Biblical Proofs Of The Globe Earth

This website exposes the flat earth deception and proves that the earth is globe shaped.

This page lists the common verses that flat-earthers cite to supposedly prove the flat earth, but which are taken out of context or take too literally.

Note: Flat earthers cite that the enemy is covering up the flat earth theory, to hide the Creator.

But the domed-earth could have been created by some deity or aliens, and left as a terrarium of sorts, to allow life to grow and evolve over billions of years. So the flat earth theory really doesn’t prove that the creator is the God of the Bible.

Flat-earthers cite Isaiah 40:22 to say that the world circle (chuwg) points to a circular flat earth, not a ball.

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

The ‘he’ is our Creator. He is not sitting upon a circular flat earth. He is sitting in the heavens, where the circle of the ecliptic displays the narrative of redemption through the constellations.

The word for ‘tent‘ can be rendered as ‘tabernacle‘; so it’s saying that our Creator is sitting in the tabernacle of the stars which He created.

Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.

And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19

He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the circle of the Mazzoroth, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.

Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21

Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32

The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.  It’s a tabernacle (tent) in which the Father dwells.

The circle of Isaiah 40:22 is the ecliptic, not the flat earth circle

We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the circle of the stars of the Mazzoroth.

Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26

He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4

So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.

The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”

Here’s a Jewish Mosaic which shows the Sun of Righteousness holding a globe earth; and it is surrounded by the 12 constellations of the Mazzoroth, the circle of stars which Isaiah was told to look up to.

Satan caused the pagans to pervert the story of the constellations and the sun god, but Messiah is the Sun of Righteousness (Malachi 4:2); and the 12 constellations proclaim the story of our redemption by Messiah. Read The Gospel In The Stars.

Jewish mosaic sun globe earth, 12 constellations in a circle

Job 38:4 is talking about the creation of the earth, not the physical foundation.

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.”

The Hebrew word yacad is a primitive root; to set (literally or figuratively); intensively, to found; reflexively, to sit down together, i.e. settle, consult:—appoint, take counsel, establish, (lay the, lay for a) found(-ation), instruct, lay, ordain, set, X sure.

So the word foundation isn’t necessarily pointing to the physical property, but the time of creation.

Proverbs 3:19 reinforces the point:

The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.”

Job 38:18 simply points to the width of the earth.  The Hebrew word is rachab, which means: a width:—breadth, broad place. Both the flat earth and globe earth have a width.

Have you understood the breadth of the earth? Declare, if you know it all.

Job 26:10 is declaring that the land will hold the water back, not an ice wall.

I love the irony of this meme.  They are declaring Job 26:10 to proclaim that the waters are compassed by the supposed ice ring that surrounds the flat earth, but the picture conveys the true intent of Scripture, that land would hold the waters back.

Jop 26:10 used to supposedly prove flat earth ice wall

Revelation 20:9 is talking about mountain or plateau, not a flat earth.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The Greek word for earth is ge, is not referring to the whole earth, but to the land of Jerusalem.

ge = which means: by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):—country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.

Just as the city of Jerusalem is set up on a hill, the New Jerusalem will also be set up high.

The armies of the enemies will go up to Jerusalem, to seek to attack it.

Flat earthers proclaim that Matthew 4:8 proves the flat earth.

Matthew 4:8 “Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Simple logic tells us that even on a flat earth, there is no mountain in the world from which you can view all the kingdoms of the world.

So it’s either figurative language; or Satan, the prince of the air, was able to somehow show the grand places of the earth.

The word ‘pillars‘ in 1 Samuel 2:8 is referring to leaders of the earth, not physical pillars that support the flat earth.

1 Samuel 2:8 “He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and he hath set the world upon them.”

First, let’s apply logic.  When constructing a large structure, a foundation is created and then the pillars are mounted on top of the foundation.

Does it make any sense to place pillars under the flat earth, since the pillars would not be mounted on top of a foundation, but rather would sit in open space?

The first part of 1 Samuel 2:8 tells you that the latter part is not talking about the creation/design of the earth.

Rather it is talking about the leaders of the earth, the pillars, who Elohim controls to uphold civil order in the world.

The previous verse is talking about raising people up in status, and bringing them down.

The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.” 1 Samuel 2:7

The next few verses are talking about the saints being preserve from the wicked, and the adversaries of the lord being broken to pieces.

Matthew Poole’s Commentary on the Holy Bible

The princes or governors of the earth, which are called the corners, or corner-stones, of a land or people, Jg 20:2; 1Sa 14:38; Zep 3:6, and are fitly called pillars, because they uphold the world, and keep it from sinking into confusion. See Ps 74:2; Jer 1:18; Re 3:12. And these are here said to be the Lord’s, by creation and constitution, because he advanceth them to their state, and preserves them in it, Pr 8:15-16, and puts the world, or the kingdoms of the world, upon them, as burdens upon their shoulders: see Isa 9:6.

John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible

Figuratively, the pillars of the earth may design the princes of the world, the supreme rulers of it, and civil magistrates, who are sometimes called cornerstones, and the shields of the earth, Zec 10:4, and so pillars, because they are the means of cementing, supporting, and protecting the people of the earth, and of preserving their peace and property. Likewise good men may be meant in a figurative sense, who, as they are the salt of the earth, are the pillars of it, for whose sake it was made, and is supported, and continued in being; the church is the pillar and ground of truth; and every good man is a pillar in the house of God, and especially ministers of the Gospel; see Re 3:12.

Revelation 3:12 is saying that the overcomers will be made leaders, pillars, in heaven.

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.”

So we can clearly see that 1 Samuel 2:8 is not talking about the physical design of the earth, but to the leaders of the earth, whom Elohim controls.

The word ‘firmament’ simply means ‘expanse’.

The Hebrew word for firmament is raqiya` from 7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament.

They point to the root word raqa, but it is simply describing something that is spread out, an expanse.

The Scriptures (ISR98) is a better translation than the King James, and it uses the word ‘expanse’ instead of ‘firmament’.

And Elohim said, “Let an expanse come to be in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” And Elohim made the expanse, and separated the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse. And it came to be so.  And Elohim called the expanse ‘heavens.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the second day.

Once again the ISR98 renders the proper word, expanse, in Genesis 1:14-18.

