JESUS THE HOLY SPIRIT.


David October 27, 2018 at 2:16 am

Wow, that’s a lot of information John! “How dare someone have a website called only to take a stance against the Flat Earth.” Seriously? I investigated the flat earth, watched many videos and read many articles, and I documented what I’ve found to be true.

If you believe that the earth is flat, prove the explanations on the Flat Earth Deception home page, wrong.

“If you believe in the globe it leads you to have a relationship with the devil. It’s that simple.” I have a covenant relationship with the Father through His Son, and I believe that the earth is a globe; so your statement is invalid.

And you ignore that I believe that the earth is geocentric, at the center of the universe, which proves a Creator.

Did you bother reading my explanations about the Bible verse? I addressed some of your points. Regarding 1 Samuel 2:8, first, let’s apply logic. When constructing a large structure, a foundation is created and then the pillars are mounted on top of the foundation.

Does it make any sense to place pillars under the flat earth, since the pillars would not be mounted on top of a foundation, but rather would sit in open space?

The first part of 1 Samuel 2:8 tells you that the latter part is not talking about the creation/design of the earth. Rather it is talking about the leaders of the earth, the pillars, who Elohim controls to uphold civil order in the world. The previous verse is talking about raising people up in status, and bringing them down.

“The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.” 1 Samuel 2:7

The next few verses are talking about the saints being preserve from the wicked, and the adversaries of the lord being broken to pieces.

Regarding 2 Samuel 11:11, the context of the verse is not about the design of the earth, it’s about where they put their tents. When you go camping, do you put your tent in an open field on the flat earth? Or on a rocky hillside?

As per usual, flat earthers take verses out of context to try to make the Bible point to a flat earth. It’s quite pathetic!

You say that people all around the world would only be able to see Messiah return, if the earth is flat; but that’s not logical. Can people in Australia see Jerusalem? No! Can they see the center of the flat earth, where the northern star is? No! So your statement doesn’t disprove the globe earth.

You say that every NASA image is CGI, which is goofy, because they didn’t have CGI decades ago when some of the pictures were taken. But the irony is that flat earthers don’t have any pictures of the supposed glass dome, the edge of the dome, or the flat earth from above which would prove it out.

As for your point about the Father’s name, it’s nonsensical, as His name is written in the ancient Hebrew manuscripts. The KJ and other bibles replaced the tetragrammaton, YHUH, with the titles of God and Lord.

As for the name Iesous/Jesus, it’s the Greek transliteration of Messiah’s name. But His parents and disciples did not call Him by a Greek name, but a Hebrew name.


colin ford October 27, 2018 at 11:54 am

John Wright,
I agree with you, the earth is flat/geocentric, and that it is not a globe. But, please, have a little more grace? To say; “If a Christian believes in the globe model, they are not a Christian.” is an utterly crass and preposterous thing to say, it undoes much good of what you write. Believing the earth to be flat, or otherwise, a Christian does it not one make!

Many very good God fearing men down the ages have been deceived by the heliocentric deception since the days of Copernicus, such as Ryle, Spurgeon, Newton, Mueller etc, were they too, “not a Christian”, as you assert?


David October 27, 2018 at 2:44 pm

I believe that the globe earth is geocentric, so I think that many very good men of Elohim have rightly believed that the earth is a globe, but have been deceived by the heliocentric deception. But them being deceived doesn’t have an impact on their covenant relationship with the Father through the Son.


Pastor Luke Waters October 11, 2018 at 7:09 pm

Many years ago, I spoke with a Christian electrical engineer who told me that as he read the verse Matthew 13:31 and Mark 4:31, he felt curious and compelled to investigate the physical and electronic attributes of a mustard seed.

What he found was very compelling. He said he wrote a book about it but I was unable to get a copy. I am hoping others hear might know how to find this information or do a test themselves.

This electronic engineer told me that as he used electronic measuring instruments to examine what if anything might be found around this seed, he found an electric impulse. Intrigued, he noted the measurement and proceeded to move further and further from the seed. After noting nine distinct measurements, the pattern began to repeat itself.

