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Question for flat earthers:  What is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes its path, to move from the larger circle of the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 mile circumference) to the much smaller circle of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 mile circumference)?

Question for flat earthers:  The winter solstice was on 12/21, so the sun is circling near the Tropic of Capricorn. What is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes its path, to move from the larger circle of the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 mile circumference) to the much smaller circle of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 mile circumference)?

And what is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes speed from 1,322 MPH on the larger circle to 771 MPH on the smaller circle, to complete exactly one revolution per day?
Please comment below.  Thank you!

After a lot of research, I believe that the enemy has created a deception regarding the design of the universe.

The Illuminati card game has a Flat Earth card that says “People laugh, but the flat earthers know something”.

What flat earthers know is that the earth isn’t spinning, and it’s not flying through space orbiting the sun.  Astronomers and scientists have not proved that the Earth is moving.

And from our Earthly perspective, the planets and stars appear the same regardless of whether it’s the Copernican heliocentric view or the Tychonic geocentric view.

The deception is that the enemy has caused people to promote the heliocentric view based on philosophy, to not involve a Creator in the explanation of the design of the universe.

And that led to the big bang theory, the theory of evolution, etc.; all of which steals glory from our Creator, and deceives people.

It wasn’t until scientific probes produced data about the radiation of the expanding universe, and the orientation of the quasars and radio galaxies; that researches were able to see that all of those things were pointing back to Earth as the center of the universe.

These findings were published in a book titled ‘Geocentrism 101 – An Introduction into the  Science of  Geocentric Cosmology‘ in 2013, and then explained in a movie called The Principle in late 2014.

Then shortly afterward the flat earth theory was aggressively pushed on YouTube and Facebook, to try to cover over the evidence, and to cause people to dismiss anyone who teaches that the Earth is geocentric.

The enemy has created a false dichotomy, so that the debate is between the geocentric flat earth vs. the heliocentric globe earth; so that people don’t consider the third option, that of the geocentric globe earth.

It puts the Earth at the center of the universe, proving a Designer/Creator, and explains why stars perfectly circle the Earth; while maintaining the laws of physics of the globe earth and the surrounding elaborate universe, which is a precision time-piece.

Please read the geocentric Earth page, to see the scientific research that proves that we are at the center of the universe.

If you’re a flat-earther, you can decide to click away, thinking that you know the truth; but I would hope that your goal is to find the whole truth, not to defend a position.

People like Nathan Roberts and Rob Skiba point to Bible verses which they proclaim prove that the earth is flat; but the truth about the firmament of Genesis 1, and the circle of Isaiah 40:20, proves that their explanations are flawed.

Please read this Biblical Proofs Of The Geocentric Globe Earth study and decide for yourself.

Ecclesiastes 1:6 is saying that the wind goes south and then turns north in a continual circuit (circle) around the earth.  That only seems plausible with a globe earth.

Flat Earth Debunked Ecclesiastes 1:6

Why would the enemy create the flat earth deception?

Because most flat earthers are sharing truth in other areas, whether it’s about coming out of churchianity, about the Illuminati and their agenda, etc.; so by getting them to believe in the flat earth, they cause family and friends to stop listening to all that they teach.

On this page I will address the major challenges that I’ve found with the flat earth theory, which are explained in more detail on the other pages.

Here’s a video from the Geographic South Pole, looking straight up, which proves that the earth is not flat. 

We can see the perfect circle of stars which is only possible on the globe earth, as no point on the supposed ice ring would show the stars circling overhead.

Here’s a video of a 5-day time-lapse from March 8-13, 2017, taken from the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station, which proves that the earth is not flat.

Airplane Video Proves Sun Is Not 3,000 Miles Above The Flat Earth

This observation is impossible on a Flat Earth with a Sun 3000 Miles above.  We can clearly see the Sun on the Horizon from 43,000 ft. The clouds beneath us are illuminated from below but are dark on top.

This geometry is impossible on a Flat Earth.  Of course – it works just fine on a Globe.

The Nikon P900 camera debunks the flat earth.

This video shows one ship that is moored near the horizon line, and the distant ship behind it which is well below the horizon; proving the curvature of the earth.

Some flat earthers commented that you should see the distant ship ’tilting’ if the Earth is curved, but the distance equates to only .23 degrees of tilt, which is not perceivable.

Sorry Flat Earthers The Equinox Geometry does NOT work on a Flat Earth.

The Flat Earth fails to explain the real observations we can make on the Equinox twice per year.

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A commercial pilot who is based out of Australia, who makes international flights in the southern hemisphere, shows that flat earthers cannot produce a legitimate pilots flight plan.

The video description says: A message to Flat Earthers. If you can’t show me a map that works and you can’t tell me how to navigate precisely around the real Earth you are wasting your time telling me the Earth is Flat. I can and do navigate precisely around the real Earth and I have been doing this safely for over 30 years using the Globe. Time to start producing real results guys. The same old nonsense arguments won’t cut it here any longer.

Flat earthers misrepresent the size of the sun, to proclaim that it gets smaller as it sets.

Flat earthers misrepresent the size of the sun, proclaiming that it is shrinking

Here’s one of Wolfie6020‘s short videos where he used two cameras to record at the same time, one with a solar filter, one without.

Flat earthers tell us to trust our perspective, but when we do that, we see that the sun and moon do not line up with the flat earth theory.

Flat earthers proclaim that the moon is a flat disc, but that simply cannot be true.

This is so easily disproved, that it’s nonsensical for flat earthers to proclaim it.

Flat earthers proclaim that the moon is a flat disc, but that simply cannot be true.

The shadows on the moon prove that it is being illuminated from an external light source.

The sun obviously illuminates the moon, which is contrary to what flat earthers proclaim

Flat earthers cite Genesis 1:16 and say the the world ‘light‘ means that the moon is self-illuminated.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”

The Hebrew word for ‘light’ points to a luminous body. It does not say that it provides its own illumination.

ma’owr; properly, a luminous body or luminary, i.e. (abstractly) light (as an element): figuratively, brightness, i.e.cheerfulness; specifically, a chandelier:—bright, light.

Of course they have no way to scientifically explain how the moon illuminates itself, like we do for the Sun.

And they cannot explain how the moon changes its illumination so that we see crescent moons and half moons.

It’s impossible for people on the flat earth model to see the same side of the moon.

People in northern and southern hemispheres would see different sides of the flat earth moon

We would see different sides of the moon, on the flat earth model.

The moon can't work properly on the flat earth

The sun and moon do not vanish as a small dot over the horizon; but rather, they rise up from under the horizon and set below the horizon.

On the flat earth, objects that are moving away would simply grow smaller and disappear at the vanishing point, but they would always stay above the horizon.

But every day we see the Sun rise up from under the horizon, and set down below the horizon.

The rising moon proves the globe earth, not the flat earth

The setting sun proves the globe earth not the flat earth

It’s impossible for the sun to rise due East and set due West on the Equinox days.

The sun cannot work properly on the flat earth model.

The sun does not rise and set at the proper locations on the flat earth model.

Australia sun rises due East and sets due West on equinox, disproving flat earth theory

The paths of the 2017 and 2024 solar eclipses across the United States are impossible to explain on the flat earth model.

There is no scientific explanation for the solar eclipse on the flat earth model, and we can clearly see that the path of the eclipse across the United States, cannot match up with the circular path of the flat earth sun.

Here are the 2017 and 2024 eclipse paths overlaid on what people are calling a flat earth map. There is no way to explain how an eclipsed sun, which is circling south of the United States; could create shadows on the United States that curve in the opposite direction.