Let lights come to be in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and appointed times, and for days and years, and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth. And it came to be so. And Elohim made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night, and the stars.  And Elohim set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And Elohim saw that it was good.

Job 37:18 is simply declaring the glory of a clear sky, which allows you to see the many stars, which reflects the glory of Elohim’s creation.

Did you, with Him, spread out the clouds, strong as a hard mirror? ISR 98

Psalm 19:1-6 is talking about the 12 constellations of the Mazzaroth which encircle the earth on the ecliptic, and in which the Sun travels to tell the redemption story.

Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Psalm 148:4 simply points to how the water cycle of the earth causes great stores of water to collect in the clouds, vapors, air, leading to rain, snow and hail.

Praise Him, heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens!

Isaiah 40

They say that there is a glass dome above the Earth

They base that on Job 37:18, Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

Logic would say that a glass dome would reflect the sunlight and cause glares all over the earth.

It’s proclaiming that the sky is spread out and clear.

They didn’t have molten glass back then, so it is pointing to a mirror; which back then would have been made of polished brass.

The ISR98 Bible renders it, Did you, with Him, spread out the clouds, strong as a hard mirror?

They point to Daniel 4:10 to proclaim there is a center of their flat earth.

Daniel 4:10 “Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.

This is just another example of them taking a verse completely out of context to try to prove their agenda.  This passage is not talking about the design of the earth or the place that is the center.

The ‘tree in the midst of the earth‘ that Daniel was describing was king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, who reigned over the kingdoms of the earth.

He was humbled more than any man, and made to eat grass as the cattle of the field, which at the end of his punishment, caused him to praise his Creator.

How flat-earthers don’t bother to read the rest of the chapter, I cannot understand.  Verses 20-22 tell you who the tree represents.

The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth; whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was food for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the birds of the heavens had their habitation: it is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong; for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.

Matthew Poole’s Commentary on the Holy Bible: A tree: those that write of the language of the East tell us that a tree denote some excellent man. Thus the prophet Ezekiel, Ezekiel 31 throughout, describes the king of Assyria, and Pharaoh king of Egypt, in their flourish, height, and great fall, comparing them to huge cedars.

And besides that, everyone on the flat earth can’t see the sun, which is supposedly 3,000 miles high,  so how would they all see a giant tree?

Flat Earthers say that Scripture declares that the moon creates its own light.

For the stars of the heavens and their constellations do not give off their light. The sun shall be dark at its rising, and the moon not send out its light.” ~ Isaiah 13:10

Though stars make their own light, this verse shows the direct relationship between the moon not giving light after the sun is darkened.   This cause and effect is seen in other verses, which state that the sun is darkened and thus the moon is darkened too.

The verse is not pointing to the physical sun, moon and stars; rather it is pointing to the overthrow of the Babylonian kingdom.  The ‘sun, moon and stars’ are symbolic of earthly dignitaries, great political authorities and great lights in the political or religious heavens.

We know this because in Genesis 37:8-10, Joseph had a dream, ..”And this time, the sun, the moon, and the eleven stars bowed down to me. So he told it to his father and his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall your mother and I and your brothers indeed come to bow down to the earth before you?” It was symbolic of the power structure.

Isaiah 13:10 is referring to the Babylonian leaders being removed from power by the Medo-Persians; not to the literal heavenly bodies.

For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.“

Isaiah 13:17 confirms this with, “Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them,

Isaiah 30:26 again is not referring to the literal heavenly bodies:

And the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that יהוה binds up the breach of His people, and heals the wound of His blows.”

By moon, sun, light, are to be understood the abundance of spiritual and temporal felicity with which Elohim should bless them in the days of the Messiah, which should be sevenfold, i.e. vastly exceed all that they had ever before possessed.

Messiah is the Sun, His followers are the Moon, who reflect His light.

And once again Matthew 24:29 is pointing to the political leadership of the Jews.

And immediately after the distress of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.”

This is about the High Priest (sun) and the Sanhedrin (moon) and other priests (stars) being cast down from power by the Romans in 70 A.D. Read The Sun, Moon And Stars

Revelation 6:13-14 symbolizes the decline of the mighty Roman Empire, when there was great political upheaval. Read Revelation 6 – 6th Seal Earthquake

And the stars of the heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its unripe figs, being shaken by a strong wind. And heaven departed like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.

They cite Revelation 1:7 to say that only on a flat earth could everyone see Messiah return.

See, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye shall see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth shall mourn because of Him. Yes, Amĕn.

But that doesn’t prove the flat earth, because there is no place on the flat earth where Messiah could return, that every person in every country could see.   Can you see the sky over Jerusalem from where you live? No!

They cite Revelation 9:1 to say that only a flat earth can have a bottomless pit.

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Revelation 9:1 is pointing to the rise of Islam from the bottomless pit of Satan’s deceptions, which has deceived many people.  It’s not describing a real pit of the earth.

The earth is immovable, which may point to the geocentric position of the earth, but it does not prove that the earth is flat.

1 Chronicles 16:30 is simply saying that the kingdom of Elohim will never be moved.

Tremble before Him, all the earth. The world also is firmly established, immovable.

Psalm 93:1 is echoing the statement of 1 Chronicles 16:30.  They simply are not passages that are talking about the design of the earth, but rather about the mighty power of Elohim.

יהוה shall reign, He shall put on excellency; יהוה shall put on strength; He shall gird Himself. Indeed, the world is established, immovable.

Psalm 93:2 says, Your throne is established from of old; You are from everlasting.

Flat earthers wrongly proclaim that Psalm 96:10 declares a fixed earth position.

Flat earthers post memes like this that say that the Bible proclaims a flat earth, but what they are doing is taking Scripture out of context to make it seem like it is proclaiming a flat earth.

Psalm 96:10 is not declaring a fixed earth

Read Psalm 96. Does it have anything to do with the creation of the earth or the design of the earth? No!

It a Psalm of David, a prophecy of the coming of the Messiah, and of the calling of the Gentiles that believe in him:

This meme cites Psalm 96:10, but they either changed the words, or are using a modern bible version.

The King James read, “Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

The word for world is tebel = the earth (as moist and therefore inhabited); by extension, the globe; by implication, its inhabitants; specifically, a particular land, as Babylonia, Palestine:—habitable part, world.

