Search For Truth, Not To Defend A Belief

Obviously by the title, you can see that this website provides explanations that show that the flat earth theory doesn’t work in the real world.

Let me start by saying that I understand that it doesn’t seem like the Earth is spinning or that we are flying through space; and that Bible verses seem to point to a stationary earth, and a moving sun.  While those things seem to point to a geocentric design of our universe, it does not in itself prove that the earth is flat.

I know that NASA misleads people about their missions and uses CGI images, but that in itself doesn’t prove the flat earth. The enemy is quite devious, and may use those things on purpose to reinforce their deception.

Why would the enemy create the flat earth deception?

Because most flat earthers are sharing truth in other areas, whether it’s about coming out of churchianity, about the Illuminati and their agenda, etc.; so by getting them to believe in the flat earth, they cause family and friends to stop listening to all that they teach.

On this page I will address the major challenges that I’ve found with the flat earth theory, which are explained in more detail on the other pages.

If you’re a flat-earther, you can decide to click away, thinking that you know the truth; but I would hope that your goal is to find the whole truth, not to defend a position.

I don’t have all of the answers, but my gifting is discernment and my logical mind helps eliminate explanations that are contrary to logic and what we actually see.

Airline flights in the Southern Hemisphere prove that the Earth is not flat.

You can use a flight tracker like Flight Aware, to see the length of travel time and miles, of flights in the Southern Hemisphere; to see that it’s impossible on a flat earth.

Here is a flight from Redcliffe, Australia to Johannesburg, South Africa.

Here is a flight from Redcliffe, Australia to Johannesburg, South Africa.

Here is the page that lists flights from Sydney, Australia to Johannesburg, South Africa.

Here is a flight from Sydney, Australia to Santiago, Chile.

Here is a flight from Redcliffe, Australia to Johannesburg, South Africa. Flight time is 10h 32m. Tuesday 25-Apr-2017 12:07AM AWST to Tuesday 25-Apr-2017 04:39AM SAST

Here is the page that lists flights from Sydney, Australia to Santiago.

It is impossible for those flights to be made in that amount of time, and that short of a distance, on a flat earth!

The continent of Antarctica is circumnavigated as a boating race coarse in the Antarctica Cup Race.

The Antarctica Cup Ocean Race and the Antarctica Cup Racetrack. This event is a non-stop race of around 14,000 nautical miles – circumnavigating Antarctica passing the three most notorious capes on the planet Cape Leeuwin, Cape Horn, Cape Agulhuss.

Right now Lisa Blair is attempting to become the first female to circumnavigate Antarctica solo.

You can track her journey on this page.

Obviously if they were sailing around the supposed ice wall on the flat earth, they would be traveling a much longer distance; as flat earthers estimate that it would be 70,000 miles.

Geodetic surveying shows that angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that Earth is curved.  This is called ‘spherical excess’. 

If the Earth was flat, the angles would add up to 180 degrees.

Geodetic surveying reveals that the angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that the Earth is curved. This is called ‘spherical excess’. If the Earth was flat, the angles would add up to 180 degrees.

Flat earthers tell us to trust our perspective, but when we do that, we see that the sun and moon do not line up with the flat earth theory.

The sun does not rise and set at the proper locations on the flat earth model.

Australia sun rises due East and sets due West on equinox, disproving flat earth theory

It’s impossible for people on the flat earth model to see the same side of the moon.

Full moon perspective doesn't work on flat earth model

We would see different sides of the moon, on the flat earth model.

The moon can't work properly on the flat earth

People in the Southern Hemisphere can all look South and see the South Celestial Pole star, which is only possible on a globe earth.

On the flat earth model, if people in Australia, South Africa and South America, were all facing South, they would be facing opposite directions, so there is no way that they can all see the South Celestial Pole star, which does not move.

Yet people in those three Southern Hemisphere continents can look South and see the South Celestial Pole star, and see the stars circling around it.

On the flat earth model, if people in Australia, South Africa and South America, were all facing South, they would be facing opposite directions. Yet people in those three Southern Hemisphere continents can look South and see the South Celestial Pole star, and see the stars circling around it. This proves that the North and South Pole stars are at the top and bottom of the ball of lights, and the other stars are circling the globe Earth.

Stars circling the South Celestial Pole from Sydney, Australia

South Pole Star from Sydney Australia proves the globe Earth

Stars circling the South Celestial Pole from Reunion Island, South Africa

South Pole Star from Reunion Island, South Africa proves the globe Earth

Stars circling the South Celestial Pole from Santiago, Chile

South Pole Star from Santiago Chile proves the globe Earth

This proves that the North and South Pole stars are at the top and bottom of the Earth, and the spinning globe causes  stars to seem like they are spinning around the pole stars.

This proves that the North and South Pole stars are at the top and bottom of the Earth, and the other stars are circling the globe Earth.

One of the biggest perspective problems is that flat earthers are applying the 8″ per mile squared earth curvature formula to wrong line.

The 8″ per mile squared calculation does not measure the curvature of the line of sight, your horizon line; it extends far beyond what you can see.

8 inch per mile squared formula for curved globe earth

One of the biggest perspective problems is that flat earthers are applying the 8" per mile earth curvature formula to wrong line.

Let’s apply this to a picture to see the difference between the level line and the horizon line.

Let's apply this to a picture to see the difference between the level line and the horizon line.

Here is the Earth’s Curve Horizon, Bulge, Drop, and Hidden Calculator, which people use to try to prove that the earth isn’t curved.  This is the default setting of the globe earth with a radius of 3,959 miles, which shows that if your view height is 6 feet, then your horizon line is 3 miles away.  And that’s pretty much what we see in real life.

Curved Earth Pythagorean theorem Formula

Most photos from flat earthers are taken from an elevated position, which extends the horizon line; so just plug the estimated height of the elevated position into the Metabunk Earth’s Curve Formula, and you will see that the horizon line matches up; proving the curved Earth.

Curved Earth Pythagorean theorem Formula viewer height

In the below calculation I used the Advanced option to add 7 zeroes after the planet radius, to mimic a planet that is so big that the flat top is bigger than the supposed flat earth.

And it shows that if your view height is 6 feet, your horizon line is 9,482 miles away.

Curved Earth Pythagorean theorem Formula flat

Now of course your eyes can’t see that far, but a good telescope would be able to see across the flat plain to be able to see that far.

The point is that if the earth really were flat, then you would be able to see much, much further than 3 miles.

Californians should be able to see Hawaii with a telescope, or Mt. McKinley, which is 20,000 feet high.  From atop of Pike Peaks, which is 14,000 feet high, I should be able to use a powerful telescope to see all of America.

But the reason that we can only see to the horizon line is because the earth is curved; you are seeing the bulge of the Earth.

Here is a more technical explanation of the Earth curvature formula, to see how it is being misapplied by flat earthers.

Here is a more technical explanation of the Earth curvature formula, to see how it is being misapplied by flat earthers.

There are a lot of explanations on this website which counter the flat earth explanations, but first let’s set the record straight about the map that most flat-earthers are using.

The map that flat-earthers use actually represents the globe earth!

Before computers, mapping out airplane flight routes was a challenge, as they had to use a globe, or images of the northern and southern hemispheres, like these.

Azimuthal equidistant map globes

To resolve this problem they created the azimuthal equidistant map, which allowed them to see all of the continents on one 2D map.

In order to do this, the bottom half of the globe earth had to be flared out into the outer circles. On the north-polar azimuthal projection map the northern hemisphere is shown in the inner circle, and the southern hemisphere is shown in the flared out circle that surrounds it.

The north-polar equidistant projectionmap is not a flat earth map!

These maps can be centered from anywhere.  If you were planning flights from London, you would center it on London.

North-polar azimuthal projection maps were used during times of war, and the polar route is the shortest distance between countries.

Rendering a globe earth onto a 2D image always cause some distortion.

On the azimuthal projection map, the further away the land mass is from the center point, the greater the distortion.  This is why Australia looks so wide, as it’s been stretched.

Since the continent of Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way to graphically represent it on the north-polar azimuthal projection map is by turning it inside out, and spreading it out as a white ring on the outside edge.

The South Pole is graphically represented by the outside line of the map.

You can see that the white ring has several bays that match up to the Ross Sea, which is close to New Zealand; and Weddell Sea, which is close to South America.

Below is a south-polar azimuthal equidistant projection map.  You can see that Antarctica and Australia are now normal size, as they are close to the center point; but North America and Euro-Russia are very distorted.  And you can see that the outside edge is blue, because opposite of the South Pole is water on the North Pole.

Antartica south pole azimuthal map proces the flat earth theory is false

Here is a equidistant projection map that is centered on Santiago, Chile.  North and South America are normal size, as is Antarctica, since they are close to the center point; but Euro-Russia is greatly distorted, so much so that it is graphically rendered as a ring around the outside edge (just like the north-polar map).

 eqmap-santiago-chile

You can make your own azimuthal equidistant projection maps on this website. You just need to enter the location; such as 90N,0W for the north pole; and 90S, 0W for the south pole.