How do flat earthers scientifically predict upcoming solar and lunar eclipses?

They don’t! There is no scientific data which shows what causes the eclipses (many flat earthers say that the moon doesn’t cause the solar eclipse), and when they will happen.

The Spring and Fall Equinox is a great time to prove whether the earth is flat or a globe.

Geodetic surveying shows that angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that Earth is curved.  This is called ‘spherical excess’. 

Flat earthers push aside 100’s of years worth of measurements that have been recorded by geodesic surveyors all over the earth.

These surveyors have painstakingly taken measurements from point to point, and using geometry and triangulation, have determined the size of continents, and the shape of the earth.

Triangulation on a flat earth would yield 180 degree sums, but surveyors have found that the sums are greater than 180 degrees, which proves the arc of the earth.  Read Geodesy Proof Of The Flat Earth Deception.

Geodetic surveying reveals that the angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that the Earth is curved. This is called ‘spherical excess’. If the Earth was flat, the angles would add up to 180 degrees.

One of the biggest perspective problems is that flat earthers are applying the 8″ per mile squared earth curvature formula to wrong line.

The 8″ per mile squared calculation does not measure the curvature of the line of sight, your horizon line; it extends far beyond what you can see.

8 inch per mile squared formula for curved globe earth

One of the biggest perspective problems is that flat earthers are applying the 8" per mile earth curvature formula to wrong line.

Let’s apply this to a picture to see the difference between the level line and the horizon line.

Let's apply this to a picture to see the difference between the level line and the horizon line.

Here is the Earth’s Curve Horizon, Bulge, Drop, and Hidden Calculator, which people use to try to prove that the earth isn’t curved.  This is the default setting of the globe earth with a radius of 3,959 miles, which shows that if your view height is 6 feet, then your horizon line is 3 miles away.  And that’s pretty much what we see in real life.

Curved Earth Pythagorean theorem Formula

Most photos from flat earthers are taken from an elevated position, which extends the horizon line; so just plug the estimated height of the elevated position into the Metabunk Earth’s Curve Formula, and you will see that the horizon line matches up; proving the curved Earth.

Curved Earth Pythagorean theorem Formula viewer height

In the below calculation I used the Advanced option to add 7 zeroes after the planet radius, to mimic a planet that is so big that the flat top is bigger than the supposed flat earth.

And it shows that if your view height is 6 feet, your horizon line is 9,482 miles away.

Curved Earth Pythagorean theorem Formula flat

Now of course your eyes can’t see that far, but a good telescope would be able to see across the flat plain to be able to see that far.

The point is that if the earth really were flat, then you would be able to see much, much further than 3 miles.

Californians should be able to see Hawaii with a telescope, or Mt. McKinley, which is 20,000 feet high.  From atop of Pike Peaks, which is 14,000 feet high, I should be able to use a powerful telescope to see all of America.

But the reason that we can only see to the horizon line is because the earth is curved; you are seeing the bulge of the Earth.

Here is a more technical explanation of the Earth curvature formula, to see how it is being misapplied by flat earthers.

Here is a more technical explanation of the Earth curvature formula, to see how it is being misapplied by flat earthers.

There are a lot of explanations on this website which counter the flat earth explanations, but first let’s set the record straight about the map that most flat-earthers are using.

The map that flat-earthers use actually represents the globe earth!

Before computers, mapping out airplane flight routes was a challenge, as they had to use a globe, or images of the northern and southern hemispheres, like these.

Azimuthal equidistant map globes

To resolve this problem they created the azimuthal equidistant map, which allowed them to see all of the continents on one 2D map.

In order to do this, the bottom half of the globe earth had to be flared out into the outer circles. On the north-polar azimuthal projection map the northern hemisphere is shown in the inner circle, and the southern hemisphere is shown in the flared out circle that surrounds it.

The north-polar equidistant projectionmap is not a flat earth map!

These maps can be centered from anywhere.  If you were planning flights from London, you would center it on London.

North-polar azimuthal projection maps were used during times of war, and the polar route is the shortest distance between countries.

Rendering a globe earth onto a 2D image always cause some distortion.

On the azimuthal projection map, the further away the land mass is from the center point, the greater the distortion.  This is why Australia looks so wide, as it’s been stretched.

Since the continent of Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way to graphically represent it on the north-polar azimuthal projection map is by turning it inside out, and spreading it out as a white ring on the outside edge.

The South Pole is graphically represented by the outside line of the map.

You can see that the white ring has several bays that match up to the Ross Sea, which is close to New Zealand; and Weddell Sea, which is close to South America.

Below is a south-polar azimuthal equidistant projection map.  You can see that Antarctica and Australia are now normal size, as they are close to the center point; but North America and Euro-Russia are very distorted.  And you can see that the outside edge is blue, because opposite of the South Pole is water on the North Pole.

Antartica south pole azimuthal map proces the flat earth theory is false

Here is a equidistant projection map that is centered on Santiago, Chile.  North and South America are normal size, as is Antarctica, since they are close to the center point; but Euro-Russia is greatly distorted, so much so that it is graphically rendered as a ring around the outside edge (just like the north-polar map).

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You can make your own azimuthal equidistant projection maps on this website. You just need to enter the location; such as 90N,0W for the north pole; and 90S, 0W for the south pole.

Here is a Hammond’s north-polar equidistant map for airplane travel, which is the same map that flat earthers use.

It has both sides of the globe represented, which are declaring that it is a projection of the globe earth onto a 2D map. You can clearly see the continent of Antarctica on the bottom of the globes in white.

Hammond's globe map is not a flat earth map

This close-up shows you that the globe declares the continent of Antarctica and the South Pole; and then again on the projection map.  It is declaring that the outside line is the South Pole.  It’s clearly telling you that the continent of Antarctica on the globe earth is represented as the white ring on the projection map.

Hammond's map declares that the ice ring is the continent of Antarctica

On the bottom left of the map is a guide to the distances between meridian (N-S) lines. The distance increases up to the equator, and then decrease at the same rate to the South Pole.  It’s declaring that though on the projection map it appears that the distances are become greater (because the southern hemisphere is flared out so that you can see it on a 2D projection map), that in fact they are getting smaller because the earth is globe-shaped.

Hammonds globe projection map meridian line distances prove that it is not a flat earth map

This Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe.

Notice that it doesn’t have an ice wall!  That is because they didn’t include the continent of Antarctica, because it is so greatly distorted.

azimuthal equidistant projection map is not a flat earth map

Here is the call out box on the top right:

This Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe.

It says “Since it is impossible to spread the surface of a globe on a flat surface without distortion, all maps are distorted in some respects.  In this map the distortion occurs in the east and west distances.  This distortion increases gradually from the North Pole to the Equator, and then quite rapidly to the outer limits.  The distortion of the Antarctic areas would be so great that these are not shown.”

So they didn’t even include the supposed ‘ice wall’, because it’s not an ice wall; it’s the continent of Antarctica, which is greatly distorted by the algorithm used to make the projection map.  Since Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way for the program to render it was to stretch it out as a circle.  The outer circle is the South Pole.   The continent has been inverted.

To prove that the supposed ice wall is really the distorted and inverted continent of Antarctica, here is an image that has the outer white ring and the continent of Antarctica.

The image keeps the land mass around the outside edge, and has the continent of Antarctica in the middle, as that is what is on the bottom of the globe.  The land mass is exaggerated, as the outside ring representation is exaggerated.  The continent is inverted to match the inverted outer circle, as the equidistant view is from the top down.