What is the particular land of Scripture? Jerusalem, mount Zion.

The next verse talks about the earth, that it should be glad. Should we take that to mean the physical earth should be glad? No!

Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof.” Psalm 96:11

Psalm 96 is not declaring a fixed earth. It’s saying that the kingdom of Elohim, made up of those who have a covenant relationship with Him through the Son, will not be moved. And that they will rejoice at His righteous judgment.

Psalm 104:5 is talking about the design of Earth and the heavens, “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

Isaiah 45:18: “…who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast…”

The King James does not include the word ‘fixed’, “For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

The globe earth is fixed and immovable in relation to its orbit around the sun.

I’m open to the geocentric position of the globe Earth, but even if the heliocentric explanation is valid; nothing but Elohim can move the Earth from it’s circular path around the Sun.

Verses that indicate that the sun moves, which may point to the geocentric position of the earth, but it does not prove that the earth is flat.

Joshua 10:12-13, So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself upon their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Yashar? Thus the sun stopped in the midst of the heavens, and did not hasten to go down for an entire day. 

Isaiah 38:8, See, I am bringing the shadow on the sundial, which has gone down with the sun on the sundial of Aḥaz, ten degrees backward.” And the sun returned ten degrees on the dial by which it had gone down.

Flattening the Flat Earth Theory (The Earth is NOT Flat) by Doug Hamp

Below is a list of 200 verses from Nathan Roberts, who proclaims that they prove that the earth is flat.

Nathan Roberts wrote a flat earth book called, “The Doctrine of the Shape of the Earth: A Comprehensive Biblical Perspective”; he has a YouTube channel named YourCurvelessEarth; and a website called FlatEarthDoctrine.com.

Keep in mind that he is proclaiming that ALL of these verses prove that the Earth is flat.  You will see that in fact, NONE of them prove that the Earth is flat; and most of them have nothing to do with the shape of the Earth at all.

Earth Created Before the Sun: Genesis 1:1-19

The Earth being created before the sun may point to a geocentric Earth, but it does not prove that the Earth is flat.

Universe is Complete: Genesis 2:1

The heavens and earth being compete is not about the shape of the Earth.

Earth Measurements Unknown: Job 38:4-5, Jeremiah 31:37, Proverbs 25:3

Job 38:4-5 is not declaring that the Earth can’t be measured; but it is pointing to the One who did measure it all out during its creation. 

 Jeremiah 31:37 is about the heavens being measured, not Earth.  

Proverbs 25:3 says that the height of heaven is unsearchable. On the flat domed Earth, the height of the heaven is limited; but not on the globe Earth.

Earth is a Disk/Circle, not a ball: Isaiah 40:22, Job 38:13-14

Isaiah 40:22 is pointing up to the circle of the ecliptic, on which the constellations travel around the globe earth; to tell the story of our redemption.  The Creator does not sit on the flat earth; so the circle is not pointing to the flat earth, but to the ecliptic in the heavens, which are a tabernacle of stars, on which the Creator sits.

Job 38:13-14 is declaring that the Earth is turning (spinning) toward the rising Sun, “It is turned as clay to the seal”.  The Earth is changed, it is transformed, as the sun (the seal) removes the darkness.

Earth Measured with a Line, not a curve: Job 38:4-5

The word ‘line’ is pointing to a cord that is used for measuring.  A cord can be placed on a curved surface, to measure the total distance.  A line is not always straight.  

Paths are Straight, not curved: 1 Samuel 6:12, Psalm 5:8, Psalm 27:11, Isaiah 40:3, Jeremiah 31:9, Matthew 3:3, Mark 1:3, Luke 3:4, John 1:23, Acts 16:11, Acts 21:1, Hebrews 12:13

Proclaiming that all paths are straight, does not prove that the earth is flat. 

The irony is that if you travel East or West on the supposed flat earth map, your path is not straight, as East and West curve around the North Pole. 

These verses are obviously not talking about the form of the Earth. And the fact that they are declaring to make the path straight, tells us that paths are normally not straight. 

“And the kine took the straight way to the way of Bethshemesh, and went along the highway, lowing as they went, and turned not aside to the right hand or to the left; and the lords of the Philistines went after them unto the border of Bethshemesh.” 1 Samuel 6:12

“Lead me, O LORD, in thy righteousness because of mine enemies; make thy way straight before my face.” Psalm 5:8

“Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies.” Psalm 27:11

“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.” Isaiah 40:3

“They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.” Jeremiah 31:9

“For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.” Matthew 3:3

“The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.” Mark 1:3

“As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Luke 3:4

“He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.” John 1:23

“Therefore loosing from Troas, we came with a straight course to Samothracia, and the next day to Neapolis;” Acts 16:11

“And it came to pass, that after we were gotten from them, and had launched, we came with a straight course unto Coos, and the day following unto Rhodes, and from thence unto Patara:” Acts 21:1

“And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.” Hebrews 12:13

Nathan cites them so that he can claim that there are hundreds of verses which proclaim that the Earth is flat; but he is taking them out of context, as we can clearly see.

Waters are Straight, not curved: Job 37:10

“By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened.” 

The previous verses in Job proclaimed cold winds coming out of the North. 

The word ‘frost’ can be rendered as ‘ice’; and the waters become solid ice, instead of moving with the winds. 

Once again, Nathan is taking the meaning of the verse out of context, as it is not declaring that all water on Earth is straight.

Earthquakes shake Earth, and does not move: 2 Samuel 22:8, Isaiah 13:13, Revelation 6:12-13

These verses do not prove that the Earth is flat.

2 Samuel 22:3 simply says that the Earth shook and trembled, “Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.”

Isaiah 13:13 says that the Earth shall remove OUT OF HER PLACE, “Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.” 

Earthquakes in the prophecy can represent great political upheavals.  The earthquake of Revelation 6:12-13 was pointing to political upheaval in the declaring Roman Empire; as a result of the first five seal judgments. 

Eastern Emperor Constantine defeated Diocletian’s army in 312 A.D., which ended the persecutions. Diocletian (the Sun) was so panic stricken, he died insane. Constantine defeated emperors Maxentius and Licinius to become sole ruler of both west and east by 324 A.D. The Roman leaders (stars) fell and their power receded as a scroll. The mountains and islands that were moved out of place, were the countries and people that were affected by this political change. Read Revelation 6 – 6th Seal Earthquake

Earth is fixed and immovable: Psalm 33:9, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5, Psalm 119:89-90, Isaiah 45:18, Zechariah 1:11, 1 Chronicles 16:30

One can argue that these verses point to a stationary, geocentric Earth; but they say nothing about its shape, so they are not proofs that it is flat.

