If you’re a flat earther, have you studied the context of the Bible verses which are being cited to proclaim “the Bible says flat earth”?
This book goes through all 240 verses that people like Nathan Roberts cite, to show you the proper context; because if you’re promoting this list, then you’re accountable for the explanations.
It gives a fresh perspective about the ‘firmament‘ of Genesis; the ‘circle‘ of Isaiah 40:22; the clay turned to the ‘seal‘ in Job 38:13-14; the ‘pillars‘ of 1 Samuel 2:8; the sun going forth in his ‘circuit‘ of Psalms 19:6; and much more.
If you know someone who believes that the Scriptures describes a domed, flat earth; it will help you understand their rationale in citing these verses.
If you’re a believer who’s researching the flat earth, this book is critical for you.
If you believe in the heliocentric universe, have you read what Moses, Job, David, and Isaiah; declared about the earth, the sun, and the stars? The Bible describes a sun that moves in a circuit, which has been stopped, and has been moved back. And it describes an earth that is fixed. The Bible is purely geocentric, and there is no Scriptural justification for the heliocentric model.
The Bible also describes the lower circular layers which hold back the fountains of the deep; the spherical layers of atmosphere around the globe earth; the constellations on the ecliptic which encircles the globe earth; and the celestial sphere of stars which surround the globe earth as a tent, as a tabernacle.
The enemy is hiding the geocentric globe earth universe with the false narratives of the heliocentric universe and the flat earth model.
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The stars in the southern hemisphere prove that the earth is a globe.
On the flat earth model, if people in Australia, South Africa and South America, were all facing South, they would be facing opposite directions, so there’s no way that they can all see Sigma Octantis in the Octans constellation, which does not move. Yet people in those three Southern Hemisphere continents can look south and see stars circling around the south celestial pole.
This proves that the north and south celestial pole stars are at the top and bottom of the celestial sphere, and the other stars are circling the globe Earth.
Flat-earthers proclaim that this is possible because when people are looking south, they’re seeing a reflection off of the glass dome of the stars in the northern hemisphere.
But that is a false explanation, as the stars in the northern hemisphere are different than the stars in the southern hemisphere. Here are the constellations in the northern hemisphere.
Here are the constellations in the southern hemisphere.
Question for flat earthers: What is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes its path, to move from the larger circle of the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 mile circumference) to the much smaller circle of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 mile circumference)?
And what is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes speed from 1,322 MPH on the larger circle to 771 MPH on the smaller circle, to complete exactly one revolution per day?
Please comment below. Thank you!
Note: the numbers for the tropics are based on the supposed flat earth map, not on the globe. The supposed flat earth map is distorted, as it’s a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe earth. So though the Tropics on the globe earth have a circumference of 22,847 miles, on the flat earth map they are distorted. Using the equator as a baseline at 24,901 miles in circumference; the numbers of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 miles) and the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 miles) are based on the geometry of the azimuthal projection; not the actual globe.
After a lot of research, I believe that the enemy has created a deception regarding the design of the universe.
The Illuminati card game has a Flat Earth card that says “People laugh, but the flat earthers know something”. What flat earthers know is that the earth isn’t flying through space orbiting the sun. Astronomers and scientists have not proved that the Earth is moving.
And from our Earthly perspective, the planets and stars appear the same regardless of whether it’s the Copernican heliocentric view or the Tychonic geocentric view.
The deception is that the enemy has caused people to promote the heliocentric view based on philosophy, to not involve a Creator in the explanation of the design of the universe. And that led to the big bang theory, the theory of evolution, etc.; all of which steals glory from our Creator, and deceives people.
It wasn’t until scientific probes produced data about the radiation of the expanding universe, and the orientation of the quasars and radio galaxies; that researches were able to see that all of those things were pointing back to Earth as the center of the universe.
These findings were published in a book titled ‘Geocentrism 101 – An Introduction into the Science of Geocentric Cosmology‘ in 2013, and then explained in a movie called The Principle in late 2014.
