If you’re a flat earther, have you studied the context of the Bible verses which are being cited to proclaim “the Bible says flat earth”?
This book goes through all 240 verses that people like Nathan Roberts cite, to show you the proper context; because if you’re promoting this list, then you’re accountable for the explanations.
It gives a fresh perspective about the ‘firmament‘ of Genesis; the ‘circle‘ of Isaiah 40:22; the clay turned to the ‘seal‘ in Job 38:13-14; the ‘pillars‘ of 1 Samuel 2:8; the sun going forth in his ‘circuit‘ of Psalms 19:6; and much more.
If you know someone who believes that the Scriptures describes a domed, flat earth; it will help you understand their rationale in citing these verses.
If you’re a believer who’s researching the flat earth, this book is critical for you.
If you believe in the heliocentric universe, have you read what Moses, Job, David, and Isaiah; declared about the earth, the sun, and the stars? The Bible describes a sun that moves in a circuit, which has been stopped, and has been moved back. And it describes an earth that is fixed. The Bible is purely geocentric, and there is no Scriptural justification for the heliocentric model.
The Bible also describes the lower circular layers which hold back the fountains of the deep; the spherical layers of atmosphere around the globe earth; the constellations on the ecliptic which encircles the globe earth; and the celestial sphere of stars which surround the globe earth as a tent, as a tabernacle.
The enemy is hiding the geocentric globe earth universe with the false narratives of the heliocentric universe and the flat earth model.
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The stars in the southern hemisphere prove that the earth is a globe.
On the flat earth model, if people in Australia, South Africa and South America, were all facing South, they would be facing opposite directions, so there’s no way that they can all see Sigma Octantis in the Octans constellation, which does not move. Yet people in those three Southern Hemisphere continents can look south and see stars circling around the south celestial pole.
This proves that the north and south celestial pole stars are at the top and bottom of the celestial sphere, and the other stars are circling the globe Earth.
Flat-earthers proclaim that this is possible because when people are looking south, they’re seeing a reflection off of the glass dome of the stars in the northern hemisphere.
But that is a false explanation, as the stars in the northern hemisphere are different than the stars in the southern hemisphere. Here are the constellations in the northern hemisphere.
Here are the constellations in the southern hemisphere.
Question for flat earthers: What is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes its path, to move from the larger circle of the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 mile circumference) to the much smaller circle of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 mile circumference)?
And what is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes speed from 1,322 MPH on the larger circle to 771 MPH on the smaller circle, to complete exactly one revolution per day?
Please comment below. Thank you!
Note: the numbers for the tropics are based on the supposed flat earth map, not on the globe. The supposed flat earth map is distorted, as it’s a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe earth. So though the Tropics on the globe earth have a circumference of 22,847 miles, on the flat earth map they are distorted. Using the equator as a baseline at 24,901 miles in circumference; the numbers of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 miles) and the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 miles) are based on the geometry of the azimuthal projection; not the actual globe.
After a lot of research, I believe that the enemy has created a deception regarding the design of the universe.
The Illuminati card game has a Flat Earth card that says “People laugh, but the flat earthers know something”. What flat earthers know is that the earth isn’t flying through space orbiting the sun. Astronomers and scientists have not proved that the Earth is moving.
And from our Earthly perspective, the planets and stars appear the same regardless of whether it’s the Copernican heliocentric view or the Tychonic geocentric view.
The deception is that the enemy has caused people to promote the heliocentric view based on philosophy, to not involve a Creator in the explanation of the design of the universe. And that led to the big bang theory, the theory of evolution, etc.; all of which steals glory from our Creator, and deceives people.
It wasn’t until scientific probes produced data about the radiation of the expanding universe, and the orientation of the quasars and radio galaxies; that researches were able to see that all of those things were pointing back to Earth as the center of the universe.
These findings were published in a book titled ‘Geocentrism 101 – An Introduction into the Science of Geocentric Cosmology‘ in 2013, and then explained in a movie called The Principle in late 2014.
Then shortly afterward the flat earth theory was aggressively pushed on YouTube and Facebook, to try to cover over the evidence, and to cause people to dismiss anyone who teaches that the Earth is geocentric.
The enemy has created a false dichotomy, so that the debate is between the geocentric flat earth vs. the heliocentric globe earth; so that people don’t consider the third option, that of the geocentric globe earth.
It puts the Earth at the center of the universe, proving a Designer/Creator, and explains why stars perfectly circle the Earth; while maintaining the laws of physics of the globe earth and the surrounding elaborate universe, which is a precision time-piece. Please read the geocentric Earth page, to see the scientific research that proves that we are at the center of the universe.
I’m not declaring that the earth is geocentric, as I can’t prove it scientifically; but when you look at how Bible verses seem to point to a geocentric earth, it’s an option that we need to consider. Read through the website, and you decide.