He shared that he knew nothing about the solar system, so, he used his knowledge in math to create a model based on what he discovered from the mustard seed. Once he had completed his calculations, he went to an encyclopedic and discovered that all of his calculations matched those of the solar system with the exception of Pluto. This caused concern, however, if you recall, i am not exactly sure of when it was, but sometime in the late 70’s earlier 80’s, an adjustment to the distance of Pluto was made by astronomers. After he heard the story, he checked his calculations and the new estimate matched what he had discovered from the mustard seed.

With all the discussion about the shape of the earth, I felt that this might be a compelling topic for those who have the proper skills and knowledge to put this to the test. I am a pastor and I love language…unfortunately I am not up to the task I am presenting here.

I would live to hear some feedback!

God Bless You All!


David October 11, 2018 at 8:13 pm

Thank you for sharing that insight Pastor Waters, it’s very interesting! I’ve never heard that explanation, nor am I the person to prove it out. Hopefully someone else can help. May our Heavenly Father bless you! David


LMAO October 6, 2018 at 11:21 pm

You kids are special.
walking around..sound asleep…completely unaware of how oblivious you are to reality.


Learn how to think for yourself, and you may find the answers you seek…

asking the chef if the food is good is not ideal……
Learn everything about food until you can decide for yourself what is quality and what is BS.


David October 6, 2018 at 11:46 pm

You’re mocking statements prove nothing, and the fact that you don’t use a real name or email address tells us about your character. The explanations on this website show that I can think for myself, as none of them are based on NASA or any other source. They prove that the earth is not flat with simple logic and observation. Sadly, that eludes your mind.


John Klingenbeeck October 6, 2018 at 9:15 pm

Hi David,

It seems you claim that a six foot tall person should view a horizon line only 3 miles away! I’m over 6 feet and from Santa Monica Bay I remember viewing Catalina island over 24 miles away! Indeed, I found photographs of Catalina island from the shores of the Palos Verdes peninsula, a distance of over 24 miles. Please explain your meta bank calculations. Thanks.

John Kligenbeck


David October 6, 2018 at 11:49 pm

Hi John, please provide pictures that prove out what you’re saying, including the elevation of the observer. Provide a picture of Catalina Island from Santa Monica Bay so that I can see what part of it, if any, is cut off on the bottom. Then I can look at the curvature formula and provide an explanation. Until then, it’s just your statement about your memory. David


Kel September 29, 2018 at 9:37 pm

Maybe the earth is flat, and moving, like a “swaying drunkard” and then you’d have an argument about the he eclipse paths being possible. I don’t know ow either way. Just saying.


TJ Jones September 20, 2018 at 10:39 pm


It seems we have strayed from the topic a bit.

I don’t see that you addressed my question about Ps. 19. You say that the term “circuit” in verse 6 indicates the sun LITERALLY revolves around the earth. Am I to also believe verse 4 means the sun LITERALLY goes into a tent each night?

And, what about verse 1? Doesn’t billions of years and billions of galaxies ALL CREATED FOR US seem more like the almighty and all-powerful Elohim? Whether flat earth or geocentric earth or any earth, why are we trying to put Yahweh in a box of limitations? Why would he give us the ability to consider a larger creation? Think about that… say we are in a fishbowl, but, we can imagine an endless ocean. That leads me to ask… why so small when he could have made it infinitely large?



David September 21, 2018 at 12:50 am

I don’t recall seeing a question in your comment about Ps. 19. You expressed your view. You know my view. What else is there to say?

I don’t understand your point about verse 1. How is my explanation putting Elohim in a box of limitations? I have not limited the expanse of the heavens that He created, by saying that the earth is the center of the universe.