“For he spake, and it was (done); he commanded, and it stood fast.” Psalm 33:9

“The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.” Psalm 93:1

“Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.” Psalm 96:10

“Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.” Psalm 104:5

“For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.” Psalm 119:89-90

“For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:18

“And they answered the angel of the LORD that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, We have walked to and fro through the earth, and, behold, all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest.” Zechariah 1:11

“Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.” 1 Chronicles 16:30

“Be still, and know that I am God”: Psalm 46:10

How is that a proof that the Earth is flat?

Earth has Pillars, and hangs on nothing: 1 Samuel 2:8, Job 9:6, Job 26:7, Psalm 75:3, 2 Peter 3:5

Flat earthers proclaim that the flat earth is mounted on top of pillars, which makes no sense, because in architecture, pillars set on top of the building foundation.  What are the supporting pillars of the flat earth sitting on? Nothing!

The first part of 1 Samuel 2:8 tells you that the latter part is not talking about the creation/design of the earth.

Rather it is talking about the leaders of the earth, the pillars, who Elohim controls to uphold civil order in the world.

The previous verse is talking about raising people up in status, and bringing them down.

The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.” 1 Samuel 2:7

“Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.” Job 9:6

“He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.” Job 26:7 The north pole is the top of the globe Earth, so it makes sense to mention it, as it’s the logical place to hang a ball (such as a Christmas ornament) from.  The earth hanging from nothing does not prove that it’s flat.

“The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.” Psalm 75:3. Was the earth really dissolved? No!  It’s speaking of judgment on a wicked world, and the righteous men (pillars) being held up by the Father.

“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:” 2 Peter 3:5 I’m not sure how this proves that the Earth is flat, or even a globe for that matter.

Earth has a Face (a geometrical flat surface): Genesis 1:29, Genesis 4:14, Genesis 6:1, Genesis 6:7, Genesis 7:3, Genesis 7:4, Genesis 8:9, Genesis 11:8, Genesis 11:9, Genesis 41:56, Exodus 32:12, Exodus 33:16, Numbers 12:3, Deuteronomy 6:15, Deuteronomy 7:6, 1 Samuel 20:15, 1 Kings 13:34, Job 37:12, Psalm 104:30, Jeremiah 25:26, Jeremiah 28:16, Ezekiel 34:6, Ezekiel 38:20, Ezekiel 39:14, Amos 9:6, Amos 9:8, Zechariah 5:3

A ball has a face too.  The face of the moon is the side that is facing us.  So these verses do not prove that the Earth is flat.

The Hebrew word for ‘face’ in Genesis 1:29 is 6440 paniym – plural (but always as singular) of an unused noun (paneh {paw-neh’}; from 6437); the face (as the part that turns);

Waters have a Face (a geometrical flat surface): Genesis 1:2, Genesis 7:18, Job 38:30

The word ‘face’ is simply pointing to the surface of the water, so it doesn’t prove that the Earth is flat.

“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” Genesis 1:2 

“And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.” Genesis 7:18 

“The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.” Job 38:30 

Earth has Ends: Deuteronomy 28:49, Deuteronomy 28:64, Deuteronomy 33:17, 1 Samuel 2:10, Job 37:3, Job 38:13, Psalm 46:9, Psalm 48:10, Psalm 59:13, Psalm 61:2, Psalm 65:5, Psalm 67:7, Psalm 72:8, Psalm 98:3, Psalm 135:7, Proverbs 8:29, Proverbs 17:24, Proverbs 30:4, Isaiah 5:26, Isaiah 26:15, Isaiah 40:28, Isaiah 41:5, Isaiah 41:9, Isaiah 42:10, Isaiah 43:6, Isaiah 45:22, Isaiah 48:20, Isaiah 49:6, Isaiah 52:10, Jeremiah 10:13, Jeremiah 16:19, Jeremiah 25:31, Jeremiah 25:33, Jeremiah 51:16, Daniel 4:22, Micah 5:4, Zechariah 9:10, Acts 13:47

The irony of course is that flat earthers have no photos of the supposed end of the Earth, at the ice wall.

The word ‘ends’ can mean farthest and uttermost

Deuteronomy 28:49 foretold that the Babylonians and Romans would come from afar, to desolate Jerusalem.  Did they come from the ice wall?  No!

Deuteronomy 28:64 says that the Father scattered the Israelites from one end of the earth even until the other.  Did He put some on one side of the ice wall, and others on the other side of the Earth on the ice wall?  No!

Deuteronomy 33:17, “with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth:” describes the Father causing the Israelites to push the Canaanites to the end of the land of Canaan; not to some ice wall.

1 Samuel 2:10, “The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth” is not about the Father judging the ice wall of the flat earth.

Do you see how ridiculous these examples are?  They are not pointing to the edge of the supposed flat Earth, to an ice wall.

Earth has Corners: Isaiah 11:12, Revelation 7:1

Flat earthers teach that the flat earth is a circle, which of course has no corners.  So to make these verses work, they add corners to the outside edges, which are outside of the dome.  That makes no sense!

Were the outcasts of Israel and the dispersed of Judah living outside the dome, on the corners of the flat earth?  No, that is absurd!

“And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” Isaiah 11:12

The four corners are outside the flat earth dome, so does it make sense that the angels are holding back the four winds outside of the dome?  No!

“And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.” Revelation 7:1

Firmament/Dome: Genesis 1:6-8, Genesis 1:14-18, Genesis 1:20, Genesis 7:11, Genesis 8:2, Job 37:18, Psalm 19:1, Psalm 150:1, Isaiah 40:22, Ezekiel 1:22-26, Ezekiel 10:1, Daniel 12:3

Genesis 1:8 tells us that the firmament is called ‘heaven’. “And God called the firmament Heaven.” 

Genesis 1:14-18 tells us that the sun and moon are in the heavens.

Genesis 1:20 tells us that birds fly in the heavens.  