If you’re a flat-earther, you can decide to click away, thinking that you know the truth; but I would hope that your goal is to find the whole truth, not to defend a position.
People like Nathan Roberts and Rob Skiba point to Bible verses which they proclaim prove that the earth is flat; but the verses are taken out of context, and some of them prove that the earth is a globe.
Please read this Biblical Proofs Of The Geocentric Globe Earth study and decide for yourself.
Why would the enemy create the flat earth deception? Because most flat earthers are sharing truth in other areas, whether it’s about coming out of churchianity, about the Illuminati and their agenda, etc.; so by getting them to believe in the flat earth, they cause family and friends to stop listening to all that they teach.
On this page I will address the major challenges that I’ve found with the flat earth theory, which are explained in more detail on the other pages.
Here’s a video from the Geographic South Pole, looking straight up, which proves that the earth is not flat.
We can see the perfect circle of stars which is only possible on the globe earth, as no point on the supposed ice ring would show the stars circling overhead.
Here’s a video of a 5-day time-lapse from March 8-13, 2017, taken from the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station, which proves that the earth is not flat.
Airplane Video Proves Sun Is Not 3,000 Miles Above The Flat Earth
This observation is impossible on a Flat Earth with a Sun 3000 Miles above. We can clearly see the Sun on the Horizon from 43,000 ft. The clouds beneath us are illuminated from below but are dark on top.
This geometry is impossible on a Flat Earth. Of course – it works just fine on a Globe.
The Nikon P900 camera debunks the flat earth.
This video shows one ship that is moored near the horizon line, and the distant ship behind it which is well below the horizon; proving the curvature of the earth.
Some flat earthers commented that you should see the distant ship ’tilting’ if the Earth is curved, but the distance equates to only .23 degrees of tilt, which is not perceivable.
Sorry Flat Earthers The Equinox Geometry does NOT work on a Flat Earth.
The Flat Earth fails to explain the real observations we can make on the Equinox twice per year.
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A commercial pilot who is based out of Australia, who makes international flights in the southern hemisphere, shows that flat earthers cannot produce a legitimate pilots flight plan.
The video description says: A message to Flat Earthers. If you can’t show me a map that works and you can’t tell me how to navigate precisely around the real Earth you are wasting your time telling me the Earth is Flat. I can and do navigate precisely around the real Earth and I have been doing this safely for over 30 years using the Globe. Time to start producing real results guys. The same old nonsense arguments won’t cut it here any longer.
Flat earthers misrepresent the size of the sun, to proclaim that it gets smaller as it sets.
Here’s one of Wolfie6020‘s short videos where he used two cameras to record at the same time, one with a solar filter, one without.
This video shows how the size of the sun in the hazy sky changes as the camera automatically adjusts.
Flat earthers tell us to trust our perspective, but when we do that, we see that the sun and moon do not line up with the flat earth theory.
Flat earthers proclaim that the moon is a flat disc, but that simply cannot be true.
This is so easily disproved, that it’s nonsensical for flat earthers to proclaim it.
The shadows on the moon prove that it is being illuminated from an external light source.
Flat earthers cite Genesis 1:16 and say the the world ‘light‘ means that the moon is self-illuminated.
“And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”
The Hebrew word for ‘light’ points to a luminous body. It does not say that it provides its own illumination. ma’owr; properly, a luminous body or luminary, i.e. (abstractly) light (as an element): figuratively, brightness, i.e.cheerfulness; specifically, a chandelier:—bright, light.
Of course they have no way to scientifically explain how the moon illuminates itself, like we do for the Sun. And they cannot explain how the moon changes its illumination so that we see crescent moons and half moons.
It’s impossible for people on the flat earth model to see the same side of the moon.
We would see different sides of the moon, on the flat earth model.
The sun and moon do not vanish as a small dot over the horizon; but rather, they rise up from under the horizon and set below the horizon.
On the flat earth, objects that are moving away would simply grow smaller and disappear at the vanishing point, but they would always stay above the horizon. But every day we see the Sun rise up from under the horizon, and set down below the horizon.
It’s impossible for the sun to rise due East and set due West on the Equinox days.
The sun does not rise and set at the proper locations on the flat earth model.
The paths of the 2017 and 2024 solar eclipses across the United States are impossible to explain on the flat earth model.
There is no scientific explanation for the solar eclipse on the flat earth model, and we can clearly see that the path of the eclipse across the United States, cannot match up with the circular path of the flat earth sun.
How do flat earthers scientifically predict upcoming solar and lunar eclipses? They don’t! There is no scientific data which shows what causes the eclipses (many flat earthers say that the moon doesn’t cause the solar eclipse), and when they will happen.
The Spring and Fall Equinox is a great time to prove whether the earth is flat or a globe.
Geodetic surveying shows that angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that Earth is curved. This is called ‘spherical excess’.
Flat earthers push aside 100’s of years worth of measurements that have been recorded by geodesic surveyors all over the earth.