Here is a Hammond’s north-polar equidistant map for airplane travel, which is the same map that flat earthers use.

It has both sides of the globe represented, which are declaring that it is a projection of the globe earth onto a 2D map. You can clearly see the continent of Antarctica on the bottom of the globes in white.

Hammond's globe map is not a flat earth map

This close-up shows you that the globe declares the continent of Antarctica and the South Pole; and then again on the projection map.  It is declaring that the outside line is the South Pole.  It’s clearly telling you that the continent of Antarctica on the globe earth is represented as the white ring on the projection map.

Hammond's map declares that the ice ring is the continent of Antarctica

On the bottom left of the map is a guide to the distances between meridian (N-S) lines. The distance increases up to the equator, and then decrease at the same rate to the South Pole.  It’s declaring that though on the projection map it appears that the distances are become greater (because the southern hemisphere is flared out so that you can see it on a 2D projection map), that in fact they are getting smaller because the earth is globe-shaped.

Hammonds globe projection map meridian line distances prove that it is not a flat earth map

This Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe.

Notice that it doesn’t have an ice wall!  That is because they didn’t include the continent of Antarctica, because it is so greatly distorted.

azimuthal equidistant projection map is not a flat earth map

Here is the call out box on the top right:

This Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe.

It says “Since it is impossible to spread the surface of a globe on a flat surface without distortion, all maps are distorted in some respects.  In this map the distortion occurs in the east and west distances.  This distortion increases gradually from the North Pole to the Equator, and then quite rapidly to the outer limits.  The distortion of the Antarctic areas would be so great that these are not shown.”

So they didn’t even include the supposed ‘ice wall’, because it’s not an ice wall; it’s the continent of Antarctica, which is greatly distorted by the algorithm used to make the projection map.  Since Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way for the program to render it was to stretch it out as a circle.  The outer circle is the South Pole.   The continent has been inverted.

To prove that the supposed ice wall is really the distorted and inverted continent of Antarctica, here is an image that has the outer white ring and the continent of Antarctica.

The image keeps the land mass around the outside edge, and has the continent of Antarctica in the middle, as that is what is on the bottom of the globe.  The land mass is exaggerated, as the outside ring representation is exaggerated.  The continent is inverted to match the inverted outer circle, as the equidistant view is from the top down.

The flat earth map ice ring is actually antarctica

Look at the left side of the continent, which is small compared to the right side.  That matches the thin land mass of the left, compared to the right.

Now look at the peninsula on the left lower side at 240 degrees.  It matches the peninsula on Antarctica.

The top of the circle is very thin and has a recess.

That matches the curvature of the top of Antarctica.

On the bottom right at 110 degrees, there is a small indentation.

That matches the bay on the southeast part of Antarctica.

Let’s take it one step further.  The bottom left red line shows that the meridian lines runs from the bay of Antarctica through South America. The bottom left red lines shows that the meridian line runs from the small bay runs through Asia.  The top red line shows that the meridian line runs from the other large bay in between North America and Russia.

Flat Earth map is equidistant map

The azimuthal equidistant map projection is only a tool, to help determine distances and flight maps on a globe earth.

Every time a flat-earther posts an explanation about direct airplane flights that they say is wrong on a globe earth; they are using this equidistant map, which is a globe map.

The sun and moon do not vanish as a small dot over the horizon; but rather, they rise up from under the horizon and set below the horizon.

On the flat earth, objects that are moving away would simply grow smaller and disappear at the vanishing point, but they would always stay above the horizon.

But every day we see the Sun rise up from under the horizon, and set down below the horizon.

The setting sun proves the globe earth not the flat earth

The rising moon proves the globe earth, not the flat earth

Flat earthers push aside proofs that the flat earth model doesn’t work, by claiming that the moon illuminates itself.

The sun obviously illuminates the moon, which is contrary to what flat earthers proclaim

The flat earth model cannot illuminate the night moon, while not illuminating the sky.

sun-moon-illuminated

The flat earth sun and moon are said to be 3,000 miles above the earth, so the suns rays would strike the moon on a horizontal plane.

This is no way for the sun’s rays to illuminate the moon, while not illuminating the sky around it.

90 minutes after the full moon rises on the eastern horizon, the whole sky is dark, because the sun is more than 18 degrees around the globe earth.

The sun’s rays no longer strike any part of the overhead sky, but its rays continue to strike the moon, as they both continue around their circuit.

The flat earth model sun cannot illuminate the bottom side of the crescent moon.

The flat earth model sun cannot illuminate the bottom side of the crescent moon.

A total lunar eclipse is not possible on the flat earth model.

During a total solar eclipse there is no way on the flat earth model that a circular shadow can be cast on the moon. There is nothing in between sun and moon on the flat earth model to create a solar eclipse.

The path of the Sun and Moon prove that the flat earth theory is invalid.

The full moon does not work on the flat earth model.

It’s not just the full moon that doesn’t work, but that’s the clearest example.

On the evening that the full moon is rising on the east horizon, the sun is setting on the west horizon.  Throughout the night the sun and moon will continue moving west, and the sun (which is ahead of the moon) will illuminate the side of the moon that is facing it.

The problem on the flat earth model is that from our perspective as the moon transits the sky, the side of the moon that is fully illuminated by the sun moves away from us.

The path of the Sun and Moon prove that the flat earth theory is invalid

There is no way to see a full moon all evening on the flat earth model, because when the moon sets in the west, the sun is ahead of it illuminating the side that is hidden from us

Flat earthers cite Genesis 1:16 and say the the world ‘light‘ means that the moon is self-illuminated.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”

The Hebrew word for ‘light’ points to a luminous body. It does not say that it provides its own illumination.

ma’owr; properly, a luminous body or luminary, i.e. (abstractly) light (as an element): figuratively, brightness, i.e.cheerfulness; specifically, a chandelier:—bright, light.

Of course they have no way to scientifically explain how the moon illuminates itself, like we do for the Sun.

And they cannot explain how the moon changes its illumination so that we see crescent moons and half moons.

Flat earthers cannot explain how the moon changes its illumination so that we see crescent moons and half moons.

The evidence of a moon that reflects the suns light is obvious, as it creates the phases of the moon.

Flat earthers take words out of context to say that the Bible declares a flat earth.

They cite the words “pillars of the earth” to proclaim that the flat earth sit on top of pillars.

He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and he hath set the world upon them.” 1 Samuel 2:8

Read 1 Samuel 2:2-7, 9-10; you see that the word ‘pillars’ is referring to leaders of the earth, not physical pillars that support the flat earth.

Just like the saying that someone is a ‘pillar in the community’, it is declaring they are a strong leader.

The context is clearly about Elohim raising seemingly lowly people and making them the leaders of the earth.  It is not talking about the design of the physical earth!

Flat earthers say that the ‘circle‘ in Isaiah 40:22 is declaring a flat circle earth.

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.

And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19

He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the heavenly circle, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.

Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21

Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32

The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.

The circle of Isaiah 40:22 is the ecliptic, not the flat earth circle

We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the celestial sphere (circle) of the stars of the Mazzoroth.

Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26

He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4

So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.

The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”

Stop manipulating the Word of Elohim!  Read Biblical Proofs Of The Flat Earth Deception.

One of the most misleading things that proponents of the flat earth say is to ‘use your perspective as proof‘.

The challenge is that we are a small human on a large earth, so our perception is distorted.

We can only see so wide and far, so staring at a horizon that is only a few miles wide, we cannot see the curvature.

Flatearthers posts pictures from airplanes which seem to have a straight horizon, but when you put a line across the photo, you can see the curvature. In this image you can see the line is level with the horizon at the airplane pillar, and that there is a gap on the left and right side.

Airline pilot photo shows the curved earth

On this picture the red line is level on the left side, but you can clearly see the gap on the right side.

Airline pilot photo shows the curved earth 3

On this picture the red line is even on the sides, and you can see the curve of the earth in the center.

Supposed flat earth airplane image

Flatearthers counter by claiming that airplanes have curved glass that distorts the horizon.
Do you really think that airplanes would have glass in the cockpit that distorts the pilots view?
Does the windshield in your car cause the horizon to curve?  No!

Flat earthers push aside 100’s of years worth of measurements that have been recorded by geodesic surveyors all over the earth.

These surveyors have painstakingly taken measurements from point to point, and using geometry and triangulation, have determined the size of continents, and the shape of the earth.

Triangulation on a flat earth would yield 180 degree sums, but surveyors have found that the sums are greater than 180 degrees, which proves the arc of the earth.  Read Geodesy Proof Of The Flat Earth Deception.

Flat-earthers push aside the witness and photos of countless astronomers throughout the years and around the world, who have taken pictures of the planets and distant galaxies.