Then shortly afterward the flat earth theory was aggressively pushed on YouTube and Facebook, to try to cover over the evidence, and to cause people to dismiss anyone who teaches that the Earth is geocentric.
The enemy has created a false dichotomy, so that the debate is between the geocentric flat earth vs. the heliocentric globe earth; so that people don’t consider the third option, that of the geocentric globe earth.
It puts the Earth at the center of the universe, proving a Designer/Creator, and explains why stars perfectly circle the Earth; while maintaining the laws of physics of the globe earth and the surrounding elaborate universe, which is a precision time-piece. Please read the geocentric Earth page, to see the scientific research that proves that we are at the center of the universe.
I’m not declaring that the earth is geocentric, as I can’t prove it scientifically; but when you look at how Bible verses seem to point to a geocentric earth, it’s an option that we need to consider. Read through the website, and you decide.
If you’re a flat-earther, you can decide to click away, thinking that you know the truth; but I would hope that your goal is to find the whole truth, not to defend a position.
People like Nathan Roberts and Rob Skiba point to Bible verses which they proclaim prove that the earth is flat; but the verses are taken out of context, and some of them prove that the earth is a globe.
Please read this Biblical Proofs Of The Geocentric Globe Earth study and decide for yourself.
Why would the enemy create the flat earth deception? Because most flat earthers are sharing truth in other areas, whether it’s about coming out of churchianity, about the Illuminati and their agenda, etc.; so by getting them to believe in the flat earth, they cause family and friends to stop listening to all that they teach.
On this page I will address the major challenges that I’ve found with the flat earth theory, which are explained in more detail on the other pages.
Here’s a video from the Geographic South Pole, looking straight up, which proves that the earth is not flat.
We can see the perfect circle of stars which is only possible on the globe earth, as no point on the supposed ice ring would show the stars circling overhead.
Here’s a video of a 5-day time-lapse from March 8-13, 2017, taken from the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station, which proves that the earth is not flat.
Airplane Video Proves Sun Is Not 3,000 Miles Above The Flat Earth
This observation is impossible on a Flat Earth with a Sun 3000 Miles above. We can clearly see the Sun on the Horizon from 43,000 ft. The clouds beneath us are illuminated from below but are dark on top.
This geometry is impossible on a Flat Earth. Of course – it works just fine on a Globe.
The Nikon P900 camera debunks the flat earth.
This video shows one ship that is moored near the horizon line, and the distant ship behind it which is well below the horizon; proving the curvature of the earth.
Some flat earthers commented that you should see the distant ship ’tilting’ if the Earth is curved, but the distance equates to only .23 degrees of tilt, which is not perceivable.
Sorry Flat Earthers The Equinox Geometry does NOT work on a Flat Earth.
The Flat Earth fails to explain the real observations we can make on the Equinox twice per year.
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A commercial pilot who is based out of Australia, who makes international flights in the southern hemisphere, shows that flat earthers cannot produce a legitimate pilots flight plan.
The video description says: A message to Flat Earthers. If you can’t show me a map that works and you can’t tell me how to navigate precisely around the real Earth you are wasting your time telling me the Earth is Flat. I can and do navigate precisely around the real Earth and I have been doing this safely for over 30 years using the Globe. Time to start producing real results guys. The same old nonsense arguments won’t cut it here any longer.
Flat earthers misrepresent the size of the sun, to proclaim that it gets smaller as it sets.
Here’s one of Wolfie6020‘s short videos where he used two cameras to record at the same time, one with a solar filter, one without.
This video shows how the size of the sun in the hazy sky changes as the camera automatically adjusts.
Flat earthers tell us to trust our perspective, but when we do that, we see that the sun and moon do not line up with the flat earth theory.
Flat earthers proclaim that the moon is a flat disc, but that simply cannot be true.
This is so easily disproved, that it’s nonsensical for flat earthers to proclaim it.
The shadows on the moon prove that it is being illuminated from an external light source.
Flat earthers cite Genesis 1:16 and say the the world ‘light‘ means that the moon is self-illuminated.