Genesis 7:11 points to the moisture, which was collected in the atmosphere, in clouds in the heavens, which was poured out in the Earth.

Genesis 8:2 simply says that it stopped raining.

Job 37:18 is a key verse, which they proclaim points to a glass dome.  They did not have glass mirrors in Job’s day, so they beat metal into sheets and polished it, to be able to see their reflection.   The King James translators were describing a mirror, as they had glass in their days.  It’s simply pointing to the heavens which shine down on us, reflecting the glory of creation.  “Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?”

Psalm 19:1 declares the glory of the stars in heaven. 

Psalm 150:1 declares that we should praise the Creator of the starry heavens.

Isaiah 40:22 declares that the Creator is sitting upon the circle of the Earth.  Is he actually sitting on the Earth?  No!  It is declaring that He is sitting in the heavens, in the tabernacle of stars which surround the Earth (as a tent), in the midst of the 12 constellations which are on the circular ecliptic (the circle of the Earth), which have proclaimed the redemption story since creation.

“It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:”

Ezekiel 1:22-26 is not describing the heavens that we see, with the sun and moon in it; but rather another expanse around the throne of our Creator.

Ezekiel 10:1 Like Ezekiel 1, it is not describing the heavens that we see, with the sun and moon in it; but rather another expanse around the throne of our Creator.

Daniel 12:3 The saints are portrayed as stars, which shine in the heaven of our Creator. 

Sun Moves, not the Earth: Genesis 15:12, Genesis 15:17, Genesis 19:23, Genesis 32:31, Exodus 17:12, Exodus 22:3, Exodus 22:26, Leviticus 22:7, Numbers 2:3, Numbers 21:11, Numbers 34:15, Deuteronomy 4:41, Deuteronomy 4:47, Deuteronomy 11:30, Deuteronomy 16:6, Deuteronomy 23:11, Deuteronomy 24:13, Deuteronomy 24:15, Joshua 1:15, Joshua 8:29, Joshua 10:27, Joshua 12:1, Joshua 13:5, Joshua 19:12, Joshua 19:27, Joshua 19:34, Judges 8:13, Judges 9:33, Judges 14:18, Judges 19:14, Judges 20:43, 2 Samuel 2:24, 2 Samuel 3:35, 2 Samuel 23:4, 1 Kings 22:36, 2 Chronicles 18:34, Psalm 50:1, Psalm 113:3, Ecclesiastes 1:5, Isaiah 41:25, Isaiah 45:6, Isaiah 59:19, Jeremiah 15:9, Daniel 6:14, Amos 8:9, Jonah 4:8, Micah 3:6, Nahum 3:17, Malachi 1:11, Matthew 5:45, Mark 16:2, Ephesians 4:26, James 1:11

All of these verses describe the sun rising up or going down.  Does the sun ever  ‘rise up’ or ‘go down’ on the flat Earth model?  No!  They proclaim that it moves in a circle above the flat surface; so the words rise up and goes down cannot apply to the flat Earth model sun.

“And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.” Genesis 15:12

“And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.” Genesis 15:17

 

“For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles;” Malachi 1:11

As for the sun moving and not the Earth, the same thing can be explained on a geocentric globe earth, so it doesn’t prove that the Earth is flat. 

Sun STOPS moving: Isaiah 60:20, Job 9:7, Joshua 10:12-14, Habakkuk 3:11

The same thing could happen on a geocentric globe earth, so it doesn’t prove that the Earth is flat. 

Sun moves BACKWARDS: 2 Kings 20:8-11

The same thing could happen on a geocentric globe earth, so it doesn’t prove that the Earth is flat. 

Moon has its own Light: Genesis 1:16, Isaiah 13:10, Isaiah 30:26, Isaiah 60:19-20, Jeremiah 31:35, Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24, Ezekiel 32:7, Revelation 21:23

Flat earthers have to dismiss that the sun illuminates the moon, because it causes problems on their flat earth model. The irony here is that they cannot explain how the moon illuminates itself, or how it displays the evolving phases.  

And we can clearly see the direct relationship of the New Moon being located near the setting sun; and for the next 14 days, the moon is 1/14th further away from the sun at sunset, and it is 1 1/4th more illuminated.  After 7 days, the waxing half moon is directly overhead at sunset. After 14 days, the full moon is rising in the East at sunset.  It’s not rocket science, the sun clearly illuminates the moon! 

In each of these verses, the sun being dimmed, results in the moon also being dimmed; showing the direct relationship, as the sun illuminates the moon.  Just as the Sun of Righteousness, Messiah, illuminates us and shines through us.

Isaiah 13:10 is not speaking literally, but metaphorically of the leaders of the tribe of Judah, the High Priest (sun) and Sanhedrin (moon) being removed from power, as they incurred the anger and wrath of the Father.

Isaiah 30:26 is not speaking literally, but is a hyperbolical expression, of the most glorious and comfortable condition of God’s church, far surpassing what it was in former ages. Messiah is our Sun of Righteousness, our High Priest; which is far superior to the Israelite High Priest.

Isaiah 60:19-20 speaks of the day when the Father and Son will illuminate the New Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 31:35 says that the moon and stars are given for lights at night. It does not say that the moon provides it’s own light.  Just like the stars, it reflects the sun light.

Matthew 24:29 and Luke 13:24 are talking about the Jewish political leaders; the High Priest (Sun), the Sanhedrin (the moon) and the priest system (the stars); being removed from power (dimmed) in 70 A.D., when the Roman army desolated the temple, city and Jerusalem. Read The Sun, Moon And Stars

Ezekiel 32:7 says that He will cover the sun and the moon will not give it’s light; so we see the direct relationship.  It did not say that He would cover the moon, just the sun.  And by covering the sun, the moon cannot reflect the light of the sun. 

Revelation 21:23 simply says that there will be no need for the sun and moon to shine in New Jerusalem, as the Father and Son will illuminate it. It is not declaring that the moon had provided its own light.

High Altitude Perspectives: Daniel 4:11, Daniel 4:20, Matthew 4:8

Nathan thinks that a high altitude perspective proves that the Earth is flat; but the verses prove that is not true.

Daniel 4:22 declares that the giant tree of Daniel 4:11, 20; symbolizes king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, so it’s not talking about a real giant tree,“It is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.”