They proclaim that there are no real planets, and that they are just projections or lights.

There are astronomy clubs at many schools and astronomy groups in most major cities, who take pictures of the moon, stars, planets and distant galaxies. There is just no way that all of that is a conspiracy to hide the flat earth theory.

You can buy phone apps that show you where to look in the sky for planets, so that you know where to look with your optical telescope.

You can visit astronomy clubs and they will let you look through their optical telescopes, to see the planets and distance galaxies for yourself.  There is simply no excuse for this laziness!

Read Astronomy Proves The Flat Earth Deception.

Flat earthers push aside the witness of people who work in companies that use satellites.

They proclaim that there are no satellites, but that everything is done through cables or ground-based antennas.

Meteorologists around the world use satellites to show storms like hurricanes.

Hughes Satellite internet service can’t work with cables or land-based antennas, as the locations that receive the signals are too remote.

Navstar GPS works in remote areas through satellites.

Look at a house with the Dish Network, Echostar, DirectTV. What direction is the dish pointed to? The sky!!!

Look at a remote-location TV news crew, where is their dish pointed to?  The sky!

Sirius radio provides signals to you when you are far away from ground based antennas

Look at remote military units and military facilities to see where their dishes are pointed to.  The sky!

To deny satellites is to deny the existence of a space program covering the US, EU, Russia, China, India, Brazil, employing tens of millions of people and spending tens of billions of dollars a year, putting satellites in orbit, sending probes everywhere, creating the GPS system, satellite TV, etc.

It would mean that all of that is faked, on an ongoing basis, and none of these tens of millions of people has ever exposed the lie.

Read Satellites Prove The Flat Earth Deception.

They push aside the many people who have been to Antarctica as a researcher or tourist.

Flat earthers proclaim that the ice ring is protected so that nobody can see the end of the flat earth.

But that is ludicrous as people visit every year for research and for tourism.

Read Antarctica Proves The Flat Earth Deception

They push aside the witness of water rotation physics.

Water going down drains swirls rotates clockwise in the northern hemisphere and counter-clockwise in the southern hemisphere. There is no explanation for this in the flat earth model.

Hurricanes typically rotate counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere. Typhoons typically rotate clockwise in the southern hemisphere.  There is no explanation for this in the flat earth model.

These short videos address many flat earth explanations.

Proving the Earth is not Flat – Part 1 – The Horizon

Proving the Earth is not Flat – Part 2 – The Stars

Proving the Earth is not Flat – Part 3 – The Moon

Proving the Earth is not Flat – Part 4 – Easy Experiments

So why is the flat earth a topic these days? 

More and more people on Facebook and YouTube are promoting the flat earth theory, with ridiculous explanations that prove nothing.

Many of these people expose other conspiracies that have been foisted upon us; and they expose the truth about the Father and Son’s true names, about the Holy Feast Days, corrupt Bibles, etc.

So I believe that the enemy is getting them to believe in the flat-earth theory, so that others will discount all that they are proclaiming. It’s called a PSYOP, a Psychological Operation.

I think that flat-earthers are going to make everyone so tired of hearing about it, that people will not seek any of the truths that they share.  Many of them opening condemn everyone who doesn’t believe it, calling them fools and globeheads.

The story that Christians believed in a flat earth until Columbus’ time, and for some time thereafter, began as part of a fictional story that was elevated to historical fact by late 19th-century Darwinists who used it primarily as a means to ridicule Christians.

Sadly that appears to be happening again, as truthers who proclaim the flat earth are being ridiculed.

I hope that this page has helped to open your eyes to the truth, that the earth is a globe.

Please comment below.

David Nikao

p.s. My explanations are logical, and are based on what we can see.  I don’t offer scientific explanations, because that is not my strength.

Sadly, I see flat earthers mocking scientific explanations about the globe earth, but giving really unscientific answers.

If you want scientific answers, visit Creation Ministries International. They have many proofs that show that the flat earth model cannot work properly; and which prove the globe earth, with science and geometry.

p.p.s  If you’re a flat earther, and you are mocking the designs of the globe earth and the universe; you are mocking your Creator!

Sadly, in my research, I’ve had to witness many believers acting woefully on Facebook and YouTube, towards people whom they call ‘globeheads‘; mocking them, attacking them, and treating fellow believers with disrespect.  Oh, how the Father must be displeased with this division that the enemy has created!

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{ 85 comments… read them below or add one }

James Arendt March 4, 2017 at 5:15 am

I am so glad to find a website that is dedicated to expose Flat Earth as a psychological operation designed to mislead God’s people!

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David March 4, 2017 at 5:34 am

Thank you for your comment James! It makes me sad that so many good people who are exposing deceptions, are being misled by this PSYOP, so that others won’t listen to them about anything.

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Jim March 8, 2017 at 12:09 am

Moderated comment sections are not conducive to free and open debate.

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David March 8, 2017 at 1:07 am

Lots of spam being posted on Wordpress blogs these days, so moderated comments is a must.

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Torpex April 11, 2017 at 1:53 pm

Not Flaming, James, you do know that the “idea” of a flat earth goes back thousands of years right? Not saying its valid! Your post read (to me) that perhaps you were unaware of this. If I am wrong, I apologize.

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Philip Cowley April 29, 2017 at 8:56 pm

The idea that the Earth is flat has been a “fringe” belief for thousands of years. The ancient Greeks knew the earth wasn’t flat and the Romans knew it, the Persians knew it, the Indians and Chinese knew it. Even the Roman Catholic Church accepted long before the “dark ages”. It is an utter fallacy that people thought that the world is flat. While ignorant “commoners” may have, the educated classes haven’t for millennia.

While the idea never really died, it is only with the advent of modern communications, first books, telegraph, telephone and then electronic media has the idea begun to grow again. With like minded (insert derogatory comment here) individuals being able to find each other and reinforce their ideas.

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David April 29, 2017 at 9:05 pm

Thank you for sharing your perspective Philip! I believe that the flat earth PSYOP is designed for two main reasons. To cause people to stop listening to truthers, who promote the flat earth. And to test, to see how dumbed-down people are these days. It’s been really sad to watch Facebook friends get deceived by this PSYOP, and lose credibility with their family and friends. And when I read their explanations about the flat earth, my heart hurts.

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Icaller1915 April 20, 2017 at 6:52 pm

So true, this website is very highly dedicated to exposing all of the lies that the Flat Earth Society makes up for five main purposes, to discredit, distract, divide, confuse and brainwash people. Members of the Flat Earth Society just want to make money only for themselves to maintain their websites so they can brainwash more and more people.

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LG Trimmel March 7, 2017 at 11:47 pm

Nice try, but when flat earth truth comes out, you and the rest of the globers will be hiding under the rocks!

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David March 8, 2017 at 1:06 am

Hiding under rocks LG? Um, okay. Hey, let me know when ya’ll get a real flat earth map, and/or take pictures of the edge of the flat earth dome. 😛

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Jim March 8, 2017 at 4:06 am

Let me know when you get a picture of the sphere that isn’t ovlerlays or cgi. 😅

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xabixavi March 24, 2017 at 1:37 pm

yes… that´s an impossibility… case closed! ! ! !

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Talmid March 8, 2017 at 9:12 pm

Nice article, David. I agree with you that “flat earth” is a deception from the adversary. I would, however, like to mention that the coriolis effect is too weak to overcome local currents and irregularities in a sink’s shape to actually affect drain direction.

Try it yourself. If you introduce a small current with the swirl of your finger, the water will continue to drain in that direction.

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David March 9, 2017 at 4:53 am

Thank you for your comment Talmid! That’s an interesting point about the Coriolis effect. I try to provide simple proofs, instead of scientific ones, as that’s not my area of expertise. The irony is that flat earthers make statements that are contrary to proven scientific principles, based only on their observation. The Zetetic philosophy = observation trumps science.

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Loren March 20, 2017 at 9:47 pm

Thank you for creating this website. I am trying to get my cousin out of his flat earth conspiracy mindset. It’s very unsettling to me as a scientist how many flat earth memes and sites are out there and how brainwashed their followers are. Any words of advice for convincing a flat-earth family member? Thank you again for all your help. Great site.

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David March 21, 2017 at 2:24 am

Thank you for your comment Loren! Yeah, people post supposed scientific proofs, that have no clue about science.

As for helping people see the truth, that is why I’ve created the images on the home page and other pages, to just help them see one small truth at a time, to create doubt.

You are welcome to save the images and share them. Then people can see that the curve formula is being applied to the wrong line. They can see that the flat earth map is really a north-polar azimuthal equidistant project of the globe Earth. They can see that the sun and moon can’t work properly on the flat earth model.

I’m not real scientific, so my proofs are more logic-based; but if you have some scientific proofs, you are welcome to share them here.