These surveyors have painstakingly taken measurements from point to point, and using geometry and triangulation, have determined the size of continents, and the shape of the earth. Triangulation on a flat earth would yield 180 degree sums, but surveyors have found that the sums are greater than 180 degrees, which proves the arc of the earth. Read Geodesy Proof Of The Flat Earth Deception.
One of the biggest perspective problems is that flat earthers are applying the 8″ per mile squared earth curvature formula to wrong line.
The 8″ per mile squared calculation does not measure the curvature of the line of sight, your horizon line; it extends far beyond what you can see.
Let’s apply this to a picture to see the difference between the level line and the horizon line.
Here is the Earth’s Curve Horizon, Bulge, Drop, and Hidden Calculator, which people use to try to prove that the earth isn’t curved. This is the default setting of the globe earth with a radius of 3,959 miles, which shows that if your view height is 6 feet, then your horizon line is 3 miles away. And that’s pretty much what we see in real life.
Most photos from flat earthers are taken from an elevated position, which extends the horizon line; so just plug the estimated height of the elevated position into the Metabunk Earth’s Curve Formula, and you will see that the horizon line matches up; proving the curved Earth.
In the below calculation I used the Advanced option to add 7 zeroes after the planet radius, to mimic a planet that is so big that the flat top is bigger than the supposed flat earth. And it shows that if your view height is 6 feet, your horizon line is 9,482 miles away.
Now of course your eyes can’t see that far, but a good telescope would be able to see across the flat plain to be able to see that far. The point is that if the earth really were flat, then you would be able to see much, much further than 3 miles.
Californians should be able to see Hawaii with a telescope, or Mt. McKinley, which is 20,000 feet high. From atop of Pike Peaks, which is 14,000 feet high, I should be able to use a powerful telescope to see all of America.
But the reason that we can only see to the horizon line is because the earth is curved; you are seeing the bulge of the Earth.
Here is a more technical explanation of the Earth curvature formula, to see how it is being misapplied by flat earthers.
There are a lot of explanations on this website which counter the flat earth explanations, but first let’s set the record straight about the map that most flat-earthers are using.
The map that flat-earthers use actually represents the globe earth!
Before computers, mapping out airplane flight routes was a challenge, as they had to use a globe, or images of the northern and southern hemispheres, like these.
To resolve this problem they created the azimuthal equidistant map, which allowed them to see all of the continents on one 2D map.
In order to do this, the bottom half of the globe earth had to be flared out into the outer circles. On the north-polar azimuthal projection map the northern hemisphere is shown in the inner circle, and the southern hemisphere is shown in the flared out circle that surrounds it.
These maps can be centered from anywhere. If you were planning flights from London, you would center it on London. North-polar azimuthal projection maps were used during times of war, and the polar route is the shortest distance between countries.
Rendering a globe earth onto a 2D image always cause some distortion. On the azimuthal projection map, the further away the land mass is from the center point, the greater the distortion. This is why Australia looks so wide, as it’s been stretched.
Since the continent of Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way to graphically represent it on the north-polar azimuthal projection map is by turning it inside out, and spreading it out as a white ring on the outside edge.
The South Pole is graphically represented by the outside line of the map. You can see that the white ring has several bays that match up to the Ross Sea, which is close to New Zealand; and Weddell Sea, which is close to South America.
Below is a south-polar azimuthal equidistant projection map. You can see that Antarctica and Australia are now normal size, as they are close to the center point; but North America and Euro-Russia are very distorted. And you can see that the outside edge is blue, because opposite of the South Pole is water on the North Pole.
Here is a equidistant projection map that is centered on Santiago, Chile. North and South America are normal size, as is Antarctica, since they are close to the center point; but Euro-Russia is greatly distorted, so much so that it is graphically rendered as a ring around the outside edge (just like the north-polar map).
You can make your own azimuthal equidistant projection maps on this website. You just need to enter the location; such as 90N,0W for the north pole; and 90S, 0W for the south pole.
Here is a Hammond’s north-polar equidistant map for airplane travel, which is the same map that flat earthers use.
It has both sides of the globe represented, which are declaring that it is a projection of the globe earth onto a 2D map. You can clearly see the continent of Antarctica on the bottom of the globes in white.
This close-up shows you that the globe declares the continent of Antarctica and the South Pole; and then again on the projection map. It is declaring that the outside line is the South Pole. It’s clearly telling you that the continent of Antarctica on the globe earth is represented as the white ring on the projection map.
On the bottom left of the map is a guide to the distances between meridian (N-S) lines. The distance increases up to the equator, and then decrease at the same rate to the South Pole. It’s declaring that though on the projection map it appears that the distances are become greater (because the southern hemisphere is flared out so that you can see it on a 2D projection map), that in fact they are getting smaller because the earth is globe-shaped.
This Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe.
Notice that it doesn’t have an ice wall! That is because they didn’t include the continent of Antarctica, because it is so greatly distorted.