The flat earth map ice ring is actually antarctica

Look at the left side of the continent, which is small compared to the right side.  That matches the thin land mass of the left, compared to the right.

Now look at the peninsula on the left lower side at 240 degrees.  It matches the peninsula on Antarctica.

The top of the circle is very thin and has a recess.

That matches the curvature of the top of Antarctica.

On the bottom right at 110 degrees, there is a small indentation.

That matches the bay on the southeast part of Antarctica.

Let’s take it one step further.  The bottom left red line shows that the meridian lines runs from the bay of Antarctica through South America. The bottom left red lines shows that the meridian line runs from the small bay runs through Asia.  The top red line shows that the meridian line runs from the other large bay in between North America and Russia.

Flat Earth map is equidistant map

The azimuthal equidistant map projection is only a tool, to help determine distances and flight maps on a globe earth.

Every time a flat-earther posts an explanation about direct airplane flights that they say is wrong on a globe earth; they are using this equidistant map, which is a globe map.

Flat earthers take words out of context to say that the Bible declares a flat earth.

They cite the words “pillars of the earth” to proclaim that the flat earth sit on top of pillars.

He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and he hath set the world upon them.” 1 Samuel 2:8

Read 1 Samuel 2:2-7, 9-10; you see that the word ‘pillars’ is referring to leaders of the earth, not physical pillars that support the flat earth.

Just like the saying that someone is a ‘pillar in the community’, it is declaring they are a strong leader.

The context is clearly about Elohim raising seemingly lowly people and making them the leaders of the earth.  It is not talking about the design of the physical earth!

Flat earthers say that the ‘circle‘ in Isaiah 40:22 is declaring a flat circle earth.

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.

And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19

He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the heavenly circle, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.

Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21

Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32

The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.

The circle of Isaiah 40:22 is the ecliptic, not the flat earth circle

We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the celestial sphere (circle) of the stars of the Mazzoroth.

Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26

He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4

So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.

The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”

Stop manipulating the Word of Elohim!  Read Biblical Proofs Of The Flat Earth Deception.

One of the most misleading things that proponents of the flat earth say is to ‘use your perspective as proof‘.

The challenge is that we are a small human on a large earth, so our perception is distorted.

We can only see so wide and far, so staring at a horizon that is only a few miles wide, we cannot see the curvature.

Flatearthers posts pictures from airplanes which seem to have a straight horizon, but when you put a line across the photo, you can see the curvature. In this image you can see the line is level with the horizon at the airplane pillar, and that there is a gap on the left and right side.

Airline pilot photo shows the curved earth

On this picture the red line is level on the left side, but you can clearly see the gap on the right side.

Airline pilot photo shows the curved earth 3

On this picture the red line is even on the sides, and you can see the curve of the earth in the center.

Supposed flat earth airplane image

Flatearthers counter by claiming that airplanes have curved glass that distorts the horizon.
Do you really think that airplanes would have glass in the cockpit that distorts the pilots view?
Does the windshield in your car cause the horizon to curve?  No!

 

Flat-earthers push aside the witness and photos of countless astronomers throughout the years and around the world, who have taken pictures of the planets and distant galaxies.

They proclaim that there are no real planets, and that they are just projections or lights.

There are astronomy clubs at many schools and astronomy groups in most major cities, who take pictures of the moon, stars, planets and distant galaxies. There is just no way that all of that is a conspiracy to hide the flat earth theory.

You can buy phone apps that show you where to look in the sky for planets, so that you know where to look with your optical telescope.

You can visit astronomy clubs and they will let you look through their optical telescopes, to see the planets and distance galaxies for yourself.  There is simply no excuse for this laziness!

Read Astronomy Proves The Flat Earth Deception.

Flat earthers push aside the witness of people who work in companies that use satellites.

They proclaim that there are no satellites, but that everything is done through cables or ground-based antennas.

Meteorologists around the world use satellites to show storms like hurricanes.

Hughes Satellite internet service can’t work with cables or land-based antennas, as the locations that receive the signals are too remote.

Navstar GPS works in remote areas through satellites.

Look at a house with the Dish Network, Echostar, DirectTV. What direction is the dish pointed to? The sky!!!

Look at a remote-location TV news crew, where is their dish pointed to?  The sky!

Sirius radio provides signals to you when you are far away from ground based antennas

Look at remote military units and military facilities to see where their dishes are pointed to.  The sky!

To deny satellites is to deny the existence of a space program covering the US, EU, Russia, China, India, Brazil, employing tens of millions of people and spending tens of billions of dollars a year, putting satellites in orbit, sending probes everywhere, creating the GPS system, satellite TV, etc.

It would mean that all of that is faked, on an ongoing basis, and none of these tens of millions of people has ever exposed the lie.

Read Satellites Prove The Flat Earth Deception.

They push aside the many people who have been to Antarctica as a researcher or tourist.

Flat earthers proclaim that the ice ring is protected so that nobody can see the end of the flat earth.

But that is ludicrous as people visit every year for research and for tourism.

Read Antarctica Proves The Flat Earth Deception

So why is the flat earth a topic these days? 

More and more people on Facebook and YouTube are promoting the flat earth theory, with ridiculous explanations that prove nothing.

Many of these people expose other conspiracies that have been foisted upon us; and they expose the truth about the Father and Son’s true names, about the Holy Feast Days, corrupt Bibles, etc.

So I believe that the enemy is getting them to believe in the flat-earth theory, so that others will discount all that they are proclaiming. It’s called a PSYOP, a Psychological Operation.

I think that flat-earthers are going to make everyone so tired of hearing about it, that people will not seek any of the truths that they share.  Many of them opening condemn everyone who doesn’t believe it, calling them fools and globeheads.

The story that Christians believed in a flat earth until Columbus’ time, and for some time thereafter, began as part of a fictional story that was elevated to historical fact by late 19th-century Darwinists who used it primarily as a means to ridicule Christians.

Sadly that appears to be happening again, as truthers who proclaim the flat earth are being ridiculed.

I hope that this page has helped to open your eyes to the truth, that the earth is a globe.

If you have some insight to prove that what I have shown is not correct, please comment below.

If you just want to make statements, without any proof; or if you just want to make accusations against me; then your comment may not be added to the discussion.

David Nikao

p.s. My explanations are logical, and are based on what we can see.  I don’t offer scientific explanations, because that is not my strength.

Sadly, I see flat earthers mocking scientific explanations about the globe earth, but giving really unscientific answers.

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Mycroft Jones February 7, 2019 at 7:15 pm

David, thank you for putting this valuable website together. Owen Benjamin recently learned the truth about the moon landings. Then Eric Dubay contacted him. Perhaps you could reach out? I think your material is exactly what Owen was looking for.

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David February 7, 2019 at 9:41 pm

Thank you for your comment! I don’t know who Owen Benjamin is, so perhaps you can reach out to him, and share the website.