TJ Jones September 18, 2018 at 5:24 pm


I agree, but you are mixing the timeless of Yahweh with the human time line. In Yahweh, there is no tomorrow or yesterday and He knows all from beginning to end. On Earth, the sins of the world were forgiven by a specific act at a specific time. Had the Messiah come during David’s lifetime, He would surly have recognized it, accepted it, and saw it as fulfillment of the law he so devoutly believed in. In no way did I suggest redemption is an afterthought. But, redemption did not happen until the sacrifice.

Do you have any comments regarding the geo model requiring faster-than-light travel?




colin ford September 19, 2018 at 9:03 am

So you must be a supralapsarian, like me? Of course there is a timeline, nevertheless, time is temporary, or rather a parenthesis, which we will only fully understand in eternity. We should remember, as you know, that the Psalmist, as indeed all the prophets (OT & NT) were speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Those that have died since the fall have passed into eternity (righteous and unrighteous alike) wouldn’t experience time as as we do now, to them, I believe a thousand years will be as one day! ( Ps. 90.4, 2 pet.3.8).
Of more concern is your allusion to “billions of years and billions of galaxies”, are you what they call a theistic evolutionist?

Anyway, as this article/thread is primarily about the shape of this ere place where we daily stamp our feet; to answer your question, I don’t even think about “the geo model requiring faster-than-light travel?” For me, scriptures such as Job 9.10 settle the matter in this regard, for God “doeth great things past finding out”. Now, I am not saying it is wrong to look into these things, far from it, but when we can’t figure things out, as believers we should be “as little children” Matt. 18.3!

I was reading somewhere (think it was Quora – worst thing I have done recently was comment there, I now get bombarded with stupid questions!) the other day that according to your heliocentric theory, it takes light eight minutes to get to our ‘planet’, they always go on about this, but what about the sun’s heat? How long does that take to get to us? does heat travel as fast as light? it may be even slower than the speed of sound!


colin ford September 18, 2018 at 1:15 pm

TJ sates; “we must not forget that the Psalms were written BEFORE the sins of the world were forgiven.” I would respectfully remind him that the Lamb WAS “slain from the foundation of the world” Rev. 13.8, and if we entertain any doubt on this, Eph. 1.4 says that the Lord Jesus Christ “hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world.”
Redemption was no afterthought; is it any wonder that “the angels desire to look into” these things? 1 pet. 1.12. Their Creator became one of us! Heb. 1.5, Heb. 2.16-17 etc.

I did comment here some time ago, but there are no trace of them now, do you bin them? Anyway, I am not so daft as to believe that the earth is completely flat, there are hills, mountains, valleys, humps, and bumps everywhere!

Certainly, whatever the exact shape of the earth, I agree with you that the earth is geocentric, that is the CLEAR teaching of Scripture. But, does water curve? not from my personal observations!


David September 18, 2018 at 4:35 pm

All of your comments are still posted. Maybe you’re not looking on the right page, or clicking on previous comments to see them all.

Thanks for clarifying that you don’t believe that the earth is completely flat. 😛

As for your personal perspective of water curving, it’s a big planet. All you have to do is plug your viewing elevation into a curvature formula, and it tells you where the horizon line should appear. And when you look out at a body of water, it matches the curvature formula. The average person can see about 3 miles. And I repeatedly see people post pictures of the ocean and the horizon line is at about 3 miles. Hello!?! That’s proof that the earth is curved!!!


colin ford September 19, 2018 at 10:59 am

It is interesting that you call the earth a “planet”, but God’s word says otherwise. Now, I believe the word “planet” is only mentioned once in the 1611 KJV Bible, and that in 2 Kings 23.5. The 1884 Revised Version in the marginal notes, renders the “planets” to be the “twelve signs” or the “constellations”, so if our earth be a “planet”, then it must also be one of the “twelve signs”? Maybe, even the thirteenth!
The heaven is the heaven, earth the earth, the sun the sun, moon the moon, planets the planets, stars the stars, and so on.