Here is the call out box on the top right:
It says “Since it is impossible to spread the surface of a globe on a flat surface without distortion, all maps are distorted in some respects. In this map the distortion occurs in the east and west distances. This distortion increases gradually from the North Pole to the Equator, and then quite rapidly to the outer limits. The distortion of the Antarctic areas would be so great that these are not shown.”
So they didn’t even include the supposed ‘ice wall’, because it’s not an ice wall; it’s the continent of Antarctica, which is greatly distorted by the algorithm used to make the projection map. Since Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way for the program to render it was to stretch it out as a circle. The outer circle is the South Pole. The continent has been inverted.
To prove that the supposed ice wall is really the distorted and inverted continent of Antarctica, here is an image that has the outer white ring and the continent of Antarctica.
The image keeps the land mass around the outside edge, and has the continent of Antarctica in the middle, as that is what is on the bottom of the globe. The land mass is exaggerated, as the outside ring representation is exaggerated. The continent is inverted to match the inverted outer circle, as the equidistant view is from the top down.
Look at the left side of the continent, which is small compared to the right side. That matches the thin land mass of the left, compared to the right. Now look at the peninsula on the left lower side at 240 degrees. It matches the peninsula on Antarctica.
The top of the circle is very thin and has a recess. That matches the curvature of the top of Antarctica.
On the bottom right at 110 degrees, there is a small indentation. That matches the bay on the southeast part of Antarctica.
Let’s take it one step further. The bottom left red line shows that the meridian lines runs from the bay of Antarctica through South America. The bottom left red lines shows that the meridian line runs from the small bay runs through Asia. The top red line shows that the meridian line runs from the other large bay in between North America and Russia.
The azimuthal equidistant map projection is only a tool, to help determine distances and flight maps on a globe earth.
Every time a flat-earther posts an explanation about direct airplane flights that they say is wrong on a globe earth; they are using this equidistant map, which is a globe map. Or worse, they use a Mercator projection map.
Flat earthers take words out of context to say that the Bible declares a flat earth.
They cite the words “pillars of the earth” to proclaim that the flat earth sit on top of pillars.
“He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and he hath set the world upon them.” 1 Samuel 2:8
Read 1 Samuel 2:2-7, 9-10; you see that the word ‘pillars’ is referring to leaders of the earth, not physical pillars that support the flat earth.
Just like the saying that someone is a ‘pillar in the community’, it is declaring they are a strong leader. The context is clearly about Elohim raising seemingly lowly people and making them the leaders of the earth. It is not talking about the design of the physical earth!
Flat earthers say that the ‘circle‘ in Isaiah 40:22 is declaring a flat circle earth.
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.
And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19
He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the heavenly circle, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.
Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21
Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32
The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.
We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the celestial sphere (circle) of the stars of the Mazzoroth.
Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26
“He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4
So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.
The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”
Stop manipulating the Word of Elohim! Read Biblical Proofs Of The Flat Earth Deception.
One of the most misleading things that proponents of the flat earth say is to ‘use your perspective as proof‘.
The challenge is that we are a small human on a large earth, so our perception is distorted.
We can only see so wide and far, so staring at a horizon that is only a few miles wide, we cannot see the curvature.
Flatearthers posts pictures from airplanes which seem to have a straight horizon, but when you put a line across the photo, you can see the curvature. In this image you can see the line is level with the horizon at the airplane pillar, and that there is a gap on the left and right side.
On this picture the red line is level on the left side, but you can clearly see the gap on the right side.
On this picture the red line is even on the sides, and you can see the curve of the earth in the center.
Flatearthers counter by claiming that airplanes have curved glass that distorts the horizon.
Do you really think that airplanes would have glass in the cockpit that distorts the pilots view?
Does the windshield in your car cause the horizon to curve? No!
Flat-earthers push aside the witness and photos of countless astronomers throughout the years and around the world, who have taken pictures of the planets and distant galaxies.
They proclaim that there are no real planets, and that they are just projections or lights. There are astronomy clubs at many schools and astronomy groups in most major cities, who take pictures of the moon, stars, planets and distant galaxies. There is just no way that all of that is a conspiracy to hide the flat earth theory.
You can buy phone apps that show you where to look in the sky for planets, so that you know where to look with your optical telescope.
You can visit astronomy clubs and they will let you look through their optical telescopes, to see the planets and distance galaxies for yourself. There is simply no excuse for this laziness!
Read Astronomy Proves The Flat Earth Deception.
Flat earthers push aside the witness of people who work in companies that use satellites.
They proclaim that there are no satellites, but that everything is done through cables or ground-based antennas.
- Meteorologists around the world use satellites to show storms like hurricanes.
- Hughes Satellite internet service can’t work with cables or land-based antennas, as the locations that receive the signals are too remote.
- Navstar GPS works in remote areas through satellites.