David

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finlay March 22, 2017 at 9:51 pm

The comments on this website seem to display much ignorance about the reality and understanding of the flat earth model. The simplest proof of a non-spinning and stationary Earth is readily available by examining any airline schedule for actual direct flight times between two cities, say Vancouver Canada and London England. In either direction the flight time is approximately the same. An obvious impossibility on a spinning globe. The more one investigates, the more apparent the hoax of a spinning globe earth becomes.

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David March 23, 2017 at 1:09 am

The home starts off with this statement, “Let me start by saying that I understand that it doesn’t seem like the Earth is spinning or that we are flying through space; and that Bible verses seem to point to a stationary earth, and a moving sun. While those things seem to point to a geocentric design of our universe, it does not in itself prove that the earth is flat.”

This website proves that the Earth is a globe, not flat. It doesn’t cover the heliocentric vs. geocentric discussion.

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finlay March 23, 2017 at 8:57 pm

Nowhere do I find any actual proof on this website of the Earth being a globe. We indeed live in the reality of an electromagnetic universe, yet physicists are still unable to resolve the realm of quantum mechanics behaving differently from the larger world around us. Nikola Tesla perhaps came closest to such an understanding. The reality we think we see is actually created by the action of observation (study various double-slit experiments to better understand this concept). Genesis explains how we and our world came into being, and how the firmament presents a barrier preventing physical escape. Even the military projects in the 50’s and 60’s (High Jump and Fishbowl) used high altitude nuclear detonations in an attempt to penetrate the barrier. Resultantly Antarctica is off limits to open exploration and NASA provides expensive fairy tales to continue brainwashing the masses.

As far as I am concerned, the flat earth model best explains the situation we find ourselves in even though much more is to be discovered. Most of the supposed proofs of a globe spinning through endless ever expanding space are based on theoretical physics originating from the “Big Bang” theory. A theory is not a fact.

As I stated in my previous post, how is it possible that air travel times on a plane at the same speed and altitude are approximately the same in either direction on a spinning globe? I would appreciate an explanation of how this is possible on anything other than a flat earth.

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David March 24, 2017 at 1:36 am

There is plenty of proof on this website that the Earth is globe-shaped, but you apparently are programmed and can’t see it.

The flat earth map is proof of a globe earth, as it is a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe. 😛

Every time flat earthers post that map, they are posting a globe map. Such ignorance!

Antarctica is not off limits, as you can see on the Antarctica page that people travel by cruise ship and airplanes to it for vacations. http://flatearthdeception.com/antarctica-proves-the-flat-earth-deception/

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Bundy March 31, 2017 at 3:34 pm

finlay,
Flight times are shorter when traveling east than they are when traveling west, thanks to the rotation of the earth.
For example: London to Tokyo takes 11 hours. Tokyo to London takes 12.5 hours – 1.5 hour difference approximately. Now I know that you’ll tell me ‘the pilot is flying slower on purpose’, or ‘around in circles’, as if that’s what they’re taught to do at flight school to keep the illusion going.
And please explain why, when on a long haul 12 hour flight taking off at midday, it gets dark after 6 hours when traveling east, then gets light again half way through your journey, yet stays light all during the entire flight when on the return journey, travelling west, taking off at the same time.
My guess is that you’ve never even set foot on a plane so have absolutely no idea and base your argument on fake videos. And on a plane at 39,000 feet you can see the curvature of the earth with the naked eye. Or have they designed the windows to create the illusion?
Seriously, you need to give yourself a good talking to but I’m guessing when you get older, you’ll look back on this day and say to yourself, “what the hell was I thinking back then?”.

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xabixavi March 24, 2017 at 1:32 pm

sorry but your presentation lacks any proof that the earth is a globe. You just simply repeat what has been debunked plenty by many who have studied the subject and exposed the lies of the masters of the system. I wish I could believe you but you are way too short on valid arguments or realistic facts to shake my firm belief that our home base is an “unlimited flat wonderland”. By the way, in 1963 when I was six, I first heard about this “unlimited flat wonderland” as my Grandpa used to call it.

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David March 24, 2017 at 2:22 pm

You can’t debunk that the map that flat earthers use is really a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe.

You can’t debunk that flat earthers are applying the curve formula to the wrong line. They apply it to the Horizon Line, not the Horizontal Line.

You can’t debunk that on the flat earth, when the full moon appears in the East, we should see one side of it; when it is overhead, we should see the bottom of it; and when it disappears in the East, we should see the back side of it. Of course, that is not what we see.

You can’t debunk that the Sun and moon do not decrease in size to a small dot and then disappear at the vanishing point; as our eyes see them rise up from under the horizon line and set below the horizon line; which is not possible on a flat earth.

You live in a wonderland all right!

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finlay March 24, 2017 at 6:01 pm

Dear David,

Good to know that you have looked at the moon and noticed it looks the same from anywhere on Earth. The simplest explanation may be because it is not as you have been told to think it is, but is instead just a self luminous and flat circle projection from above. Did you know that many people have also documented the fact that on days when the both the Sun and Moon are both visible during daylight hours, there are often discrepancies in what one “should” see versus what is actually seen?

Regarding your Antarctica being not “off limits”, try to go anywhere beyond the controlled visitor sites and let me know how you make out. Admiral Byrd’s interviews might enlighten you as to what may be encountered.

All the supposedly “global Earth proofs” can just as easily be debunked as you seem to enjoy debunking the flat earth scenario. I suggest that you learn more about this subject by actually investigating with an open mind, rather than just assuming what you believe to be true.

By the way, I still await an explanation as to how international airlines manage to fly in either direction in approximately the same air time on a spinning globe. Perhaps you now realize that to be impossible? I shall look forward to hearing from anyone able to answer this rather simple question.

Thank you

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David March 24, 2017 at 7:31 pm

Finlay, to say that the moon is self luminous is absurd! I’ve tracked the moon phases and locations in the sky at sunset each night after the new moon. And every night the moon appears 1/14th further east from the setting sun, and 1/14th more of it is illuminated. It waxes from a crescent moon in the West, to a half moon directly overhead, to a full moon rising up on the Eastern horizon. It’s obvious that the Sun is illuminating the moon, and that the phases are a reflection (pun intended) of our ability to see the side of the moon which is illuminated.

You still didn’t debunk that if the moon was only 3,000 above the flat earth, then we would see three different sides of it; front, bottom and back side.

You can’t debunk that people in North America and South America see the same side of the full moon, at the same time. That is because the moon is so far away, that they have the same basic angle of perspective. On the flat earth, with the moon only 3,000 miles up, they would see different sides of the moon.

You’re going to be waiting a long time for the airlines explanation, because I already told you that I am debating globe vs flat earth; not heliocentric vs. geocentric. This website not about whether the earth is spinning.

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finlay March 25, 2017 at 12:42 am

Greetings once more, David,

Some people just don’t seem to be able to figure it out, so maybe this link might help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWCYX_O9f0s#t=176.358958

If you agree that the moon always appears as more or less the same circular disk in the sky, why do you think you need to see 3 different sides? Think of a flat but circular sticker on a dome with a front (facing you). Can you see a side and back??

You say you are debating globe vs. flat earth, but NOT heliocentric vs. geocentric. So maybe you can explain the difference, as they seem to be pretty well the same to me. The assumptions you make on this website just indicate you are not really searching for any truth, but have your mind made up about a globe and are just repeating the same old baloney brainwashed globalists love to spout.

Maybe you haven’t yet discovered “Seek and Ye shall find”. With a truly open mind, this world and the heavens above can be seen for the wondrous creations they are. Good luck with your searching..

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David March 25, 2017 at 2:15 am

Greetings Finlay. Some people? That’s too funny! Apparently I’m part of that group.

That video is goofy, as at the 30 second mark it can’t even reconcile a moon and sun in the sky at the same time. It’s because the moon is waning from the full moon, and it’s orbit is moving it back towards the Sun’s path, to start the cycle over again. So they appear in the sky at the same time, and because of the angle, we can’t see all of the illuminated side of the moon, thus the partially illuminated moon.

The moon craters have shadows which directly correspond to the position of the sun and moon, proving that the moon is not flat, and proving once again that the Sun illuminates the moon.

It’s funny that you dismiss all of that, but you have no explanation for how the moon creates the phases of illumination.

I have not made any assumptions. All of the examples I provided are what I see, and they logically prove that the earth is not flat.

Just because my explanations don’t agree with your view, does not mean that I haven’t sought true, and it does not mean that I’m wrong.

I can prove that you don’t have a map, and the map you use is a globe map.

I can prove that you are applying the curvature formula to the wrong line.

I can prove that the sun and moon can’t work properly on the flat earth model.

I can prove that the sun does illuminate the moon.

I can prove that flat earthers take verses out of context.

Heliocentric means the sun is the center of the universe. Geocentric means that the earth is the center of the universe.

People debate flat earth vs. globe earth, but what is not discussed is a geocentric globe earth. I keep my mind open to that possibility, as it seems to line with Scripture that says that the sun has stopped moving. It lines up with the stars spinning around the earth.