For Matthew 4:8, when Satan took Messiah to a high mountain and showed Him all of the kingdoms of the world; there is no mountain on Earth which can see all of the kingdoms of the world, so it doesn’t prove that the Earth is flat. 

He was either pointing to that region of the Earth, Judea and the surrounding nations, which were controlled by the mighty Roman Empire.  Or he was able to give a kind of visionary representation of all of the nations of the Earth. 

Everyone Sees Jesus: Revelation 1:7

:See, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye shall see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth shall mourn because of Him. Yes, Amĕn.:

But that doesn’t prove the flat earth, because there is no place on the flat earth where Messiah could return, that every person in every country could see.   Can you see the sky over Jerusalem from where you live? No!

New Jerusalem, the HUGE cube: Revelation 21:15-17

The shape of New Jerusalem has nothing to do with the shape of the Earth. 

“Breadth”, spread out FLAT, of the Earth: Revelation 20:9

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The Greek word for earth is ge, is not referring to the whole earth, but to the land of Jerusalem.

ge = which means: by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):—country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.

Just as the city of Jerusalem is set up on a hill, the New Jerusalem will also be set up high.

The armies of the enemies will go up to Jerusalem, to seek to attack it.

Matthews Bible from 1537 says “Flat Earth”: 2 Samuel 11:11

The King James say ‘open fields’, “And Uriah said unto David, The ark, and Israel, and Judah, abide in tents; and my lord Joab, and the servants of my lord, are encamped in the open fields; shall I then go into mine house, to eat and to drink, and to lie with my wife? as thou livest, and as thy soul liveth, I will not do this thing.”

The verse isn’t about the shape of the earth, but that they encamped on a flat area in the open fields.  The fact that it had to clarify that the area was flat, tells you that most of the land around it was not flat.

Creation Worshippers: Deuteronomy 4:19, Deuteronomy 17:3, 2 Kings 23:5, Jeremiah 8:2

The focus of the verses is about the pagan god worship of the sun, moon and stars.  Those heavenly bodies exist on the supposed flat earth model too, so those verses have nothing to do with the shape of the Earth.

God’s Word is ALWAYS Faithful and True: Jeremiah 42:5, Revelation 3:14, Revelation 19:11, Revelation 21:5, Revelation 22:6

Yes He is, but as you’ve seen, the verses that Nathan’s cited do not declare that the Earth is flat; so these verses don’t prove anything in regard to the shape of the Earth.

Additional Resources:

Answers In Genesis – Does the Bible Teach that the Earth is Flat?

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Nathan November 14, 2017 at 6:01 am

Hey David! Just corrected you via 2 Timothy 3:16-17 on Facebook in this post: https://www.facebook.com/notes/the-doctrine-of-the-shape-of-the-earth/debunking-david-nikao-biblical-flat-earth-denier/312835345790947/

Just want to NOT thank you for taking God’s Word OUT OF CONTEXT, and spreading your confusion about God’s from yourself to others. I pray you will repent and remove this website immediately. May Yahweh bless your obedience!

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David November 14, 2017 at 4:47 pm

Well Nathan, you didn’t ‘correct’ anything; you simply cited the false explanations which I’ve already countered on this page.

You misrepresented what I said, and made illogical statements.

It’s sad that you can’t even see that Isaiah 40:22 is pointing to the constellations (Mazzoroth) above, which have told the Gospel story since creation; even when Isaiah clearly tells you to look up to stars, which are on ecliptic (the circle).

“Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.” Isaiah 40:26

It seems that your agenda is to just to sell books and make money. I offer my perspective for free.

It’s fine to disagree with me, but all my explanations are my genuine belief, based on my research. No point has been made with the intent to deceive, and I do not appreciate you implying as much.

You accuse me of creating division, but it’s you who has allowed this topic to cause such strife in your close relationships.

I have nothing to repent about, thanks. I did my research, I prayed for truth, and I was shown the logical explanations on the website.

May Yahuah bless you,
David

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Nathan November 15, 2017 at 3:13 am

ALL of the same content that is in my book is FREE through my YouTube channel (YourCurvelessEarth), Facebook page (The Doctrine of the Shape of the Earth), and on my website (www.flatearthdoctrine.com). Furthermore, that content is all free and accessible in God’s Word, all 200 plus verses that point to a stationary and flat earth with a dome over our head. For anyone to state otherwise, and even publish a website, against this biblical truth is quite insane. You have to delude God’s Word to believe in anything other than a stationary and flat earth when reading God’s Word in CONTEXT…which you seem to have a difficult time doing. Your website not only fortifies your own delusion to accepting God’s Word as ALWAYS faithful and true, it also leads others in the same direction who are interested in seeking God’s Word. You are preach FALSE doctrine in a VERY BOLD way. For those who are attempting to research this topic from a Biblical perspective your website doesn’t do any justice to God’s Word, it is an embarrassment and a shame. The confusion you espouse on your website gets absorbed by unsuspecting researchers and then they bring that confusion into their relationships, and that is what causes the division. Your work is a complete and utter disservice to unity that should be found in God’s Word. By the way…did you know that water ALWAYS finds level, I know…its profound. Oh, and the curvature that should exist is nowhere to be found either on ground or over 100,000 feet in the air (minus Fish-eye lens cameras). You need to take this website down, repent, and publicly apologize to all people you have steered wrong…otherwise, you are nothing more than a wolf in sheep’s clothing from my standpoint. May God bless your obedience.

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David November 22, 2017 at 7:06 pm

Here is my rebuttal on your Facebook post. None of the verses that you cite prove that the Earth is flat, and they are taken out of context. http://flatearthdeception.com/rebuttal-of-nathan-roberts-author-of-the-doctrine-of-the-shape-of-the-earth/

You removed my comment on your Facebook post. Are you afraid that your followers will read my rebuttal and find out the truth?

You are the one who is deceiving people, you should repent, you should ask for forgiveness from the people who you have deceived, you should take down your website, and you stop selling your books.

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David November 21, 2017 at 5:07 pm

Here is my rebuttal of your Facebook post Nathan. None of the verses that you provided prove that the Earth is flat. You are the one who should repent, apologize to all of the people who you have misled, remove your website and stop selling your books. http://flatearthdeception.com/nathan

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Christopher December 1, 2017 at 3:31 pm

Do you have a rebuttal on Andrew’s claims down below ?