“And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”
The Hebrew word for ‘light’ points to a luminous body. It does not say that it provides its own illumination. ma’owr; properly, a luminous body or luminary, i.e. (abstractly) light (as an element): figuratively, brightness, i.e.cheerfulness; specifically, a chandelier:—bright, light.
Of course they have no way to scientifically explain how the moon illuminates itself, like we do for the Sun. And they cannot explain how the moon changes its illumination so that we see crescent moons and half moons.
It’s impossible for people on the flat earth model to see the same side of the moon.
We would see different sides of the moon, on the flat earth model.
The sun and moon do not vanish as a small dot over the horizon; but rather, they rise up from under the horizon and set below the horizon.
On the flat earth, objects that are moving away would simply grow smaller and disappear at the vanishing point, but they would always stay above the horizon. But every day we see the Sun rise up from under the horizon, and set down below the horizon.
It’s impossible for the sun to rise due East and set due West on the Equinox days.
The sun does not rise and set at the proper locations on the flat earth model.
The paths of the 2017 and 2024 solar eclipses across the United States are impossible to explain on the flat earth model.
There is no scientific explanation for the solar eclipse on the flat earth model, and we can clearly see that the path of the eclipse across the United States, cannot match up with the circular path of the flat earth sun.
How do flat earthers scientifically predict upcoming solar and lunar eclipses? They don’t! There is no scientific data which shows what causes the eclipses (many flat earthers say that the moon doesn’t cause the solar eclipse), and when they will happen.
The Spring and Fall Equinox is a great time to prove whether the earth is flat or a globe.
Geodetic surveying shows that angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that Earth is curved. This is called ‘spherical excess’.
Flat earthers push aside 100’s of years worth of measurements that have been recorded by geodesic surveyors all over the earth.
These surveyors have painstakingly taken measurements from point to point, and using geometry and triangulation, have determined the size of continents, and the shape of the earth. Triangulation on a flat earth would yield 180 degree sums, but surveyors have found that the sums are greater than 180 degrees, which proves the arc of the earth. Read Geodesy Proof Of The Flat Earth Deception.
One of the biggest perspective problems is that flat earthers are applying the 8″ per mile squared earth curvature formula to wrong line.
The 8″ per mile squared calculation does not measure the curvature of the line of sight, your horizon line; it extends far beyond what you can see.
Let’s apply this to a picture to see the difference between the level line and the horizon line.
Here is the Earth’s Curve Horizon, Bulge, Drop, and Hidden Calculator, which people use to try to prove that the earth isn’t curved. This is the default setting of the globe earth with a radius of 3,959 miles, which shows that if your view height is 6 feet, then your horizon line is 3 miles away. And that’s pretty much what we see in real life.
Most photos from flat earthers are taken from an elevated position, which extends the horizon line; so just plug the estimated height of the elevated position into the Metabunk Earth’s Curve Formula, and you will see that the horizon line matches up; proving the curved Earth.
In the below calculation I used the Advanced option to add 7 zeroes after the planet radius, to mimic a planet that is so big that the flat top is bigger than the supposed flat earth. And it shows that if your view height is 6 feet, your horizon line is 9,482 miles away.
Now of course your eyes can’t see that far, but a good telescope would be able to see across the flat plain to be able to see that far. The point is that if the earth really were flat, then you would be able to see much, much further than 3 miles.
Californians should be able to see Hawaii with a telescope, or Mt. McKinley, which is 20,000 feet high. From atop of Pike Peaks, which is 14,000 feet high, I should be able to use a powerful telescope to see all of America.
But the reason that we can only see to the horizon line is because the earth is curved; you are seeing the bulge of the Earth.
Here is a more technical explanation of the Earth curvature formula, to see how it is being misapplied by flat earthers.
There are a lot of explanations on this website which counter the flat earth explanations, but first let’s set the record straight about the map that most flat-earthers are using.
The map that flat-earthers use actually represents the globe earth!
Before computers, mapping out airplane flight routes was a challenge, as they had to use a globe, or images of the northern and southern hemispheres, like these.
To resolve this problem they created the azimuthal equidistant map, which allowed them to see all of the continents on one 2D map.