I don’t need luck, thanks! I’ve already proven the above, which tells me that the earth is not flat.

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finlay March 25, 2017 at 7:25 am

Thanks David,

I’m glad you think you have proven the Earth is not flat, but having found no real proof to support that conjecture on this website, I must conclude you do not understand what proof actually means. Nonetheless, you are just as entitled to your beliefs as I am to mine. At one time, I too thought the Earth was a globe. As I investigated further, it became increasingly apparent that all was not as we have been led to believe, but was in fact a huge deception carefully designed to continue enslaving humanity in the chains of ignorance and godlessness. Exactly as outlined in Scripture and evidenced by seeing the evil existing in the world today. Thou shalt not kill falls on many deaf ears.

Heliocentric theory excludes God. Geocentric theory puts God on top. The choice is yours.

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David March 25, 2017 at 1:43 pm

I’ve already said that I’m open to the globe Earth being geocentric, so why do you try to manipulate the conversation with a false dichotomy between heliocentric and geocentric?

Besides that, heliocentric does not exclude God, as the perfect design points to a creator. Earth is the perfect distance from the sun. The moon is the perfect distance from the Earth. The tilted angle to the Sun on the ecliptic path gives us the seasons. Etc, etc, etc.

Flat earthers say that the ‘circle‘ in Isaiah 40:22 is declaring a flat circle earth.

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.

And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19

He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the heavenly circle, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.

Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21

Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32

The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.

We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the celestial sphere (circle) of the stars of the Mazzoroth.

Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26

“He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4

So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.

The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”

Finlay, you’ve done nothing to convince me that the earth is flat. You haven’t overcome any of the proofs that I’ve cited. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Enjoy your flat Earth 🙂

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finlay March 25, 2017 at 4:27 pm

David, I also agree we disagree, but so be it.

My parting words about this subject are simple. Look around and understand globalists worship their false god and idol, money. Most Flat earthers see through this deception and give praise to the one true God who created all. When Satan tempted Jesus on the high mountain, they could see all earth laid out before them to the four corners. Genesis explains how it all was created. That’s good enough for me.

Enjoy your globe.

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David March 25, 2017 at 10:29 pm

Once again your association is false. Globalists are not out there promoting the globe earth, they have an international perspective, instead of a national one. And yes, many of them are doing it to get rich.

But it’s not like all people who believe in the globe earth are worshiping false gods and money; or promoting the globalist agenda. It’s illogical statements like that which reveal how programmed flat earthers are. You manipulate what the word globalist means, to push your agenda.

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finlay March 25, 2017 at 11:52 pm

David, any one who believes the Earth to be a globe has no actual proof, and just regurgitates the same old arguments along with phony pictures from space, mathematical theories and the like, all supposed to convince those who question their deception. That deception is part of the globalist agenda to rule this world.

My only agenda is opening up closed minds in the hope that some new thoughts might be considered and knowledge gained. As you promote the globe model, yet refuse to debate my simple question with regard to airline flight times (because you say this website is not about a spinning globe), I must seek explanation elsewhere.

Peace and Love to all.

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David March 28, 2017 at 4:33 pm

Sorry, but I have proof. Using the curvature formula, one only has to enter the estimated height of the viewer, and it calculates how far away the horizon line will appear. And sure enough, when you look at the pictures that flat earthers post of the horizon, the distance matches that of the curved Earth formula.

All you have to do is use that formula to mimic a planet that is so big that the flat top is larger than the supposed flat earth. Then enter your viewer height, and it says that you should be able to see much further on a flat earth.

But we do not see that far, even with a telescope, which proves that the Earth is curved.

The whole flat earth horizon line explanation is bogus. With a telescope we should be able to see much further, but we can’t.

Your agenda is to promote the flat earth, and you seem to refuse to consider even one point that I have made on the website.

Go thy way and enjoy thy flat earth!

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finlay March 27, 2017 at 10:43 pm

Well David, as you seem to have “moderated” (decided not to post my response to your message March 25 at 10:29 pm) it is obviously a waste of my time debating flat earth vs. globe on your misleading website. Farewell.

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David March 28, 2017 at 12:43 am

Yes Finlay, it is a waste of time for you to debate the flat earth vs. globe earth on this website. I’ve done my research, you’re not going to change my mind. And it’s obvious that you are not going to change your mind. I thought we had agreed to disagree.

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Michelle April 1, 2017 at 3:29 am

Finlay,
I have a relative who is an airline pilot. He says that the atmosphere we fly in is part of the rotating earth. So those videos that show planes shouldn’t be able to land on a runway on a rotating earth are mistaken. If something falls out of the empire state building, it’s going to land directly below, even though the earth is spinning. Because the atmosphere is part of the spinning earth. I probably didn’t describe this scientifically, but I take the pilot’s word for it. So flying east to west or west to east really doesn’t make a difference. We have winds because the earth is spinning. The weather channel shows satellite pictures and warned people in Va and NC of tornadoes today. How did they get that information? Do satellites float above the flat earth mysteriously? I believe in God, and either way, whether it’s a globe or flat, He is the Creator, and is glorified in His creation. The language of the Bible is often poetic, and we must apply Audience Relevance to the text. WHO were the people being addressed at the time it was written? When the devil took Jesus high up and showed him the kingdoms of the world, the “world” at that time was Palestine. The Gospel was preached to the “whole world” in the 1st Century! (Col 1:23, Rom 16:25-26). I am a Truth seeker, and Jesus declared to the “the Truth.” As we seek Him, we will find, but we will never know everything. This life is a never ending journey of learning and UNlearning. We all want truth, and it’s odd how we can disagree so often on exactly what that is. I wish it weren’t so. But I do feel distress at the ‘flat earth’ idea, and it doesn’t resonate with me. I’ve researched it quite a bit, and even though I see some points that make you think, I can’t understand why flat earthers don’t see the earth’s curved shadow cast on the moon during a lunar eclipse, or the fact that the star rotation is counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere, but clockwise in the southern. There are dark days and white nights in both north and south poles, right? I think so, correct me if I’m wrong. How could that work on the FE map? The moon has craters… and the Milky Way looks like the arm of a galaxy. God is not the author of confusion. I’m going to an Astronomy Club party this weekend, and I’m going to ask someone to point their telescope to something 3,000 miles away. (If they can, this is just an idea). Then I will point directly at the moon and see if it’s staring me in the face, or still a good distance away. (Also, if it’s 30-some miles across, how can we even see it 3,000 miles away?) Anyway, David! Thank you for the information here, and I truly hope that we can separate truth from fiction soon, because this seems like a carefully planned, really strange distraction to me, and I pray for all those who are distressed by it.

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David April 1, 2017 at 3:38 am

Thank you for sharing your insight Michelle, you make some great points! There are so many amateur astronomers, who take pictures of the planets, that it’s impossible that all of them are part of some grand conspiracy. Enjoy your Astronomy Club party!

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Ken April 1, 2017 at 2:52 pm

Hmmm,
Hi David,

We have different ideas of what proof means. I see no proof in what you present. The map you claim people use has been rejected by many people who believe in a flat Earth.

I like facts. Things like “see the shadow of the earth on the moon” are definitely NOT facts. So we need to eliminate those from this proof we seek.

I have an experiment you can do right at your computer to prove once and for all the shape of the earth. Are you going to accept my challenge? You need access to an AutoCAD type program to plot angles lines and circles. And you need a computer, and the internet.

Do you have access to a computer and the internet?

You should have seen the look on your face.

When you are ready, let me know. I have not done this yet, so I do not know what the outcome will be.

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David April 1, 2017 at 3:33 pm

Hmmm Ken, I see people on Facebook and YouTube use that supposed flat earth map every day, so my ‘claim’ is not wrong.

“The moon craters have shadows which directly correspond to the position of the sun and moon, proving that the moon is not flat, and proving once again that the Sun illuminates the moon.”

That is factual.

Why would you setup a challenge with me when you supposedly don’t know the outcome?

No thanks! Like most flat earthers, you’re convinced of what your convinced about, and you can’t even see the proofs on this website. You deny that flat earthers even use the north-polar azimuthal equidistant project of the globe earth, in their explanations. And you can’t see that earthers apply the curvature formula to the wrong line. -_-

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Frank April 2, 2017 at 7:48 pm

Hi David. As a ‘Glober’ I was glad I stumbled upon your site. Nice read for sure. I did notice, however, that the Flat Earth model does work perfectly inside of the game Minecraft…and that’s about it. I bought it for my daughter a couple of months ago and was surprised to find it mildly entertaining. When my flat earther friends dismiss NASA, any Government, accurate scientific experiments, and the Obvious…I have to remind myself that they are totally into their ‘Make Believe’ world and not ready to put any real effort into finding out what really is out there. Lazy online ‘research’ is about it. My wife and I will be visiting her family in the Philippines for the 3rd time next year. Your model of the moon phase is confirmed both here in the USA where I live and all the way over there, where by the way they are exactly 12 hours ahead of my usual Eastern Standard Time. We travel into the future on the way there and back to the present on the way back – from a time zone point of view.