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Ricardo January 28, 2019 at 2:49 pm

Hi David, I am reading your site with great interest as we have arrived independently to same conclusions. Among these I could mention, the 70 weeks, the Sabbath and the prophetic feasts and appointed days as a lifestyle choice. The law in the New Covenant being written in the heart. We also agree in the inadequacy of the flat earth model. I also agree with the Papacy being the little horn. But unlike you, I don’t see the Papacy as relevant or capable of organizing a world wide rebellion against the Lamb and His host. That place is reserved to the Nephilim known as Nimrod, the Ashur, Apollyon, Lucifer, etc. He is restrained in the bottomless pit until the time when he is released again for a last stand. His sidekick is the Levite wannabe Cohen known as Korah, the future false prophet, who descended alive to Sheol after organizing a rebellion against Moses. The Papacy is indeed the little horn but not the mighty hunter, Orion known in Egypt as Osiris. There is no Catholic power in the UNSC. Russia is Orthodox, China is buddist, France decapitated its Catholic kings, England divorced Henry VIII from wife and the Papacy. USA has separation of Church and State and murdered their Catholic POTUS JFK. However, as an avid reader of Revelation and thus student of the Mazzaroth, I have an issue with your geocentric model. Our solar system travels to Vega, a Star in Lyra aka the Harp. This was known to John who wrote Revelation and saw the believers with Harps and he mentions the two wings of the great eagle which adorns the representation of Lyra. Furthermore, the entire Universe is centered on the Pleiades aka the Seven Sisters, the Menorah and the Seven Stars in the hand of Messiah in Revelation 1. The ancients knew this and named a star in the Pleiades, Al Cyone which means THE Center. High Caliber astronomers confirm this today. The Pleiades are in/or near the constellation THE BULL who is the Aleph and the Tav. He is about to confront Orion in the stellar map. Job was asked rhetorically: Can you bind the sweet influences of the Pleiades ( Kimah) or loosen the bands of Orion (Kesil=The Fool)? The answer is No! No one but the Most High can loosen the bands of the mighty hunter Nimrod aka the Ashur until it is time for the final showdown.

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David January 29, 2019 at 3:04 pm

Wow Ricardo, that’s a lot of topics to address in one post! 🙂 People will never agree about everything, that’s for sure. That’s great that you see that the 70th week of Daniel was already fulfilled, for the concept of a futuristic 70th week of Daniel is the foundation of the enemy’s deception.
If people will put aside their programming, it’s easy to see how the 70th week pointed to the arrival of the promised Messiah, and how He died in the middle of the seven years, to atone for our sins. http://70thweekofdaniel.com/

The papacy fulfills prophecy as the Little Horn of Daniel 7, the Son of Perdition of 2 Thessalonians 2, and the antichrist beast of Revelation; who leads the harlot church of Rome. They reigned in power for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 A.D. http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/prophecy-points-to-the-leader-of-the-roman-beast/

But now the false prophet Superior General controls the Vatican, and via his city-state corporations of Vatican City, the City of London, and the District of Columbia; and via his many front organizations such as the Illuminati, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, etc.; via the Jesuit Rothschild central banks that now control the money supply of almost every country; the Superior General now controls most of the world.

The false prophet Superior General and antichrist beast beast Pope are the two leaders, the two horns, of the end-times Roman earth beast. They pretend to be Christian (lamb-like) but they really serve Satan (the dragon).

Regarding the geocentric globe earth, you’re ignoring Scripture who points to an earth that’s not moving; and you’re ignoring the scientific evidence which points to earth as the center of the universe. http://flatearthdeception.com/the-hidden-option-of-the-geocentric-globe-earth/

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Father Cool January 28, 2019 at 1:44 pm

Hi Kerry,

I am a graduate in engineering and astronomy so will attempt (I say attempt because flat earth believers tend to simply not believe anything that is told to them if it disagrees with their perception regardless of evidence, however I will of course give you the benefit of the doubt). You have also of course included the bible in your question which signifies a regious leaning toward the way your perception works. This in itself is not an issue, however the bible is simply an interpretation of your gods words made by people from a time where the universe was much less understood and humanity as a whole was much less developed as a species in its understanding. As a text its guidence is somewhat valid, as a description of how the fundamentals of the universe works I would probably leave it firmly on the shelf.

So to answer your questions.

1. We are told by the lying agencies that the moon reflects the suns light. However, moonlight behaves in a way that seems to contradict this theory. The temperature of moon light is cooler than the temperature of moonlight “shade”
How is this possible when sunlight creates the exact opposite effect?

A: The moon does reflect the sunlight, this can be seen by the moons phases. When the moon appears lit from the side that is the side which faces the sun. Hold a golf ball up against a light in a darkened room. You will see the exact effect we see on the moons surface on your ball.

The ‘cold moonlight’ is actually a false observation. For starters the moon light is only a tiny fraction of the light emitted by the sun. The sun radiates out light in a full 360 degree sphere. The earth in daylight catches a tiny fraction of this light and also the heat radiation from the sun on its surface. At night we face away from the sun and are sheilded by the rest of the planet from the suns heat radiation and light.

The moon, depending on its position relative to us and the sun, will reflect a certain amount of the light back towards us and also absorb a certain amount of it into its surface. None of this reflected light will provide any heat to the earth, its just neither of a high enough volume or the right radiation.

At night we are in shade from the sun by the rest of the planet as mentioned above. We are kept warm by the residual heat left in the surface of the earth, however this is constantly cooling through heat radiation into the atmposphere and ultimately out into space, luckily daylight follows and warms us back up before we all die. However, this heat radiation is whats important.

At night when the moon is shining the heat is happily radiating away from everything on the earths surface, gradually getting cooler. The moons light has no effect on this. How do we keep ourselves warm? We add clothes or blankets or a shelter or whatever. The point is we put ourselves under cover. It slows the rate at which we lose heat and thus we stay warmer for longer.

Now consider our situation, if we laid out in the moonlight we would radiate heat out to the atmosphere and gradually cool down, now Charlie our friend is laid under our shelter, in the shade from the moonlight, he stays warmer as he can’t radiate heat quite so fast due to the shelter. Therefore if we stick a thermometer on our skin, Charlie would appear warmer than us so you might think that the moonlight is cooling us down but not not Charlie. Not true. It actually has no effect whatsoever. Its the rate of our heat being radiated away due to how sheltered we are that makes the difference.

2. If one places meat in sunlight, the meat becomes dry and preserved from rotting. However, if one places meat in moonlight, it will.spoil.

A: Sunlight is composed of part light radiation and part heat radiation. The heat dried out the meat thus curing it. Moonlight a tiny reflected portion of the sunlight and is thousands of times weaker with no heat radiation. It stands to reason that it will not dry the meat and thus it will rot like raw meat.

3. How is it possible that we often see the sun and moon in the daytime sky at the same time? This could not occur on a globular earth.

A: Perfectly possible. I don’t really understand why you think that it can’t be possible. The moon doesn’t have to be on the opposite side of the planet to reflect the suns light. There is plenty of sky during for the moon and sun to be in where the moon is not directly between us and the sun. I am assuming that you think that because both the sun and moon are the on the same side of the planet then the light can’t reflect off of the moon and onto us. That is of course nonsense it will reflect light to us at just about every angle hence the moons phases.

4. Scientism tells us that earth spins at spprox 1000mph on its axis, that it orbits the sun at approx 66,600mph and that it is carried with the sun through the galaxy at roughly 500,000mph. The whole galaxy is then hurtling at close to the speed of light away from the source of the “big bang”. Yet we dont feel a thing. How is this possible?

A: As a starter you state ‘Scientism’ as though it is a religion. Please keep religions out of this. You can still hold a divine faith and be a scientist.

Anyway to the question, the earth doesn’t spin at 1000mph on its axis. This is a common misunderstanding by flat earth believers. The surface of the earth turns at an angular velocity, this is the nature of a sphere turning on an axis. The relative surface speed is dependent on where you are on the surface. At the equator the surface ‘moves’ at 1000mph yes but at the a position nearer to the poles it approaches 0mph, in effect if you stoof there you would be rotating on the spot, the important speed we need to address is the angular velocity which is always 1 revolution/24 hours or 0.00069 RPM. Seems much slower when you do the maths right? Not exactly whizzing around like a spinning top!