In order to do this, the bottom half of the globe earth had to be flared out into the outer circles. On the north-polar azimuthal projection map the northern hemisphere is shown in the inner circle, and the southern hemisphere is shown in the flared out circle that surrounds it.
These maps can be centered from anywhere. If you were planning flights from London, you would center it on London. North-polar azimuthal projection maps were used during times of war, and the polar route is the shortest distance between countries.
Rendering a globe earth onto a 2D image always cause some distortion. On the azimuthal projection map, the further away the land mass is from the center point, the greater the distortion. This is why Australia looks so wide, as it’s been stretched.
Since the continent of Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way to graphically represent it on the north-polar azimuthal projection map is by turning it inside out, and spreading it out as a white ring on the outside edge.
The South Pole is graphically represented by the outside line of the map. You can see that the white ring has several bays that match up to the Ross Sea, which is close to New Zealand; and Weddell Sea, which is close to South America.
Below is a south-polar azimuthal equidistant projection map. You can see that Antarctica and Australia are now normal size, as they are close to the center point; but North America and Euro-Russia are very distorted. And you can see that the outside edge is blue, because opposite of the South Pole is water on the North Pole.
Here is a equidistant projection map that is centered on Santiago, Chile. North and South America are normal size, as is Antarctica, since they are close to the center point; but Euro-Russia is greatly distorted, so much so that it is graphically rendered as a ring around the outside edge (just like the north-polar map).
You can make your own azimuthal equidistant projection maps on this website. You just need to enter the location; such as 90N,0W for the north pole; and 90S, 0W for the south pole.
Here is a Hammond’s north-polar equidistant map for airplane travel, which is the same map that flat earthers use.
It has both sides of the globe represented, which are declaring that it is a projection of the globe earth onto a 2D map. You can clearly see the continent of Antarctica on the bottom of the globes in white.
This close-up shows you that the globe declares the continent of Antarctica and the South Pole; and then again on the projection map. It is declaring that the outside line is the South Pole. It’s clearly telling you that the continent of Antarctica on the globe earth is represented as the white ring on the projection map.
On the bottom left of the map is a guide to the distances between meridian (N-S) lines. The distance increases up to the equator, and then decrease at the same rate to the South Pole. It’s declaring that though on the projection map it appears that the distances are become greater (because the southern hemisphere is flared out so that you can see it on a 2D projection map), that in fact they are getting smaller because the earth is globe-shaped.
This Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe.
Notice that it doesn’t have an ice wall! That is because they didn’t include the continent of Antarctica, because it is so greatly distorted.
Here is the call out box on the top right:
It says “Since it is impossible to spread the surface of a globe on a flat surface without distortion, all maps are distorted in some respects. In this map the distortion occurs in the east and west distances. This distortion increases gradually from the North Pole to the Equator, and then quite rapidly to the outer limits. The distortion of the Antarctic areas would be so great that these are not shown.”
So they didn’t even include the supposed ‘ice wall’, because it’s not an ice wall; it’s the continent of Antarctica, which is greatly distorted by the algorithm used to make the projection map. Since Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way for the program to render it was to stretch it out as a circle. The outer circle is the South Pole. The continent has been inverted.
To prove that the supposed ice wall is really the distorted and inverted continent of Antarctica, here is an image that has the outer white ring and the continent of Antarctica.
The image keeps the land mass around the outside edge, and has the continent of Antarctica in the middle, as that is what is on the bottom of the globe. The land mass is exaggerated, as the outside ring representation is exaggerated. The continent is inverted to match the inverted outer circle, as the equidistant view is from the top down.
Look at the left side of the continent, which is small compared to the right side. That matches the thin land mass of the left, compared to the right. Now look at the peninsula on the left lower side at 240 degrees. It matches the peninsula on Antarctica.
The top of the circle is very thin and has a recess. That matches the curvature of the top of Antarctica.
On the bottom right at 110 degrees, there is a small indentation. That matches the bay on the southeast part of Antarctica.