- Look at a house with the Dish Network, Echostar, DirectTV. What direction is the dish pointed to? The sky!!!
- Look at a remote-location TV news crew, where is their dish pointed to? The sky!
- Sirius radio provides signals to you when you are far away from ground based antennas
- Look at remote military units and military facilities to see where their dishes are pointed to. The sky!
To deny satellites is to deny the existence of a space program covering the US, EU, Russia, China, India, Brazil, employing tens of millions of people and spending tens of billions of dollars a year, putting satellites in orbit, sending probes everywhere, creating the GPS system, satellite TV, etc.
It would mean that all of that is faked, on an ongoing basis, and none of these tens of millions of people has ever exposed the lie. Read Satellites Prove The Flat Earth Deception.
They push aside the many people who have been to Antarctica as a researcher or tourist.
Flat earthers proclaim that the ice ring is protected so that nobody can see the end of the flat earth. But that is ludicrous as people visit every year for research and for tourism.
Read Antarctica Proves The Flat Earth Deception
So why is the flat earth a topic these days?
More and more people on Facebook and YouTube are promoting the flat earth theory, with ridiculous explanations that prove nothing. Many of these people expose other conspiracies that have been foisted upon us; and they expose the truth about the Father and Son’s true names, about the Holy Feast Days, corrupt Bibles, etc.
So I believe that the enemy is getting them to believe in the flat-earth theory, so that others will discount all that they are proclaiming. It’s called a PSYOP, a Psychological Operation.
I think that flat-earthers are going to make everyone so tired of hearing about it, that people will not seek any of the truths that they share. Many of them opening condemn everyone who doesn’t believe it, calling them fools and globeheads.
The story that Christians believed in a flat earth until Columbus’ time, and for some time thereafter, began as part of a fictional story that was elevated to historical fact by late 19th-century Darwinists who used it primarily as a means to ridicule Christians. Sadly that appears to be happening again, as truthers who proclaim the flat earth are being ridiculed.
I hope that this page has helped to open your eyes to the truth, that the earth is a globe.
If you have some insight to prove that what I have shown is not correct, please comment below. If you just want to make statements, without any proof; or if you just want to make accusations against me; then your comment may not be added to the discussion.
David
p.s. My explanations are logical, and are based on what we can see. I don’t offer scientific explanations, because that is not my strength. Sadly, I see flat earthers mocking scientific explanations about the globe earth, but giving really unscientific answers.
interesting but polite nonsense that doesn’t prove anything. We are on a flat stationary Earth, get used to it in Your head, the rest of you already knows this! OmPeaceOm
Another empty statement from a flat earther, that proves nothing! Let me know when ya’ll get a real map, that has been measured and validated. Let me know when you get a picture of the dome. Let me know when you get a picture of the edge of the flat earth. Let me know when the sun rises due East in Australia, on the Spring and Fall Solstices. I could go on and on, but you get the point.
David,
I just found your site via a link someone shared on Facebook. I am dropping yo a quick line to say hello and to congratulate you on this extremely thorough and well organized compilation of information. I’m even honored to see a little bit of my stuff that made it in there. I’ll be sharing your site.
Jesse Kozlowski, Surveyor
YouTube Channel = Jesse Kozlowski
Facebook Group = Flat Earth Curiosity
Hey Jesse, thanks for commenting. Yeah, the geodetic information really makes sense to me. I just requested to joined your FB group.
My approach is one of logic, based on what we can see. Let me know if you have any additional input.
Thanks,
David
Thank you for all your work David
Hello there, truth seeker here! I just found your site and I’ve been skimming a few of the articles and comments. Anyways, at the moment I am not entirely certain on whether the earth is flat or round, but I do see that people are getting VERY opinionated on both sides. I believe that someone can be a Christian and also believe the wrong thing about the shape of the earth, but anyone who claims to be a Christian should also be intent upon seeking truth and being humble about the unknown. Anyways, one thing which I think deserves some attention is the distinction between reality, observation, and explanation. Reality is fixed, absolute truth which is not altered by any observation or explanation. Observation is made by imperfect humans by experiencing reality with their senses. And explanations are mere guesses made through applying human (and therefore imperfect) reasoning to observations of reality. Whenever people talk about “science,” they are talking about explanations which are generally agreed upon, but something being “scientific” does not inherently make it true. Evolution is taught by mainstream science, but is not at all supported by evidence or the Bible (which I consider to be ultimate truth). I am more worried about whether something is true than I am about whether something is scientific. As an example, Revelation teaches that Jesus will descend from Heaven and will be seen by the entire world. You can explain this by saying that the earth is flat, or by saying that Jesus will take some sort of orbital path, or by saying that the light will miraculously bend making impossibly lines of sight possible, or by using some other explanation. No matter your explanation, you can’t change what the Bible says. As people of truth, we should seek to conform our explanations to be as consistent with reality as possible. No theory can perfectly encapsulate all the various workings of the universe, and so there will always be gaps, holes, and other inconsistencies. Honesty demands that we investigate all things and be open with our shortcomings.