The earth orbiting the sun is moving at a seemingly fast speed, it has to cover over 584 million miles in a year, the sun does orbit the galactic center taking millions of years to do a single orbit and the galaxy is fair sprinting away from the big bang (not at the speed of light though, the galaxies are moving but the expansion of distance between them and the big bang is due to the expansion of spacetime as a whole butvwe digress). Despite all this, speed is relative. You cant just say moving at 60000mph unless you are measuring it against the position and speed of something else, this is also why we don’t feel anything odd about our trip through the universe.

Say you were driving a car at 50mph and someone was driving beside you at 50mph. You are both driving 50mph right? Wrong. We are driving at 50mph relative to the surface of the earth. Relative to each other you are both driving at 0mph. Now lets put the two cars on a massive ship in the middle of the sea. Both cars drive at 50mph. Are they going 50mph? Well only to the surface of the ship. To the earths surface you would need to work out how fast the ship was moving relative to the earth and the direction it was travelling and add, subtract or factor in those vectors into the cars speed. Now lets assume we don’t know the ships speed. We would have to ignore the earth altogether and judge our speed based on the ships surface so we are going 50mph in that case. Now lets remove the earth and the ship and we are flying two space cars at 50mph in space. How fast are we really going? We don’t know, we only have the other car to judge our speed from so actually we are stationary. The point being speed is onlybever relative to other things that we can measure from. The same hold true with ‘feeling’the motion. We only ever feel a change in motion, think of being in a lift/elevator. We feel it start and stop but the journey in the middle feels pretty still apart from the vibration in the mechanism. The point is we feel only get a sensation when accelerating and slowing down. The planets a stars are on constant paths so never afford us the feeling of any changes in direction or velocity.

5. We are told that the sun is 93million miles away and the moon 438,000 miles away and that they are vastly different in size. However we are assured that despite the massive difference in distance and size, the fact that they appear to us to be exactly the same size is merely an astronomically huge coincidence. How do you explaim this ?

A: As much as you like to believe that everything has to be designed by something greater than the very wonder thatvis the universe, coincindence does exist. More often than you’d think.

The size and thus masses of the moon and earth determines the moons orbit position and thus the size it appears to us. The size and masses of the sun and earth determine the distance at which the earth orbits the sun and hence the suns perceived size to us. They are what they are. The fact that they are what they are makes no real difference. If the earth was a bit bigger it would have a slightly different orbit and conditions on earth would be a tad different as a result, if the moon was bigger it would also be on a differnet orbit but so long as they weren’t so significant as to put the earth out of the goldilocks zone. I’m sure that life would have still been ok. There is often a misconception in people, and this is due to our very nature to think of ourselves as seperate from the universe, which of course is poppycock, and that is that the earth etc ‘must have been designed for us as its just the right to support us against all the odds. What we seem to not realise is that its not the world that is just right for us, its us thats just right for the world and that has taken millions of years of eveolution to get right.

6. The satanic rulers of this world do everything in opposition of Our Father, turning everything on its head in mockery of Him. In this way, their lies about the universe/creation and plane(t) all completely contradict the bible descriptiom of how He created earth and the rest. Bible states that He created the heavens and the earth first and that the sun, moon and stars were created afterward. The big bang theory states the complete opposite.

The bible says that the stars are for signs and seasons it does not say they are distant suns, and He contradicts that actually by stating that He divided the waters above from the waters below by creating a firmament, which the sun, moon and stars are inside of. If you look at the stars through a p900 you will see that they are not terra firma, but appear very much like light versions of the patterns we observe when we place iron filings on a vibrating plate… a different intricate pattern is formed dependent upon the frequency of the sounds used to vibrate the plate.

A: Without wishing to offend your religion. What is written in the bible about the creation of the universe is not true. The evidence of all of the things that you have mentioned above is extensive, they cannot be simply said to be wrong because the the bible says something different. The bible was written by many scribes over centuries, who weren’t god, who did not directly speak to god himself in a time where the cosmos was not even a dream in their head. The bible for whatever it is worth cannot and should not be accredited with the accolade of a factual reference book on the physics of the universe. Science should not be looked at at anti-religion. Its a seperate thing entirely, its an impartial investigation into how everthing works and nothing more. It doesn’t need to be.

7. If space is a vacuum as per their information, how does a rocket achieve thrust in space?

Thrust is not generated by pushing against something else it is due to the effects of Newtons third law which states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

So if for instance you throw a stone at a wall the wall provides an equal and opposite reaction to the stone which stops the stone from carrying on. Likewise of a ball is resting on a table the table itself is contantly providing an upward force on the ball to stop it crashing through the table. It may seem odd to you as the table is standing there just like it always has but its true. The difference is that there is a ball on it. The ball pushes down slightly so the molecules in the table move slightly under the pressure and come to rest in a more tense state providing the force against the ball.

Now consider and explosion in a field. The fireball and shrapnel go in every direction (except downwards because of the ground) because it can. Now lets put that explosion in a tube with one end closed and a cannonball at the other. What happens? The cannonball flies out right? Yes but also the cannon flies the other way. Why is that? Is it because the cannonball is being stopped by the air and the pressure in the explosion behind the ball is resisting the air and so pushes the cannon the other way. You might think so but in the grand scheme of things the air pressure is pretty low compared to the force at which the cannonball is being ejected. Now consider the situation if we had no cannonball at all the cannon would still move, not with as much force but that is due tk the expelled mass not the resistance of the air.

Lets for a second consider our initial explosion shrapnel and explosive mass was sent off in all directions right so the net movement of the centre of the explosion was zero because the mass was sent off evenly in all directions focing the reaction force toward the centre of the explosion. Now lets consider it inside a tube sealed at one end. Now all of the mass is forced to go out of the open end, the centre of the explosion is just against the sealed wall of the tube. Why is it forced out of the open end? Because the tube wall provides an equal and opposite reaction force to mass in the explosion. If the tube was bolted to the ground then the ground would absorb that force in its molecules amd dissipate it as vibration amd heat. What if we were sat in space with nothing to absorb that explosion? Well the tube would have to fly off in the opposite direction to the ejection mass. Now lets change the explosion into an explosion that last a long time like the volatile burning of rocket fuel. Now the centre of the explosion is moving along with the tube as the ejection mass is fired out of the open end. The tube has no other choice than to keep accerating away from the explosion as there is nothing at all including air to absorb any of the energy from the tube.

As you can see, no need for air for rocket thrust to occur. In fact it works better without the air resistance slowing the rocket down as the speed increases.

I hope that this clears up some of your concerns. It does seem that a lot of issues regarding this stuff is through conflict woth the bible. All I would say is take from the bible what is need to make you a better person and have an open mind about the rest.

Regards
FC

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Mark Young January 26, 2019 at 6:47 pm

A circle is not a ball. God’s word reigns.

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David January 26, 2019 at 8:25 pm

Your comment shows that you didn’t read this website, because I prove that the circle of Isaiah 40:22 is not pointing to the ball earth.

“It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:”

The ‘he’ is our Creator, who is not sitting upon the earth; so right there we can see that the circle is not describing the earth.

It’s pointing to the circle of the ecliptic, which is in the expanse of the heavens, on which Elohim sits.

“Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?” Isaiah 40:21

This is why Elohim told Isaiah to look up, to the circle; to the 12 constellations which have foretold the Gospel story since creation.

“Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing.” Isaiah 40:26

I believe that the globe earth is geocentric, and that’s the real deception that the enemy is hiding.

Seek truth, not to defend a belief. Here’s a Bible study that gives more information on the circle of Isaiah 40:22
http://flatearthdeception.com/biblical-proofs-of-the-globe-earth/

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Kerry January 3, 2019 at 2:28 am

Hi David. I have questions, if you wouldnt mind answering some please?.

1. We are told by the lying agencies that the moon reflects the suns light. However, moonlight behaves in a way that seems to contradict this theory. The temperature of moon light is cooler than the temperature of moonlight “shade”
How is this possible when sunlight creates the exact opposite effect?

2. If one places meat in sunlight, the meat becomes dry and preserved from rotting. However, if one places meat in moonlight, it will.spoil.

3. How is it possible that we often see the sun and moon in the daytime sky at the same time? This could not occur on a globular earth.

4. Scientism tells us that earth spins at spprox 1000mph on its axis, that it orbits the sun at approx 66,600mph and that it is carried with the sun through the galaxy at roughly 500,000mph. The whole galaxy is then hurtling at close to the speed of light away from the source of the “big bang”. Yet we dont feel a thing. How is this possible?

5. We are told that the sun is 93million miles away and the moon 438,000 miles away and that they are vastly different in size. However we are assured that despite the massive difference in distance and size, the fact that they appear to us to be exactly the same size is merely an astronomically huge coincidence. How do you explaim this ?

6. The satanic rulers of this world do everything in opposition of Our Father, turning everything on its head in mockery of Him. In this way, their lies about the universe/creation and plane(t) all completely contradict the bible descriptiom of how He created earth and the rest. Bible states that He created the heavens and the earth first and that the sun, moon and stars were created afterward. The big bang theory states the complete opposite.

The bible says that the stars are for signs and seasons it does not say they are distant suns, and He contradicts that actually by stating that He divided the waters above from the waters below by creating a firmament, which the sun, moon and stars are inside of. If you look at the stars through a p900 you will see that they are not terra firma, but appear very much like light versions of the patterns we observe when we place iron filings on a vibrating plate… a different intricate pattern is formed dependent upon the frequency of the sounds used to vibrate the plate.

7. If space is a vacuum as per their information, how does a rocket achieve thrust in space?

Thanks for your reply David. I came here from your ttue name of our creator page. I have questions there too! May Yahuah bless you, Shalom!

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David January 3, 2019 at 2:50 am

Hi Kerry, here are my answers.

1. I’m not sure about the moonlight vs. moon shade temperatures, but we have to realize that the sun is putting out different wavelengths, which are then reflected off of the moon, which may cause that anomaly.

We can clearly see that the sun illuminates the moon, as starting with the crescent moon which appears near the setting sun; every day it’s 1/14th further east in the sky at sundown, and it’s 1/14th more illuminated.

http://flatearthdeception.com/the-moon-proves-the-flat-earth-deception/

2. Sun dries out the meat, which helps preserve it. The moon does not dry out the meat, so it rots.

3. Why is it not possible to see the sun and moon in the sky, on the globe earth? Our perspective of where the sun and moon appear in the sky changes through the month.

Isn’t it really the opposite, that the sun and moon shouldn’t be seen in the sky at the same time on the flat earth model?

4. I believe that the earth is geocentric and not spinning or flying through space. http://flatearthdeception.com/the-hidden-option-of-the-geocentric-globe-earth/

5. It’s not a huge coincidence that the sun and moon appear to be the same size from our earthly perspective, it was designed that way.

6. The geocentric globe earth points to a creator, which is why the enemy has covered it up with the heliocentric explanations. When scientific proof was coming out in 2013 about space probes pointing back to earth as the center of the universe, the flat earth theory was pushed aggressively, to cover over the hidden geocentric globe earth option.

The P900 is an amazing camera, but it’s not designed to render the faint light of a distant star; so the star appears to pulse and move.

7. I’m not scientific enough to explain how rockets achieve thrust in space.

What’s amazing is that flat earthers have no scientific explanations for how the flat earth works. They can’t explain how the sun and moon levitate in the sky. They can’t explain how the sun moves from the large Tropic of Capricorn to the much smaller circle of the Tropic of Cancer. They can’t explain how the sun changes speeds from 1,322 MPH on the larger circle to 771 MPH on the smaller circle, to complete exactly one revolution per day.
They can’t explain how the moon illuminates itself and how it creates the phases.

I hope that helps!
David

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Father Cool January 28, 2019 at 1:33 pm

Hi Kerry,

I am a graduate in engineering and astronomy so will attempt (I say attempt because flat earth believers tend to simply not believe anything that is told to them if it disagrees with their perception regardless of evidence, however I will of course give you the benefit of the doubt). You have also of course included the bible in your question which signifies a regious leaning toward the way your perception works. This in itself is not an issue, however the bible is simply an interpretation of your gods words made by people from a time where the universe was much less understood and humanity as a whole was much less developed as a species in its understanding. As a text its guidence is somewhat valid, as a description of how the fundamentals of the universe works I would probably leave it firmly on the shelf.

So to answer your questions.

1. We are told by the lying agencies that the moon reflects the suns light. However, moonlight behaves in a way that seems to contradict this theory. The temperature of moon light is cooler than the temperature of moonlight “shade”
How is this possible when sunlight creates the exact opposite effect?

A: The moon does reflect the sunlight, this can be seen by the moons phases. When the moon appears lit from the side that is the side which faces the sun. Hold a golf ball up against a light in a darkened room. You will see the exact effect we see on the moons surface on your ball.

The ‘cold moonlight’ is actually a false observation. For starters the moon light is only a tiny fraction of the light emitted by the sun. The sun radiates out light in a full 360 degree sphere. The earth in daylight catches a tiny fraction of this light and also the heat radiation from the sun on its surface. At night we face away from the sun and are sheilded by the rest of the planet from the suns heat radiation and light.

The moon, depending on its position relative to us and the sun, will reflect a certain amount of the light back towards us and also absorb a certain amount of it into its surface. None of this reflected light will provide any heat to the earth, its just neither of a high enough volume or the right radiation.

At night we are in shade from the sun by the rest of the planet as mentioned above. We are kept warm by the residual heat left in the surface of the earth, however this is constantly cooling through heat radiation into the atmposphere and ultimately out into space, luckily daylight follows and warms us back up before we all die. However, this heat radiation is whats important.

At night when the moon is shining the heat is happily radiating away from everything on the earths surface, gradually getting cooler. The moons light has no effect on this. How do we keep ourselves warm? We add clothes or blankets or a shelter or whatever. The point is we put ourselves under cover. It slows the rate at which we lose heat and thus we stay warmer for longer.

Now consider our situation, if we laid out in the moonlight we would radiate heat out to the atmosphere and gradually cool down, now Charlie our friend is laid under our shelter, in the shade from the moonlight, he stays warmer as he can’t radiate heat quite so fast due to the shelter. Therefore if we stick a thermometer on our skin, Charlie would appear warmer than us so you might think that the moonlight is cooling us down but not not Charlie. Not true. It actually has no effect whatsoever. Its the rate of our heat being radiated away due to how sheltered we are that makes the difference.

2. If one places meat in sunlight, the meat becomes dry and preserved from rotting. However, if one places meat in moonlight, it will.spoil.

A: Sunlight is composed of part light radiation and part heat radiation. The heat dried out the meat thus curing it. Moonlight a tiny reflected portion of the sunlight and is thousands of times weaker with no heat radiation. It stands to reason that it will not dry the meat and thus it will rot like raw meat.