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David April 3, 2017 at 12:43 am

Thanks for sharing your insight Frank. That’s interesting about the game Minecraft. The enemy is slick, and they do a lot of things to give flat earthers supposed proofs, that the flat earth is a big .gov secret.

I read this today from some debunking the flat earth, “Implausibly mammoth conspiracy requiring involvement of over 50 space agencies around the world, and every news agency, all telecommunications companies, and shipping companies, and universities, and millions of dedicated professional physicists, engineers, meteorologists, pilots, navigators, oceanographers, cartographers, are all lying, bribed or threatened into participating in a global super conspiracy of the last century, along with their families, without any clear motive, and without a single leak or whistle blower, not one single, deathbed confession or drunken admission ever.”

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Frank April 3, 2017 at 5:19 am

I read something similar as well. Fast forwarding to the end of every argument or discussion I’ve had, I like to point out that the government is already in control and exposing any lies they put out doesn’t seem to matter to the majority of the world’s population. Exposing the NASA ‘lies’ with make believe comes down to them offering up a flat earther altar call seeded with emotional pleas that ultimately collapse under their own weight and non-evidence that cannot be falsified. What would it take for you to change your mind if you just might happen to be wrong…(insert make believe impossibility here). If a flat earther ponied up the money to launch a rocket up high enough to kiss their 32 mile wide moon and prove once and for all their side of the story…well, they would still be greeted by the same reality all of the ‘co-conspirators’ have witnessed and come to know as the spherical planet. Not round and flat like a quarter, but a real planet orbiting a real star. But then they would have to make better use of their time and start saving for retirement or doing grown up stuff that doesn’t include lighting off flame wars when somebody yawns at their words.

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David April 3, 2017 at 5:49 am

Yeah, sadly Frank, most people are oblivious to the many .gov deceptions. Just like flat earthers don’t trust NASA photos (and I’m not saying that they should), I don’t trust photos/videos from flat earthers.

When a flat earther posts a picture that they say proves the flat earth, I just estimate the height at which the picture was taken, relative to the horizon, plug the height into the earth curvature formula to get the projected horizon distance, and every time it matches the picture; which proves that the Earth is curved. Here’s the link to the curve formula. https://www.metabunk.org/curve/

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Torpex April 10, 2017 at 5:12 pm

I own a transit (old style)…I have, along the Atlantic Ocean (across Calm inlets), shot a line across the waters edge over 1/2 mile, checked by GPS. Transit was checked level, measurements to the water were checked and rechecked 3x to ensure identical heights to the water. No Curve noted. I really am looking for curve, so why didnt we find it. I have a surveyor friend I consulted for my methods, and he said I did exactly right and “should have measured at least 4 of curve”.
Its my understanding a canal, or a salt flat could easily be dug or naturally flat bottomed, which would make it a flat surface on a curved earth. That concept is easily proven. I really believe over 1/2 mile of ocean I should find water height differences.
Scratching my head on this..lol

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David April 13, 2017 at 2:31 am

So you shot a line a 1/2 mile and expected to measure a curve? Seriously?

Since I can’t duplicate what you did, I have no comment on why it didn’t work like you expected.

All you have to do is use the Earth curvature formula, enter the height at which you viewed the Horizon Line, and you will see that the horizon line distance matches what the formula says; proving that the Earth is curved; proving that the Horizon Line is created by the bulge of the Earth. https://www.metabunk.org/curve/

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Torpex April 13, 2017 at 3:01 am

David, the curve formula is accurate to within a 1/4″.lol seriusly? You didn’t know that? If curve is present, under perfect conditions curve can be measured to within .030. Since you say you doubt any videos from “flat earthers” does that mean you bias anyone or anything you dont understand? lol

Your answer only shows you dont understand a transit..lol The transit views in a perfectly straight horizontal line from one point. From that point you can project/view/measure an identical point to a distant target, including elevation!
So as my transit point was exactly at 71″ above the oceans waterline at point A and my target “stick” was at point B 1/2 mile away, my crosshairs should have been hitting the stick at a (any) measurement above 71, but it landed right on 71. This is telling me and my surveyor friend that there isnt any curve.
Believe me we double checked 3x after that and checked and rechecked and we should have gotten something but didnt the water was at the exact same height and thats wrong. Well…wrong for a globe..ugh

matt April 7, 2017 at 10:26 am

One of your examples make sence. You say the sun should get smaller but your leaving out it dosnt go striaght its moving in circles. So no it wont gt smaller it will do what it does there is no way we live on. Ball

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David April 7, 2017 at 2:35 pm

I’m not understanding your point Matt. The Sun should grow smaller until it disappears over the horizon. I’m merely sharing what I see every sunset, that the sun stays the same size, and that the bottom of it disappears under the horizon. But on the flat earth, it should never go below the horizon, it should just grow smaller as it moves away in the circular pattern, and then disappear at the vanishing point.

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Nick Mattei April 7, 2017 at 3:20 pm

David,
I have been researching flat earth and I appreciate your website. My problem is this. It seems that both flat earth and globe earth models have holes in their explanations. This is to be honest very confusing and frustrating. You make some interesting points here and I appreciate that but what are your thoughts on some of the things that a spinning ball earth can’t explain like how when you view a time lapse video of star trials, the North Polaris star stays stationary and a all the other stars make a perfect circle around it? If we are on a globe that tilts back and forth on its access how is that possible? I have been very unsettled by all this as I desire to know the truth. I am Christian and I would hate to dishonor my Lord by supporting and believing something false. I apologize on my long post, I would love to hear your thoughts.

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David April 7, 2017 at 4:12 pm

Nick, I’m open to the earth being geocentric, which would explain the circling star trails and North Star staying in the same place.

Since most people believe that the sun is stationary, they say that the Earth is tilted in it’s orientation to the Sun. Through the seasons, the sun strikes the Earth at different points, moving from the Tropic of Cancer to the Tropic of Capricorn.

The stars which encircle the Earth stay in the same orientation, which is why the North Stay doesn’t move out of place.

I hope that helps. Goodness knows there are more scientifically-minded people who can explain it better. Most of my proofs are logic proofs, that we can see with our eyes.

Keep learning and growing!
David

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Joshua Carey April 9, 2017 at 7:15 pm

The earth is flat and motionless, Do you really think Yahuah wants you living in a gray area ? Our senses and the Bible both confirm it, choose today who you will serve. Praise his name and his creation only. ❤Joshua

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David April 9, 2017 at 11:45 pm

A gray area Joshua? I’m not understanding what you mean by that.

The bulge of the curved Earth creates the horizon line that you see. All you have to do is plug in the viewer height into the curvature formula https://www.metabunk.org/curve/ and the projected horizon line on the formula will match up with your picture; proving that the Earth is curved.

I do praise His name and His creation! David

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Torpex April 10, 2017 at 2:13 pm

GOAL= Get outside and look. )) Step away from the Computer, take some curvature formulas with you, buy a cheap rifle scope and go to the water. There are no curves ANYWHERE. I am still researching this FE..not defending either side only what I find. So far…FE- 5 ~ SE-0

Gyro’s are another interesting point. Had them in the US Navy…once started they hold solid and true! Artificial horizon on an airplane would force the plane into an ever increasing altitude on a SE, or the pilots would have to dip the nose slightly to compensate for the curve. Kinda hard to argue with this one..ugh.

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Torpex April 10, 2017 at 2:33 pm

Gravity is not simply what holds us down, it also must know the molecular density of each item, AND must overcome the centrifugal outward force of the spinning earth.
A simple experiment is to take a 3″ cube of wood (pine, fir, etc) and a 3″ cube of lead.
First Place the wood on a flat surface wheel, like a tire, and using scotch tape apply only the amount of tape necessary to “hold the wood to the wheel so you can slowly rotate the wheel and have the block stay put in a full rotation. Then spin the wheel under power and note what speed the wood flys off due to centrifugal force.
Repet with the lead cube, attempting to reach the same speed as the wood block. You will discover that the application of centrifugal force, or a spinning earth, denser, heavier items require more force to hold down.
Gravity is not just powerful, its really smart. 😉

BTW..Im not a FE believer (yet), just an investigator. )

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David April 11, 2017 at 3:25 pm

Look at the explanation Basic Geometry For Flat Earthers and you will see that the earth curvature formula is not saying that the drop would occur before the horizon line. It is declaring that the horizon line that you see, appears at the distance that the Earth curvature formula calculates, which proves that the Earth is curved.

As for planes, the curve of the earth is automatically compensated for, as the plane points towards the artificial horizon. A plane points down and loses altitude automatically. It has to pull up, to fight this downward pull, to maintain a certain elevation.