Hello Isaac 🙂 Thank you for sharing your insight, you made some great points!
Issac, There are many things we believe that we cannot see. You can’t see the air but you can see the effect of the wind blowing.
When all the earth see Jesus descend from heaven, even if the earth were flat Jesus would have to be quite large to see him at such a great distance. It’s impossible to define many things in the spiritual realm by human understanding. No one saw Jesus actually resurrected and no one knows how it was done, yet there were thousands of witnesses who saw him later.
If you think the earth may be flat, how can a plane fly in one direction and end up where it started? Why doesn’t the atmosphere just fly off into space (especially near the edge)? Why are all the other planets round? Why do people in different parts of the earth see different star patterns? Why are there different times zones (i.e. How can it be daylight in one place and dark in another)? Why is the horizon over the ocean curved across your field of view? How do satellites orbit the earth?
What’s on the other side of a flat earth? If the earth were flat gravity would act at an angle as you got near the edge, but it doesn’t. (gravity is directed towards the center of mass.) If you were to climb over the supposed antarctic ice wall, what would stop you from falling off the other side into space? Have you ever seen pictures of the other side of the earth? What shape is a flat earth? A triangle, a trapezoid, a rectangle? Most say round but how do they even know that?
OK, enough questions and only one answer that fits.
“Whenever people talk about “science,” they are talking about explanations which are generally agreed upon, but something being “scientific” does not inherently make it true. ”
I am sorry, Issac, but this is simply incorrect. Science is not about people finding things and agreeing upon them. Rather, science is about investigating something thoroughly, establishing your theory through the information you gather, and then someone else going over your information until you are proven wrong. Scientists don’t simply read the works of other scientist and take it as “truth,” they test it themselves before they accept it, before depending on that information.
Scientists will be the first to agree with you that human perception is flawed. That is exactly why scientists re-test data that is given to them, in case the original data or conclusions were flawed.
Philosophically speaking, I am unsure why someone would choose to take the bible, which was primarily written in descriptive poetic metaphor, has been re-translated quite a few times and edited heavily, as literal rather than metaphoric. If the messiah returns, he wouldn’t need to be “seen” in a literal sense all around the globe at the same time. He would be acknowledged in the hearts of all mankind, such would be the nature of his power.
I have nothing against anyone who finds solace and hope for the future in the Bible, but I cannot help but be wary of those who take the poetry found in it to be literal.
The real truth is that the Earth is not flat, never was, never will be. It is a spinning ball shaped globe, which is known as a planet that is 93,000,000 miles away from the sun. On the flat earth model, lunar eclipses are completely impossible. The moon is proving that the Earth is not flat by showing curved shadows and lunar eclipses can only happen on the globe Earth, but flat earthers still don’t seem to see the reality that is standing right in front of them. There is so much power undeniable evidence supporting the globe Earth standing everywhere around them, but they are still completely brain dead and mentally ill.
Hi David,
Finally, finally, I find a website that answers some of my questions about Flat Earth. 🙂
None of the Flat Earthers would answer my questions about 24-hour summer days in Antarctica, and also existing flights you can book over Antarctica (Sydney-Santiago in 17 hrs, etc). That was a journey of many months.
I have some questions/comments if that’s okay.
1. A lot of people commented that planes have to “dip the nose down” to stay at a constant altitude (the auto-pilot does that, but still). I think that’s correct, but the question was how Artificial Horizons actually do this automatically. I think the AH should change 1 degree for every 77 miles. Have you got an explanation for this?
2. I always had the feeling the curvature formula would have to be wrongly applied if the world were round, thanks for explaining this.
3. NASA lies, but to what extent? Do you believe in the moon landing? Mars? Hubble?
4. In the FE model it’s always truth mixed with error. It is interesting you’re also considering the geocentric model. Maybe we are stationary after all?!?
I’ll go check out your other websites. Good to hear about your gift of discernment. How’d you know God had given it to you?
God bless,
Jarno
Thank you for your comment Jarno! Yeah, whenever I’ve asked questions to flat earthers, they speculate about the answer or refer me to some video. But most of their explanations don’t make sense to me, and I can debunk many of them.
1. Flat earthers seem to think that an airplane travels in a straight line, so if the Earth is curved, the pilot has to point the nose down. But a plane’s natural tendency is to point down, so they have to use the controls to pull the nose up, to maintain altitude.
I’m not a pilot and my knowledge is limited on this topic, but to me the Artificial Horizon is telling the pilot that if they stay level on that gauge, then they will be pointing towards the distant horizon line of the Earth. All they have to do is maintain their altitude, and aim for the horizon; and the Earth’s curvature is automatically accounted for.