3. How is it possible that we often see the sun and moon in the daytime sky at the same time? This could not occur on a globular earth.

A: Perfectly possible. I don’t really understand why you think that it can’t be possible. The moon doesn’t have to be on the opposite side of the planet to reflect the suns light. There is plenty of sky during for the moon and sun to be in where the moon is not directly between us and the sun. I am assuming that you think that because both the sun and moon are the on the same side of the planet then the light can’t reflect off of the moon and onto us. That is of course nonsense it will reflect light to us at just about every angle hence the moons phases.

4. Scientism tells us that earth spins at spprox 1000mph on its axis, that it orbits the sun at approx 66,600mph and that it is carried with the sun through the galaxy at roughly 500,000mph. The whole galaxy is then hurtling at close to the speed of light away from the source of the “big bang”. Yet we dont feel a thing. How is this possible?

A: As a starter you state ‘Scientism’ as though it is a religion. Please keep religions out of this. You can still hold a divine faith and be a scientist.

Anyway to the question, the earth doesn’t spin at 1000mph on its axis. This is a common misunderstanding by flat earth believers. The surface of the earth turns at an angular velocity, this is the nature of a sphere turning on an axis. The relative surface speed is dependent on where you are on the surface. At the equator the surface ‘moves’ at 1000mph yes but at the a position nearer to the poles it approaches 0mph, in effect if you stoof there you would be rotating on the spot, the important speed we need to address is the angular velocity which is always 1 revolution/24 hours or 0.00069 RPM. Seems much slower when you do the maths right? Not exactly whizzing around like a spinning top!

The earth orbiting the sun is moving at a seemingly fast speed, it has to cover over 584 million miles in a year, the sun does orbit the galactic center taking millions of years to do a single orbit and the galaxy is fair sprinting away from the big bang (not at the speed of light though, the galaxies are moving but the expansion of distance between them and the big bang is due to the expansion of spacetime as a whole butvwe digress). Despite all this, speed is relative. You cant just say moving at 60000mph unless you are measuring it against the position and speed of something else, this is also why we don’t feel anything odd about our trip through the universe.

Say you were driving a car at 50mph and someone was driving beside you at 50mph. You are both driving 50mph right? Wrong. We are driving at 50mph relative to the surface of the earth. Relative to each other you are both driving at 0mph. Now lets put the two cars on a massive ship in the middle of the sea. Both cars drive at 50mph. Are they going 50mph? Well only to the surface of the ship. To the earths surface you would need to work out how fast the ship was moving relative to the earth and the direction it was travelling and add, subtract or factor in those vectors into the cars speed. Now lets assume we don’t know the ships speed. We would have to ignore the earth altogether and judge our speed based on the ships surface so we are going 50mph in that case. Now lets remove the earth and the ship and we are flying two space cars at 50mph in space. How fast are we really going? We don’t know, we only have the other car to judge our speed from so actually we are stationary. The point being speed is onlybever relative to other things that we can measure from. The same hold true with ‘feeling’the motion. We only ever feel a change in motion, think of being in a lift/elevator. We feel it start and stop but the journey in the middle feels pretty still apart from the vibration in the mechanism. The point is we feel only get a sensation when accelerating and slowing down. The planets a stars are on constant paths so never afford us the feeling of any changes in direction or velocity.

5. We are told that the sun is 93million miles away and the moon 438,000 miles away and that they are vastly different in size. However we are assured that despite the massive difference in distance and size, the fact that they appear to us to be exactly the same size is merely an astronomically huge coincidence. How do you explaim this ?

A: As much as you like to believe that everything has to be designed by something greater than the very wonder thatvis the universe, coincindence does exist. More often than you’d think.

The size and thus masses of the moon and earth determines the moons orbit position and thus the size it appears to us. The size and masses of the sun and earth determine the distance at which the earth orbits the sun and hence the suns perceived size to us. They are what they are. The fact that they are what they are makes no real difference. If the earth was a bit bigger it would have a slightly different orbit and conditions on earth would be a tad different as a result, if the moon was bigger it would also be on a differnet orbit but so long as they weren’t so significant as to put the earth out of the goldilocks zone. I’m sure that life would have still been ok. There is often a misconception in people, and this is due to our very nature to think of ourselves as seperate from the universe, which of course is poppycock, and that is that the earth etc ‘must have been designed for us as its just the right to support us against all the odds. What we seem to not realise is that its not the world that is just right for us, its us thats just right for the world and that has taken millions of years of eveolution to get right.

6. The satanic rulers of this world do everything in opposition of Our Father, turning everything on its head in mockery of Him. In this way, their lies about the universe/creation and plane(t) all completely contradict the bible descriptiom of how He created earth and the rest. Bible states that He created the heavens and the earth first and that the sun, moon and stars were created afterward. The big bang theory states the complete opposite.

The bible says that the stars are for signs and seasons it does not say they are distant suns, and He contradicts that actually by stating that He divided the waters above from the waters below by creating a firmament, which the sun, moon and stars are inside of. If you look at the stars through a p900 you will see that they are not terra firma, but appear very much like light versions of the patterns we observe when we place iron filings on a vibrating plate… a different intricate pattern is formed dependent upon the frequency of the sounds used to vibrate the plate.

A: Without wishing to offend your religion. What is written in the bible about the creation of the universe is not true. The evidence of all of the things that you have mentioned above is extensive, they cannot be simply said to be wrong because the the bible says something different. The bible was written by many scribes over centuries, who weren’t god, who did not directly speak to god himself in a time where the cosmos was not even a dream in their head. The bible for whatever it is worth cannot and should not be accredited with the accolade of a factual reference book on the physics of the universe. Science should not be looked at at anti-religion. Its a seperate thing entirely, its an impartial investigation into how everthing works and nothing more. It doesn’t need to be.

7. If space is a vacuum as per their information, how does a rocket achieve thrust in space?

Thrust is not generated by pushing against something else it is due to the effects of Newtons third law which states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

So if for instance you throw a stone at a wall the wall provides an equal and opposite reaction to the stone which stops the stone from carrying on. Likewise of a ball is resting on a table the table itself is contantly providing an upward force on the ball to stop it crashing through the table. It may seem odd to you as the table is standing there just like it always has but its true. The difference is that there is a ball on it. The ball pushes down slightly so the molecules in the table move slightly under the pressure and come to rest in a more tense state providing the force against the ball.

Now consider and explosion in a field. The fireball and shrapnel go in every direction (except downwards because of the ground) because it can. Now lets put that explosion in a tube with one end closed and a cannonball at the other. What happens? The cannonball flies out right? Yes but also the cannon flies the other way. Why is that? Is it because the cannonball is being stopped by the air and the pressure in the explosion behind the ball is resisting the air and so pushes the cannon the other way. You might think so but in the grand scheme of things the air pressure is pretty low compared to the force at which the cannonball is being ejected. Now consider the situation if we had no cannonball at all the cannon would still move, not with as much force but that is due tk the expelled mass not the resistance of the air.