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Torpex April 13, 2017 at 3:10 am

Spoke to a Naval aviator friend of mine and you and I are both wrong..lol
What he explained to me resolves the gyro issue, but not automatically in a artificial horizion which is a seperate instrument and has no “automatic” adjusting feature. Auto pilot does automatically adjust for the following factors: Desired elevation, course, wind speed and drift in vertical and horizontal axis, and very critical: speed of the plane.
The faster a plane goes, the smaller the adjustment becomes for curve. So that resolves that, as I forgot speed x 100 = distance traveled in 3 min, basic TMA.lol

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Torpex April 11, 2017 at 2:20 pm

I completely get the Moon part and have to agree that the eclipse wont work with a flat earth. The Sun and moon need to be spheres in order to view from all angles, and something has to block the suns light from the moon, period.

So what if (trying to be practical, fair & objective here) the Sun and moon were outside the alleged dome? What if the dome wasn’t solid, but fluid or plasma, or some sort of divine goo that could be penetrated?
While the FE has some holes, IMHO so does NASA, and the Globe model. As a biblical Christian I am not sold on much unless its ordained by the Almighty. 😉

One of the geological facts to contend with is the evidence of an atmosphere change that took place at.during/after the flood. Oxygen concentrations in Earths atmosphere were significantly higher (verified in ice, sap/amber samples) and how that was accomplished remains a legitimate mystery.

Some of the craters here on earth can add mystery as well…Ice or meteor? lol

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David April 11, 2017 at 2:46 pm

This website counters the common explanations of the flat earth, and that includes the sun and moon inside the dome, and that the moon is a disc, and that the moon provides its own light.

As for NASA holes, I don’t rely on data or pictures from NASA on this website, as they can’t be trusted.

And I have eluded to the possibility that the globe earth is geocentric, which accounts for some of the explanations from flat earthers, about the north star not moving, and the stars circling it.

That said, people in three different countries in the Southern Hemisphere can look south and see the Southern Pole Star, and the stars circling it. These three people would have their backs to each other and be facing in opposite directions on the flat earth; and there is no possible way that they could all see the Southern Pole Star. That is only possible on the globe earth. The graphic of this is on the home page. http://flatearthdeception.com

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Daniel Deranleau April 12, 2017 at 11:44 pm

Please show me a globe Earth which is 71% covered by water, which is demonstrably, infallibly flat.
Show me a globe Earth that’s 29% spherical and 71% flat.
And if the sun was 93 million miles away and gigantic, virtually half of a globe Earth would be equally lit by sol.
If we were actually spinning in space, the motion would be detectable, however it is not.
So many more simple, logical methods to see that Earth is flat, please use your senses, and avoid overthinking it, as the author has done.
Most “proofs” of a spherical Earth are nothing but labored mathematics based on assumptions based on speculations.

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David April 13, 2017 at 12:43 am

Daniel, I don’t show pictures of the earth from outer space, because ya’ll dismiss them. So asking for those pictures is goofy.

This website provides logical proofs that we can see. I’m not over-thinking anything, unlike this flat earther who thinks that Mount Rushmore used to be a giant tree. http://flatearthdeception.com/flat-earthers-mount-rushmore-giant-tree/

I can see that the Sun and moon are at full size when they drop below the horizon, but on a flat earth they should decrease in size, into a small dot and then disappear at the vanishing point, above the horizon line.

I can see the direct relationship between the phases of the moon, and how close the sun and moon are to each other in the sky. Flat earthers say that the moon illuminates itself, but can’t explain how.

I can see that the orbits of the sun and moon are not always opposite of each other, and that they are out of sync, so they would run into each other.

I can see that the sun is blocked during a solar eclipse, but flat earthers have no explanation.

I can see ya’ll don’t even know how to properly apply the Earth curvature formula, as you apply it to the wrong line.

I can see that ya’ll don’t have a working map, as the one you use is a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe earth.

And if you read the intro, you see that I’m open to the geocentric position. It’s interesting that the debate is always between the geocentric flat earth and the heliocentric globe Earth. But I think that is a false dichotomy, and that the answer may be the geocentric globe earth model.

David

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Daniel Deranleau April 13, 2017 at 6:14 am

David, I didn’t ask for photos of Earth from space. Even the providers of such images admit to their falsity.
You address me on a number of points which I didn’t raise. Unfortunately, you didn’t bother responding to the points I actually made.
I think you’re hung up on a globe model. Too bad. That deception is part and parcel of the big bang/evolution deception.
Part lie = All lie.

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David April 13, 2017 at 2:21 pm

Daniel, my journey WAS one of seeking truth, not a belief. Yes, the proofs on this Flat Earth Deception website show that I have come to the conclusion that the flat earth explanations don’t make sense. I shared proofs that I can see, that point to a curved Earth. I see the posts and comments of flat earthers on Facebook, and they are ‘hung up’ on their model, and aren’t looking for truth. But I am open to the geocentric position, unlike most people ya’ll call globeheads.

Oh, there’s a deception about the flat Earth alright. Truthers are being rejected by family and friends, because they are pushing the flat earth model; which effectively causes people not to listen to what they have to say about the many deceptions in this world.

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Torpex April 13, 2017 at 2:43 am

David Said: “This website counters the common explanations of the flat earth, and that includes the sun and moon inside the dome, and that the moon is a disc, and that the moon provides its own light.”

Hmmmm…so since my comments arent common they are ignored? lol Or perhaps you have no answer to counter them? If the experiment I detailed regarding gravity is ignored, but valid, why not be objective and look into it. After all, if earth is a globe surely you have an answer why when shooting a level straight line through a transit I cant find any curve, and I am looking for curve believing its there. The ocean is the single best place to find it too. LOL. Using a level transit avoids the problems you outlined, sadly now it brings a new problem to the surface.

So I will not tangle in any Derogatory terms such as the MSM conspiracy “theory”..such an abused term…lol

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David April 13, 2017 at 3:01 am

All of your comments have been approved, so I’m not sure what you think is missing.

I manage all of these websites, and I get a lot of comments, so I do the best that I can to reply to them.

The 70th Week Of Daniel Deception http://70thweekofdaniel.com

The Olivet Discourse Deception http://theolivetdiscourse.com

The Falling Away of 2 Thessalonians 2 http://christianitybeliefs.org/the-falling-away/

Come Out Of Her http://comeoutofher.org

Islam In Bible Prophecy http://christianitybeliefs.org/islam-in-bible-prophecy/

Revelation Timeline Decoded http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com

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Jarno April 19, 2017 at 9:08 am

Hi David,

Finally, finally, I find a website that answers some of my questions about Flat Earth. 🙂

None of the Flat Earthers would answer my questions about 24-hour summer days in Antarctica, and also existing flights you can book over Antarctica (Sydney-Santiago in 17 hrs, etc). That was a journey of many months.

I have some questions/comments if that’s okay.

1. A lot of people commented that planes have to “dip the nose down” to stay at a constant altitude (the auto-pilot does that, but still). I think that’s correct, but the question was how Artificial Horizons actually do this automatically. I think the AH should change 1 degree for every 77 miles. Have you got an explanation for this?
2. I always had the feeling the curvature formula would have to be wrongly applied if the world were round, thanks for explaining this.
3. NASA lies, but to what extent? Do you believe in the moon landing? Mars? Hubble?
4. In the FE model it’s always truth mixed with error. It is interesting you’re also considering the geocentric model. Maybe we are stationary after all?!?

I’ll go check out your other websites. Good to hear about your gift of discernment. How’d you know God had given it to you?

God bless,
Jarno

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David April 19, 2017 at 2:26 pm

Thank you for your comment Jarno! Yeah, whenever I’ve asked questions to flat earthers, they speculate about the answer or refer me to some video. But most of their explanations don’t make sense to me, and I can debunk many of them.

1. Flat earthers seem to think that an airplane travels in a straight line, so if the Earth is curved, the pilot has to point the nose down. But a plane’s natural tendency is to point down, so they have to use the controls to pull the nose up, to maintain altitude.

I’m not a pilot and my knowledge is limited on this topic, but to me the Artificial Horizon is telling the pilot that if they stay level on that gauge, then they will be pointing towards the distant horizon line of the Earth. All they have to do is maintain their altitude, and aim for the horizon; and the Earth’s curvature is automatically accounted for.

2. Yeah, the curve of the earth made sense when I understood how the curvature formula works. But most flat earthers don’t understand that the drop height is beyond their horizon line, so they cannot see the whole drop. And they are applying the formula to the Horizon Line not the Horizontal Line.

On pictures that give the height of the viewer, you can plug in that height to get the Horizon Line distance, and the picture shows that amount of distance; which confirms that the Earth is curved.

3. The moon landing is pretty hokey. The lunar vehicle and men would not fit in that small, junky-looking capsule. The shadows in the pictures are wrong. Etc, etc… So I don’t believe their story about the lunar landing.