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David December 1, 2017 at 3:48 pm

Christopher, Andrew was not asking for my opinion, and I don’t feel the need to offer one for every comment.

I let people post their views, as long as they aren’t attacking or demeaning.

Most of what he commented about, such as the firmament, I’ve already addressed on this website.

Saying that the Earth is the center of the universe, does not prove that it’s flat.

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Andrew November 14, 2017 at 6:51 pm

Hello David.

I’ve been a flat-earther for over two years now and am so because of the clear scriptural testimony. What started me on it was a realisation that when sun/moon/stars are referred to in scripture many of the references use the language of movement, while earth is associated with the language of stability. I know that a lot of the descriptions can be interpreted figuratively, as you’ve pointed out above, but the general impression you get from scripture does suggest that earth is still while the heavenly lights move. One incident from Joshua illustrates this where it says specifically that the sun stood still and the moon stayed: now if it had been that the earth stopped spinning then it would have said so without any injury done to truth.

But the chapter which has sealed FE truth for me has been Genesis 1. In verse one we see that earth was created right at the beginning – no sun till day 4, therefore Genesis is immediately a geocentric – earth-centered – document, whereas the ball-earth model presents an heliocentric – sun-centered ‘solar’ system – universe: sun before earth. According to scripture earth is the center of God’s creation with the heavens stretched out above it not around it.

Secondly, verse 6 introduces us to the firmament which divides the waters which are above the firmament from those below it: therefore it must be a solid structure to hold up physical waters. It must have ‘windows’ as was seen at the Flood, though not all the waters descended then as Psalm 148:4 declares there still to be waters above the heavens.

Thirdly, Genesis 1:9 tells us that all the waters of the earth – under heaven – were gathered together into one place. We know that water always finds its level and as still today all the oceans join then we can only conclude that they exist on a plane. The surface of water simply does not bend! As to Job 26:10, the verse does say that the waters are compassed with bounds, but on a ball-earth it is the other way around: waters encompass the land. That the land/continents do not compass the waters of the earth can be seen in that the seas and oceans flow freely all over the earth – you can sail ‘the seven seas’ without touching land, so this verse can only be referring to the 360 degree ice wall which is Antarctica which does indeed ‘compass’ the waters of the earth.

Anyway, I have written a long article entitled ‘The Flat Earth and Holy Scripture’ which can be found on my blog – andrewdibblesblog – linked from the home page of http://www.separating-gospel-truths.co.uk.

But going back to Genesis 1. If you are a Bible-believer and believe it ‘from the very first verse’, as Ken Ham says he does, then for the reason that it describes a geocentric creation and not an heliocentric one, must ring warning bells to the validity of a ball earth. The heliocentric, spinning ball-earth model finds its origin only in the big-bang, billions of years, evolution, gravity-holding-it-all-together theory of godless science – I don’t understand why Ken doesn’t realise this – whereas if you take Genesis 1 as written you can’t find any of those things. A flat, stationary earth as the base or foundation of the whole universe – with the heavens stretched out above it, in which sun/moon/stars are placed, is the only conclusion we can come to.

Of course this opens up a whole new line of questioning: i.e. the validity of everything that comes out of NASA, including the moon landings, etc., but needless to say that most if not all flat-earthers reject NASA as being totally fake: it almost seems as though it was brought into being to ‘prove’ the ball-earth, vast limitless universe, outer space, when scripture testifies to none of that. I’m on twitter @AndrewDibble3, where I argue for the flat earth from a scriptural standpoint. Look for hashtags #flatearth #nospin #fakespace #NASAlies amongst others.

All the best, Andrew.

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Prince Edward December 1, 2017 at 7:25 pm

I read: “For the stars of the heavens and their constellations do not give off their light. The sun shall be dark at its rising, and the moon not send out its light.” ~ Isaiah 13:10
If taken literally, as if speaking about the heavens, then it clearly says that the stars won’t give off their light either. Stars do not provide their own light, but are luminaries which reflect the Sun’s light; so it does not prove that the moon provides it’s own light.”

Excuse me! Stars DO give their own light. The sun is also a star. The sun is not the only light source.

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David December 1, 2017 at 7:43 pm

Thank you Prince Edward, I stand corrected, and I updated the page. Though stars make their own light, this verse shows the direct relationship between the moon not giving light after the sun is darkened.   This cause and effect is seen in other verses, which state that the sun is darkened and thus the moon is darkened too.

The verse is not pointing to the physical sun, moon and stars; rather it is pointing to the overthrow of the Babylonian kingdom.  The ‘sun, moon and stars’ are symbolic of earthly dignitaries, great political authorities and great lights in the political or religious heavens.

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Kyle December 18, 2017 at 10:51 pm

The sun is also a star? not according to the bible.
1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

God is telling you that suns are not stars.

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David December 19, 2017 at 1:53 am

Kyle, that verse is not saying that the sun is not a star. It is proclaiming that the glory of the sun is greater than glory of the moon and the glory the stars; and that some stars have more glory than other stars.

Here are a few examples of stars that have special, glorious, significance:

Spica means the Branch.

Arcturus means He comes.

Pollux means who comes to suffer.

Antares means the wounded.

Sirius means the Prince.

Elnath means slain.

Procyon means the Redeemer.

Vega means He shall be exalted.

Regulus means regal, the King Star.

Orion means Coming As Light.

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David December 19, 2017 at 1:58 am

Sadly, flat earthers seem to be missing out on the glory of the circle of stars, the Mazzoroth, which have proclaimed the gospel message from creation. Here’s a summary of the twelve constellations, which is what the Father told Isaiah to look up to in Isaiah 40:26.

“Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing.”

Each of the twelve signs pictorially represents a prophetic event in relation to the unfolding story of salvation in the history of the world.

Associated with each of the twelve were three other signs called decans, which give part of the sign’s message.

The summaries are from the book God’s Voice in the Stars: Zodiac Signs and Bible Truth by Ken Fleming, which I highly recommend that you buy; as it’s a concise, easy to read explanation of the constellations and how they symbolize our redemption.

Virgo represents the seed of the woman, Messiah the Incarnate Son.

Virgo represents the woman with the Seed, the virgin-born Seed.

The three decans of Virgo:

Coma represents the woman with her son, the desired Son.