Lets for a second consider our initial explosion shrapnel and explosive mass was sent off in all directions right so the net movement of the centre of the explosion was zero because the mass was sent off evenly in all directions focing the reaction force toward the centre of the explosion. Now lets consider it inside a tube sealed at one end. Now all of the mass is forced to go out of the open end, the centre of the explosion is just against the sealed wall of the tube. Why is it forced out of the open end? Because the tube wall provides an equal and opposite reaction force to mass in the explosion. If the tube was bolted to the ground then the ground would absorb that force in its molecules amd dissipate it as vibration amd heat. What if we were sat in space with nothing to absorb that explosion? Well the tube would have to fly off in the opposite direction to the ejection mass. Now lets change the explosion into an explosion that last a long time like the volatile burning of rocket fuel. Now the centre of the explosion is moving along with the tube as the ejection mass is fired out of the open end. The tube has no other choice than to keep accerating away from the explosion as there is nothing at all including air to absorb any of the energy from the tube.

As you can see, no need for air for rocket thrust to occur. In fact it works better without the air resistance slowing the rocket down as the speed increases.

I hope that this clears up some of your concerns. It does seem that a lot of issues regarding this stuff is through conflict woth the bible. All I would say is take from the bible what is need to make you a better person and have an open mind about the rest.

Regards
FC

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David January 28, 2019 at 5:40 pm

Thank you for providing your insight FC!

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Father Cool January 28, 2019 at 9:31 pm

No problem David. I noticed a few fat finger typos in there but I hope it makes sense.

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Walt Stickel December 27, 2018 at 11:08 pm

Appreciate all your comments and research, but heliocentric and geocentric are still just a theory. Whether it is a ball or flat. My position is the first chapter of Genesis. Nasa is still Nasa. Notoriously Assisting Satan’s Agenda. One thing both of us can agree on. We are not on a spinning ball. We were born in to a culture that was heliocentric by default. That ball has been pounded into the world. I think we can both agree they didn’t go to the moon and there is a difference between a ball and a circle. Thanks for all your time and work in expressing your your view on this theory. Some day we will get the full picture. Again the first chapter of the Bible makes it very clear that the faith of man and his view on Heliocentric is in error. In the faith of Christ. Walt

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David December 28, 2018 at 12:52 am

Thank you for your comment Walt! Yeah, NASA is an entity that was designed to deceive, and no doubt put things in space to make war against humanity.

As for the circle of Isaiah, it’s pointing up to the ecliptic circle, on which Elohim sits. The constellations on the ecliptic circle tell the Gospel story.

Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation. “And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains.” Isaiah 40:18-19

Elohim is pointing to the circle of stars, which have declared the Gospel message from creation; which are more glorious than any creation of man. “Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?” Isaiah 40:21

We see that Elohim tells Isaiah to look up to the circle of the stars (host) of the mazzaroth. “Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing.” Isaiah 40:26

The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven, proclaiming that Elohim walks in the circle of heaven, not on the circle of a flat earth. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”

This matches Isaiah 40:22, that Elohim sits and walks on the circuit (circle) of heaven. He is not sitting or walking on the circle flat earth, or a globe earth for that matter.

In Psalm 19:1-6, David described the sun travelling through the circuit (the line of the ecliptic), through the constellations of the mazzaroth, which are a tabernacle (tent); proclaiming the Gospel message.

“The heavens are proclaiming the esteem of Ěl; And the expanse is declaring the work of His hand. Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, and there are no words, Their voice is not heard. Their line has gone out through all the earth, And their words to the end of the world. In them He set up a tent for the sun, And it is like a bridegroom coming out of his room, It rejoices like a strong man to run the path. Its rising is from one end of the heavens, And its circuit to the other end; And naught is hidden from its heat.”

So we can clearly see that Elohim is referring to the circle of the ecliptic, which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan; and the circle of Isaiah 40:22 is not about the shape of the earth.

Here’s a Bible study that provides more detail. http://flatearthdeception.com/biblical-proofs-of-the-globe-earth/

May the Father bless you,
David

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Father Cool January 28, 2019 at 9:47 pm

No geocentricity is a hypothosis of the solar system (one proven wrong) and heliocentricity is a theory.

Again the meaning of theory has been misunderstood. A scientific theory is not the same as a theory in every day language where it is considered just an ‘idea’ or ‘suggestion’.

In the scientific method we observe something. Then in order to understand it we create a guess as to how it works, happens or whatever, this is called a hypothesis. We then deduce a series of experiments to see if our hypothesis is true. Through many many experiments and calculations and further observations we then determine if our hypothesis works. If it doesn’t we either dismiss it as simply wrong or if almost right we modify it to improve the model. We then test it again. If this time it works we then acknowledge that the hypothesis is correct and that hypothesis then becomes a scientific theory. The calculations and observations becomes the laws of that theory.

In science speak a theory is at this point taken as current fact.

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Erik de Rover December 25, 2018 at 9:44 pm

Mensen zijn ontvang en zend masten zeg maar wat ons geïndoctrineerd en getraind is, is maar een kleinste stukje van alles wat er is.
Maar ook dat weten mensen niet. Wat je ook niet weet is waarvan mensen denken dat iets nog moet gebeuren dat het werkelijk al plaats gevonden heeft.
Astrologie zal niet kloppen, als massa massa aantrekt waarom stoten we dan massa af.?. En trekken we het niet aan.

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Erik de Rover December 25, 2018 at 9:36 pm

Meteorieten schijnen de zelfde vergelijking te hebben al met gesteente uit de zee, dus het moet vanuit het water van boven zijn gekomen.

Hoe is de oerknal gekomen zomaar uit het niets, ontploffende tot iets dat gaat niet.
Wat wel gaat is dat bewustzijn wat in zich zelf keert bewust wordt van zichzelf.
We zijn er altijd al geweest.
Hoe komt het dat materie uit 99.999% uit leegte bestaat? Of is het gewoon allemaal energie op een eigen golf lengte en frequenties.
Het bestaat allemaal uit trillingen vibraties, we worden in een illusie gestopt vanwaar het zou kunnen zijn.
Maar dan komt de platte beter aan beeld, door 911 opzich al. Je zal wel denken wat heeft dat er mee te maken…maar als je goed zoekt zal je vinden.
Zoek alle vliegroutes is op en ga dan is kijken of het werkelijk nut heeft van wat rechtstreeks is.
Ga op zoeken wat horizon betekent, het betekent sowieso rechte lijnen en perspectief.
Kom nu eens met je eigen, dingen IPV de Hubble of andere telescopen en onderzoeken, en andere tijdschrift onderzoeken.

Heb je BTW wel eens een test gedaan met een bal magneet en een kompas…dan op de bal de de kompas gebruiken om te zoeken waar het noorden is. Of hij doet niets of het spint omdat het geen Noord heeft….bij een bol magneet heb je geen aantrekkingsveld en en afstoot veld. Je moet er al twee hebben om te kijken waar het zit maar een kompas werkt wel bij een ring magneet.
Daarom bestaat zwaartekracht ook niet alles wat meer zwaarder is dan lucht valt en alles wat lichter is valt ook maar wel omhoog

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chainsaw December 24, 2018 at 9:01 pm

than GOD some saying the earth is not flat it more than that it demon and and evil lie from the pit there say if i do not belive the earth is flat like it to rejecting the gospel and it has nonething to do with the gospel there no prophecy of it to do with the gospel it is bad as mormonism if not wast i am sorry you see the moron that that there the elite do there special knowledege so do the flat earth;s thing the same thing it the same lie denying the greatness of jehovah ;

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David December 25, 2018 at 3:10 am

Wow, that’s some explanation!

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chainsaw December 24, 2018 at 8:56 pm

than GOD some saying the earth is not flat it more than that it demon and and evil lie from the pit there say if i do not belive the earth is flat like it to rejecting the gospel and it has nonething to do with the gospel there no prophecy of it to do with the gospel it is bad as mormonism if not wast

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