2. Yeah, the curve of the earth made sense when I understood how the curvature formula works. But most flat earthers don’t understand that the drop height is beyond their horizon line, so they cannot see the whole drop. And they are applying the formula to the Horizon Line not the Horizontal Line.
On pictures that give the height of the viewer, you can plug in that height to get the Horizon Line distance, and the picture shows that amount of distance; which confirms that the Earth is curved.
3. The moon landing is pretty hokey. The lunar vehicle and men would not fit in that small, junky-looking capsule. The shadows in the pictures are wrong. Etc, etc… So I don’t believe their story about the lunar landing.
The Hubble may be legit, not sure about the Mars probe.
4. I think that the enemy uses false dichotomies, to mislead people about the real truth. In this case all people debate about the flat geocentric Earth vs. the heliocentric globe Earth, but the geocentric Globe Earth model is ignored. It would explain many of the points that flat earthers make about the North Star staying in the same place, about flying through space, etc. And it would point to a Creator, as Earth is the center of the Universe, not some random planet.
I mainly focus on prophecy fulfillment, but the flat earth theory has taken hold with a lot of truthers, so I researched it.
To me, understanding prophecy fulfillment is more important than proving the flat earth, because I can show how most of Revelation has been fulfilled in exact detail; which proves that the Elohim of the Scriptures is the One True Elohim.
http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com
Keep learning and growing!
David
Hi David,
Thanks for your comments.
I love the idea of Earth as the center of the universe. That would make a lot of sense in many ways. Thanks for mentioning it.
Those prophecies will fulfill soon. This is definitely the season.
God bless,
Jarno
Short comment: On a geocentric model, the orbital paths of the planets would be far too erratic in their paths to maintain their paths in the night sky. The heliocentric model demonstrates the ability to maintain these same paths using simple elliptical orbits around the sun (including the earth).
In a geostationary model, not only do you have the issues of the geocentric model, but also the stars themselves would not drift the way they are observed to do. We would never have an “age of Aquarius,” or many of the other stellar progressions we observe.
David Said: “This website counters the common explanations of the flat earth, and that includes the sun and moon inside the dome, and that the moon is a disc, and that the moon provides its own light.”
Hmmmm…so since my comments arent common they are ignored? lol Or perhaps you have no answer to counter them? If the experiment I detailed regarding gravity is ignored, but valid, why not be objective and look into it. After all, if earth is a globe surely you have an answer why when shooting a level straight line through a transit I cant find any curve, and I am looking for curve believing its there. The ocean is the single best place to find it too. LOL. Using a level transit avoids the problems you outlined, sadly now it brings a new problem to the surface.
So I will not tangle in any Derogatory terms such as the MSM conspiracy “theory”..such an abused term…lol
All of your comments have been approved, so I’m not sure what you think is missing.
I manage all of these websites, and I get a lot of comments, so I do the best that I can to reply to them.
The 70th Week Of Daniel Deception http://70thweekofdaniel.com
The Olivet Discourse Deception http://theolivetdiscourse.com
The Falling Away of 2 Thessalonians 2 http://christianitybeliefs.org/the-falling-away/
Come Out Of Her http://comeoutofher.org
Islam In Bible Prophecy http://christianitybeliefs.org/islam-in-bible-prophecy/
Revelation Timeline Decoded http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com
Please show me a globe Earth which is 71% covered by water, which is demonstrably, infallibly flat.
Show me a globe Earth that’s 29% spherical and 71% flat.
And if the sun was 93 million miles away and gigantic, virtually half of a globe Earth would be equally lit by sol.
If we were actually spinning in space, the motion would be detectable, however it is not.
So many more simple, logical methods to see that Earth is flat, please use your senses, and avoid overthinking it, as the author has done.
Most “proofs” of a spherical Earth are nothing but labored mathematics based on assumptions based on speculations.
Daniel, I don’t show pictures of the earth from outer space, because ya’ll dismiss them. So asking for those pictures is goofy.
This website provides logical proofs that we can see. I’m not over-thinking anything, unlike this flat earther who thinks that Mount Rushmore used to be a giant tree. http://flatearthdeception.com/flat-earthers-mount-rushmore-giant-tree/
I can see that the Sun and moon are at full size when they drop below the horizon, but on a flat earth they should decrease in size, into a small dot and then disappear at the vanishing point, above the horizon line.
I can see the direct relationship between the phases of the moon, and how close the sun and moon are to each other in the sky. Flat earthers say that the moon illuminates itself, but can’t explain how.
I can see that the orbits of the sun and moon are not always opposite of each other, and that they are out of sync, so they would run into each other.
I can see that the sun is blocked during a solar eclipse, but flat earthers have no explanation.
I can see ya’ll don’t even know how to properly apply the Earth curvature formula, as you apply it to the wrong line.
I can see that ya’ll don’t have a working map, as the one you use is a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe earth.