Centaurus represents the dual-natured centaur, half god/half man, the despised sin-offering.

Bootes represents the Shepherd guarding, the coming Shepherd.

Therefore Yahuah Himself gives you a sign: Look, the maiden conceives and gives birth to a Son, and shall call His Name Immanu’ĕl. Isaiah 7:14

Libra represents the required price, Messiah the Redeemer.

Libra represents scales and the sufficient price, the blood of Messiah the price which covers.

The three decans of Libra:

Crux represents the mark of the cross, the death and finished work of Messiah.

Lupus the slain victim, the sacrifice of Messiah for sin.

Corona the crown, the crown bestowed on Messiah.

And they sang a renewed song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals, because You were slain, and have redeemed us to Elohim by Your blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, Revelation 5:9

Scorpio represents the mortal conflict, Messiah the Sufferer.

Scorpio represents the scorpion seeking to would but itself crushed, the enemy wounding Him.

The three decans of Scorpio:

Serpens represents the serpent struggling with the seed of the woman, the conflict.

Ophiuchus represents the mighty One holding the serpent from obtaining the crown, the evil one.

Hercules represents the mighty Man, humbled yet victorious, the mighty One victorious.

You tread upon lion and cobra, Young lion and serpent you trample under foot. Psalms 91:13

Sagittarius represents the final triumph, Messiah the Conqueror.

Sagittarius represents the archer with the drawn bow, the victorious Redeemer.

The three decans of Sagittarius:

Lyra represents the harp or lyre, praise for the victorious Redeemer

Ara represents the altar or burning pyre, judgment prepare for the devil and his angels.

Draco represents the dragon cast down, Satan cast down in defeat.

And ride prosperously in Your splendour, On the matter of truth and humility, righteousness; And let Your right hand lead You to awesome matters. Your arrows are sharp In the heart of the Sovereign’s enemies – Peoples fall under You. Psalms 45:4-5

Capricorn represents life out of death, Messiah the Sacrifice.

Capricorn represents the sea goat, life resulting from the sacrificial death of Messiah

The three decans of Capricorn:

Sagitta represents the arrow, Elohim’s judgment against sin.

Aquila represents the falling eagle, the Pierced One falling.

Delphinus represents the dolphin springing out of the water, resurrection from death.

Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. John 12:24

Aquarius represents blessing out of victory, Messiah the Living Water.

Aquarius represents the waterman, the Water of Life poured out on the redeemed.

The three decans of Aquarius:

Piscis represents the southern fish, the Living Water received in fullness.

Pegasus represents the winged horse, the soon return of the Redeemer.

Cygnus represents the swan, the sure return of the Redeemer.

And on the last day, the great day of the festival, Yahusha stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me, and let him who believes in Me drink. John 7:37

Pisces represents deliverance out of bondage, Messiah the Liberator.

Pisces represents the fishes, the blessings of salvation delayed.

The three decans of Pisces:

The Band represents a cord, the Redeemed bound.

Andromeda represents the chained woman, the redeemed in bondage and affliction

Cepheus represents the crowned King, the deliverer coming to rule.

And He said to them, “Follow Me, and I shall make you fishers of men. Matthew 4:19

And He said to them, “Throw the net on the right side of the boat, and you shall find.” So they threw, and they were no longer able to draw it in because of the large number of fish. John 21:6

Aries represents glory out of humiliation, Messiah the Crowned Lamb.

Aries represents the Lamb, deliverance realized.

The three decans of Aries:

Cassiopeia represents the enthroned woman, freed and preparing for her marriage to her Deliverer.

Cetus represents the sea monster, the great enemy subdued and bound.

Perseus represents the breaker, the mighty Deliverer.

saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb having been slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and respect and esteem and blessing!” Revelation 5:12

Taurus represents His glorious coming, Messiah the Judge.

Taurus represents the wild bull, the Judge coming to rule.

The three decans of Taurus:

Orion represents the Prince of glory, the triumph and brightness of His coming.

Eridanus represents the river of fire, the fiery wrath poured on His enemies.

Auriga represents the Shepherd, the protection of His people in the day of wrath.

But You lift up my horn like a wild ox; I have been anointed with fresh oil. Psalms 92:10

Gemini represents His rule on Earth, Messiah the King.

Gemini represents the twins, the coming Prince and Savior.

The three decans of Gemini:

Lepus represents the enemy, the enemy trodden underfoot,

Canis Major Sirius represents the Prince, the coming Prince of glory,

Canis Minor Procyn represents the Redeemer, the coming Redeemer,

Then we, the living who are left over, shall be caught away together with them in the clouds to meet the Master in the air – and so we shall always be with the Master. 1 Thessalonians 4:17

Cancer represents His possessions held secure, Messiah the Protector.

Cancer represents the secure resting place, the redeemed held safe.

The three decans of Cancer:

Ursa Minor represents the sheepfold, the stronghold of the saved.

Ursa Major represents the flock, the assembled flock.

Argo represents the ship in harbor, travelers safely home.

and said, “By Myself I have sworn, declares יהוה, Yahuah, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son, that I shall certainly bless you, and I shall certainly increase your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand which is on the seashore, and let your seed possess the gate of their enemies. Genesis 22:16-17

Leo represents His enemies destroyed, Messiah the Victor.

Leo represents the Lion, the triumph of the Redeemer.

The three decans of Leo:

Hydra represents the serpent, the old serpent destroyed.

Crater represents the cup, the wrath of Elohim poured out on the serpent.

Corvus represents the raven, the devouring of the old serpent.

And one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, overcame to open the scroll and to loosen its seven seals.” Revelation 5:5

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Matt December 18, 2017 at 1:11 am

Great testimony!! Thank you for shedding light on this deception. I feel the Spirit and the Word has lead me to the same conclusion as yourself, a different option, a globe, but not Copernican universe. It seems that the deceiver is tricking people into mixing up truth with lies like FE to push people away from Christ and the Truth. There are some great YouTube channels with people shredding a lot of truths but include FE in their presentation, which actually drives people away realizing the truth. Pray for wisdom and knowledge! Christ reigns forever!

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David December 18, 2017 at 1:36 am

Thank you for your comment Matt! The enemy loves to use false dichotomies, between two false explanations, to hide the real truth. Keep learning and growing in The Way!

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