God’s Book says “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth”, now, that is a loaded statement, all encompassing per se, it plainly infers that the earth is down here and the heaven is up there, as we learn from subsequent scriptures, and our own observations. By “loaded”, I mean that we can logically deduce that the earth is as long and wide as the heaven (the first heaven at least). The earth is the antithesis of the heaven, and when we study God’s Book, we learn that the heaven is UP there, but if we be on a globe, spinning or no, then logically, the heaven is down there as well! How can this be? The heaven is ALWAYS above us.

The NASA stooge, Neil deGrasse Tyson is on record as saying that the earth is now “pear-shaped”, and this, despite all of NASA’s images depicting the earth as a perfect globe! You really couldn’t make all this up!


David September 19, 2018 at 1:46 pm

I understand why you’re a flat earther Colin. 😛


colin ford September 19, 2018 at 10:21 pm

Thank you for that, but ever remember that I am only ‘arguing’ from God’s written word, and not from my own futile reasoning.

TJ Jones September 17, 2018 at 6:34 pm

You are correct. I have no proof. The words clearly indicate the sun stopped. I cannot argue with that. I am actually glad you chose Ps. 19 and would point out two things:

The first part of Ps 19, as with many of David’s Psalms, is almost completely metaphorical. It is full of similes “Like a bridegroom,” like a strong man” and metaphors, “In them He set up a tent for the sun.” If we take words like “circuit” literally, then we are obliged to believe the sun goes into an actual tent as we understand it, made of cloth, each night. Consider a more direct and precise interpretation of verse 1:

“The heavens are proclaiming the esteem of El; And the expanse is declaring the work of His hand.”

In this translation/transliteration, the bigger the expanse, the bigger His creation, and the bigger His esteem (glory). David opens with glorifying Yahweh, not to explain how the solar system works. The word “firmament” is not in this translation. “Expanse” provides the reader with a similar, but, clearly different understanding and expanse certainly matches the observations of today.

Additionally, we should not ignore the fact that David switches gears right in the middle of 19. There is a reason for this. Beginning at verse 7, the language changes to glorifying the law. David, as is well known, absolutely believed the law because he saw it as a PERFECT gift from Yahweh. He loved Yahweh and he loved the law just as much as we love Yahushua. Think about that… David loved his law- the Torah; as much as we love our law- the law of the spirit through Messiah [Rm 8]. Verses 1-6 of Ps 19 are a prequel to David’s glorifying the perfect law of Yahweh and aren’t meant as a literal description of the sun’s movement. I think it can be reasonably argued that Psalm 19 is meant to glorify the law and the one who gave it.

Lastly, we must not forget that the Psalms were written BEFORE the sins of the world were forgiven. We are now under a new (renewed) law with a new high priest.

I stand by my two main points. The Authors wrote what they saw which agrees with your premise that they couldn’t tell the difference; and today’s observations do not disprove what the early writers saw and it actually further magnifies the glory of the creator. I can’t reiterate it often enough that after Yahweh did all this, billions of years and billions of galaxies just for His love for us, He went one step further… He sacrificed His own Son. If we think the universe is big, how much more is that sacrifice. Put yourself in Abraham’s shoes, raise the knife over the life of your own flesh and blood. Such an act was and is still considered the ultimate sacrifice a man could make… way bigger than giving up a ram or a bull. Yahweh has done what Abraham was willing to do, all for one reason and one reason only… love. In this, He has fulfilled His promise and covenant with Abraham and all of it is bigger than creation itself. For me, these realizations and understandings make everything else virtually irrelevant. I am not required to wonder what the Garden of Eden was really like, or which animal came first, or if Moses really parted the Red Sea or if there really was a flood, etc., etc. If my purpose is to do the Will of Yahweh, then none of that is necessarily relevant and that purpose slams the door in the face of doubt. In fact, I am starting to question some of my previous posts in that, right or wrong, the activity itself might not have been what Yahweh wanted me to do that day.



David September 19, 2018 at 10:24 pm

Both sides proclaim that they are arguing from God’s written word, but many of the verses that flat earthers cite are ridiculous explanations, such as the ‘pillars of the earth’ or the ‘giant tree’ in Daniel 4.


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