The Hubble may be legit, not sure about the Mars probe.

4. I think that the enemy uses false dichotomies, to mislead people about the real truth. In this case all people debate about the flat geocentric Earth vs. the heliocentric globe Earth, but the geocentric Globe Earth model is ignored. It would explain many of the points that flat earthers make about the North Star staying in the same place, about flying through space, etc. And it would point to a Creator, as Earth is the center of the Universe, not some random planet.

I mainly focus on prophecy fulfillment, but the flat earth theory has taken hold with a lot of truthers, so I researched it.

To me, understanding prophecy fulfillment is more important than proving the flat earth, because I can show how most of Revelation has been fulfilled in exact detail; which proves that the Elohim of the Scriptures is the One True Elohim.
http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com

Keep learning and growing!
David

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Jarno April 20, 2017 at 4:42 am

Hi David,

Thanks for your comments.

I love the idea of Earth as the center of the universe. That would make a lot of sense in many ways. Thanks for mentioning it.

Those prophecies will fulfill soon. This is definitely the season.

God bless,
Jarno

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Icaller1915 April 20, 2017 at 6:45 pm

The real truth is that the Earth is not flat, never was, never will be. It is a spinning ball shaped globe, which is known as a planet that is 93,000,000 miles away from the sun. On the flat earth model, lunar eclipses are completely impossible. The moon is proving that the Earth is not flat by showing curved shadows and lunar eclipses can only happen on the globe Earth, but flat earthers still don’t seem to see the reality that is standing right in front of them. There is so much power undeniable evidence supporting the globe Earth standing everywhere around them, but they are still completely brain dead and mentally ill.

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Isaac April 24, 2017 at 3:45 pm

Hello there, truth seeker here! I just found your site and I’ve been skimming a few of the articles and comments. Anyways, at the moment I am not entirely certain on whether the earth is flat or round, but I do see that people are getting VERY opinionated on both sides. I believe that someone can be a Christian and also believe the wrong thing about the shape of the earth, but anyone who claims to be a Christian should also be intent upon seeking truth and being humble about the unknown. Anyways, one thing which I think deserves some attention is the distinction between reality, observation, and explanation. Reality is fixed, absolute truth which is not altered by any observation or explanation. Observation is made by imperfect humans by experiencing reality with their senses. And explanations are mere guesses made through applying human (and therefore imperfect) reasoning to observations of reality. Whenever people talk about “science,” they are talking about explanations which are generally agreed upon, but something being “scientific” does not inherently make it true. Evolution is taught by mainstream science, but is not at all supported by evidence or the Bible (which I consider to be ultimate truth). I am more worried about whether something is true than I am about whether something is scientific. As an example, Revelation teaches that Jesus will descend from Heaven and will be seen by the entire world. You can explain this by saying that the earth is flat, or by saying that Jesus will take some sort of orbital path, or by saying that the light will miraculously bend making impossibly lines of sight possible, or by using some other explanation. No matter your explanation, you can’t change what the Bible says. As people of truth, we should seek to conform our explanations to be as consistent with reality as possible. No theory can perfectly encapsulate all the various workings of the universe, and so there will always be gaps, holes, and other inconsistencies. Honesty demands that we investigate all things and be open with our shortcomings.

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David April 24, 2017 at 4:08 pm

Hello Isaac 🙂 Thank you for sharing your insight, you made some great points!

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Sam April 30, 2017 at 6:33 pm

Issac, There are many things we believe that we cannot see. You can’t see the air but you can see the effect of the wind blowing.
When all the earth see Jesus descend from heaven, even if the earth were flat Jesus would have to be quite large to see him at such a great distance. It’s impossible to define many things in the spiritual realm by human understanding. No one saw Jesus actually resurrected and no one knows how it was done, yet there were thousands of witnesses who saw him later.
If you think the earth may be flat, how can a plane fly in one direction and end up where it started? Why doesn’t the atmosphere just fly off into space (especially near the edge)? Why are all the other planets round? Why do people in different parts of the earth see different star patterns? Why are there different times zones (i.e. How can it be daylight in one place and dark in another)? Why is the horizon over the ocean curved across your field of view? How do satellites orbit the earth?
What’s on the other side of a flat earth? If the earth were flat gravity would act at an angle as you got near the edge, but it doesn’t. (gravity is directed towards the center of mass.) If you were to climb over the supposed antarctic ice wall, what would stop you from falling off the other side into space? Have you ever seen pictures of the other side of the earth? What shape is a flat earth? A triangle, a trapezoid, a rectangle? Most say round but how do they even know that?
OK, enough questions and only one answer that fits.

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James April 27, 2017 at 11:11 pm

Thank you for all your work David

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Jesse Kozlowski April 27, 2017 at 11:20 pm

David,
I just found your site via a link someone shared on Facebook. I am dropping yo a quick line to say hello and to congratulate you on this extremely thorough and well organized compilation of information. I’m even honored to see a little bit of my stuff that made it in there. I’ll be sharing your site.

Jesse Kozlowski, Surveyor
YouTube Channel = Jesse Kozlowski
Facebook Group = Flat Earth Curiosity

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David April 28, 2017 at 1:39 am

Hey Jesse, thanks for commenting. Yeah, the geodetic information really makes sense to me. I just requested to joined your FB group.

My approach is one of logic, based on what we can see. Let me know if you have any additional input.

Thanks,
David

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StevenBruce April 29, 2017 at 9:48 am

interesting but polite nonsense that doesn’t prove anything. We are on a flat stationary Earth, get used to it in Your head, the rest of you already knows this! OmPeaceOm

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David April 29, 2017 at 3:44 pm

Another empty statement from a flat earther, that proves nothing! Let me know when ya’ll get a real map, that has been measured and validated. Let me know when you get a picture of the dome. Let me know when you get a picture of the edge of the flat earth. Let me know when the sun rises due East in Australia, on the Spring and Fall Solstices. I could go on and on, but you get the point.

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Mario April 29, 2017 at 3:39 pm

Why does no one ever use foucaults pendulum as proof for the globe? It’s a simple physics experiment that would not work on flat earth.

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David April 29, 2017 at 3:50 pm

Mario, maybe someone has done that on YouTube, I’ll take a look.

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Rory April 29, 2017 at 10:13 pm

It’s funny ,they give us the maths to work out the earths curviture ,but when you put it into practice in the real world it do not work ,60 miles across water over 1400 ft drop ,yet I can see land across that 1400?ft drop ,Argo flat no curve ,repeatable ,observable ,testable ,real science ,proves flat ,water allways flat in a contained environment ,sea level ,not sea curvature ,

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David April 29, 2017 at 11:13 pm

Rory, Just posting these numbers proves nothing! How about giving real information. Which is the location of where you are standing? Are you on the shore? What land can you see across the water?

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Sam April 30, 2017 at 5:32 pm

This site has the most info to refute a flat earth I have yet seen!
I have debated the flat-earthers several times using similar arguments to those listed above. At least the ones I think they can understand or see with their own eyes. Some of these people are outright hostile and some just have no understanding of what’s in front of them. Some of them think the earth is stationary. I’ve asked some of them how thick a flat earth is but have never gotten an answer. I’ve asked some of them how can you fly a plane in a straight line and end up where you started. No answers. I’ve asked some seemingly intelligent people how come gravity acts as a straight down force no matter where you are. No answers.
I can only think the god of this world has so blinded their minds that they believe a lie. One wonders what else they might believe.

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David April 30, 2017 at 6:17 pm

Thank you for your comment Sam! I’m not really scientifically-minded, so the Spirit has shown me logical proofs which we can see. I created the website because so many of my Facebook friends were falling for the flat earth PSYOP. As I find more simple, logical proofs, I keep adding them to the website. Keep teaching truth brother!

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David April 13, 2017 at 3:12 am

So you’re not capable of discussion, but now have a mocking attitude; which is hypocritical, because you just complained about how I treat flat earthers.

And you seem to not be genuine, because you claimed to be searching for truth, but it’s obvious that you’re a flat earther.

I’m done with this conversation. I will not comment on your posts anymore. Go mock somewhere else.

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Torpex April 13, 2017 at 2:09 pm

I have to agree with you David about the Sun and the Moon. There is no way on a flat earth we would see what we do, it just doesnt work, and as you stated the would need to shrink in size, and they dont.

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Torpex April 13, 2017 at 2:19 pm

I am not mocking you, just pointing out the very obvious, just like Jesus pointed out that the Pharisisies were sons of the devil. ))
Hmm…calling me a “flatearther” ?? LOL …fascinating..is that because you cant debunk my “gravity” experiment? I used a Transit which has nothing to do wit height of eye, yet you answer with the cut and paste height of eye….Look you get beat up pretty badly as I read, and your ALWAYS on the definsive so I get it. Your burning out and becoming extremely bias and honestly…somewhat blinded.
Maybe you need a break…I also suggest getting out and doing some REAL research.

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