And if you read the intro, you see that I’m open to the geocentric position. It’s interesting that the debate is always between the geocentric flat earth and the heliocentric globe Earth. But I think that is a false dichotomy, and that the answer may be the geocentric globe earth model.
David
David, I didn’t ask for photos of Earth from space. Even the providers of such images admit to their falsity.
You address me on a number of points which I didn’t raise. Unfortunately, you didn’t bother responding to the points I actually made.
I think you’re hung up on a globe model. Too bad. That deception is part and parcel of the big bang/evolution deception.
Part lie = All lie.
Daniel, my journey WAS one of seeking truth, not a belief. Yes, the proofs on this Flat Earth Deception website show that I have come to the conclusion that the flat earth explanations don’t make sense. I shared proofs that I can see, that point to a curved Earth. I see the posts and comments of flat earthers on Facebook, and they are ‘hung up’ on their model, and aren’t looking for truth. But I am open to the geocentric position, unlike most people ya’ll call globeheads.
Oh, there’s a deception about the flat Earth alright. Truthers are being rejected by family and friends, because they are pushing the flat earth model; which effectively causes people not to listen to what they have to say about the many deceptions in this world.
I completely get the Moon part and have to agree that the eclipse wont work with a flat earth. The Sun and moon need to be spheres in order to view from all angles, and something has to block the suns light from the moon, period.
So what if (trying to be practical, fair & objective here) the Sun and moon were outside the alleged dome? What if the dome wasn’t solid, but fluid or plasma, or some sort of divine goo that could be penetrated?
While the FE has some holes, IMHO so does NASA, and the Globe model. As a biblical Christian I am not sold on much unless its ordained by the Almighty. 😉
One of the geological facts to contend with is the evidence of an atmosphere change that took place at.during/after the flood. Oxygen concentrations in Earths atmosphere were significantly higher (verified in ice, sap/amber samples) and how that was accomplished remains a legitimate mystery.
Some of the craters here on earth can add mystery as well…Ice or meteor? lol
This website counters the common explanations of the flat earth, and that includes the sun and moon inside the dome, and that the moon is a disc, and that the moon provides its own light.
As for NASA holes, I don’t rely on data or pictures from NASA on this website, as they can’t be trusted.
And I have eluded to the possibility that the globe earth is geocentric, which accounts for some of the explanations from flat earthers, about the north star not moving, and the stars circling it.
That said, people in three different countries in the Southern Hemisphere can look south and see the Southern Pole Star, and the stars circling it. These three people would have their backs to each other and be facing in opposite directions on the flat earth; and there is no possible way that they could all see the Southern Pole Star. That is only possible on the globe earth. The graphic of this is on the home page. http://flatearthdeception.com
GOAL= Get outside and look. )) Step away from the Computer, take some curvature formulas with you, buy a cheap rifle scope and go to the water. There are no curves ANYWHERE. I am still researching this FE..not defending either side only what I find. So far…FE- 5 ~ SE-0
Gyro’s are another interesting point. Had them in the US Navy…once started they hold solid and true! Artificial horizon on an airplane would force the plane into an ever increasing altitude on a SE, or the pilots would have to dip the nose slightly to compensate for the curve. Kinda hard to argue with this one..ugh.
Gravity is not simply what holds us down, it also must know the molecular density of each item, AND must overcome the centrifugal outward force of the spinning earth.
A simple experiment is to take a 3″ cube of wood (pine, fir, etc) and a 3″ cube of lead.
First Place the wood on a flat surface wheel, like a tire, and using scotch tape apply only the amount of tape necessary to “hold the wood to the wheel so you can slowly rotate the wheel and have the block stay put in a full rotation. Then spin the wheel under power and note what speed the wood flys off due to centrifugal force.
Repet with the lead cube, attempting to reach the same speed as the wood block. You will discover that the application of centrifugal force, or a spinning earth, denser, heavier items require more force to hold down.
Gravity is not just powerful, its really smart. 😉
BTW..Im not a FE believer (yet), just an investigator. )
Look at the explanation Basic Geometry For Flat Earthers and you will see that the earth curvature formula is not saying that the drop would occur before the horizon line. It is declaring that the horizon line that you see, appears at the distance that the Earth curvature formula calculates, which proves that the Earth is curved.
As for planes, the curve of the earth is automatically compensated for, as the plane points towards the artificial horizon. A plane points down and loses altitude automatically. It has to pull up, to fight this downward pull, to maintain a certain elevation.
Spoke to a Naval aviator friend of mine and you and I are both wrong..lol
What he explained to me resolves the gyro issue, but not automatically in a artificial horizion which is a seperate instrument and has no “automatic” adjusting feature. Auto pilot does automatically adjust for the following factors: Desired elevation, course, wind speed and drift in vertical and horizontal axis, and very critical: speed of the plane.
The faster a plane goes, the smaller the adjustment becomes for curve. So that resolves that, as I forgot speed x 100 = distance traveled in 3 min, basic TMA.lol