Let’s take it one step further. The bottom left red line shows that the meridian lines runs from the bay of Antarctica through South America. The bottom left red lines shows that the meridian line runs from the small bay runs through Asia. The top red line shows that the meridian line runs from the other large bay in between North America and Russia.
The azimuthal equidistant map projection is only a tool, to help determine distances and flight maps on a globe earth.
Every time a flat-earther posts an explanation about direct airplane flights that they say is wrong on a globe earth; they are using this equidistant map, which is a globe map. Or worse, they use a Mercator projection map.
Flat earthers take words out of context to say that the Bible declares a flat earth.
They cite the words “pillars of the earth” to proclaim that the flat earth sit on top of pillars.
“He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and he hath set the world upon them.” 1 Samuel 2:8
Read 1 Samuel 2:2-7, 9-10; you see that the word ‘pillars’ is referring to leaders of the earth, not physical pillars that support the flat earth.
Just like the saying that someone is a ‘pillar in the community’, it is declaring they are a strong leader. The context is clearly about Elohim raising seemingly lowly people and making them the leaders of the earth. It is not talking about the design of the physical earth!
Flat earthers say that the ‘circle‘ in Isaiah 40:22 is declaring a flat circle earth.
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.
And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19
He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the heavenly circle, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.
Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21
Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32
The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.
We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the celestial sphere (circle) of the stars of the Mazzoroth.
Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26
“He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4
So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.
The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”
Stop manipulating the Word of Elohim! Read Biblical Proofs Of The Flat Earth Deception.
One of the most misleading things that proponents of the flat earth say is to ‘use your perspective as proof‘.
The challenge is that we are a small human on a large earth, so our perception is distorted.
We can only see so wide and far, so staring at a horizon that is only a few miles wide, we cannot see the curvature.
Flatearthers posts pictures from airplanes which seem to have a straight horizon, but when you put a line across the photo, you can see the curvature. In this image you can see the line is level with the horizon at the airplane pillar, and that there is a gap on the left and right side.
On this picture the red line is level on the left side, but you can clearly see the gap on the right side.
On this picture the red line is even on the sides, and you can see the curve of the earth in the center.
Flatearthers counter by claiming that airplanes have curved glass that distorts the horizon.
Do you really think that airplanes would have glass in the cockpit that distorts the pilots view?
Does the windshield in your car cause the horizon to curve? No!
Flat-earthers push aside the witness and photos of countless astronomers throughout the years and around the world, who have taken pictures of the planets and distant galaxies.
They proclaim that there are no real planets, and that they are just projections or lights. There are astronomy clubs at many schools and astronomy groups in most major cities, who take pictures of the moon, stars, planets and distant galaxies. There is just no way that all of that is a conspiracy to hide the flat earth theory.
You can buy phone apps that show you where to look in the sky for planets, so that you know where to look with your optical telescope.
You can visit astronomy clubs and they will let you look through their optical telescopes, to see the planets and distance galaxies for yourself. There is simply no excuse for this laziness!
Read Astronomy Proves The Flat Earth Deception.
Flat earthers push aside the witness of people who work in companies that use satellites.
They proclaim that there are no satellites, but that everything is done through cables or ground-based antennas.
- Meteorologists around the world use satellites to show storms like hurricanes.
- Hughes Satellite internet service can’t work with cables or land-based antennas, as the locations that receive the signals are too remote.
- Navstar GPS works in remote areas through satellites.
- Look at a house with the Dish Network, Echostar, DirectTV. What direction is the dish pointed to? The sky!!!
- Look at a remote-location TV news crew, where is their dish pointed to? The sky!
- Sirius radio provides signals to you when you are far away from ground based antennas
- Look at remote military units and military facilities to see where their dishes are pointed to. The sky!
To deny satellites is to deny the existence of a space program covering the US, EU, Russia, China, India, Brazil, employing tens of millions of people and spending tens of billions of dollars a year, putting satellites in orbit, sending probes everywhere, creating the GPS system, satellite TV, etc.
It would mean that all of that is faked, on an ongoing basis, and none of these tens of millions of people has ever exposed the lie. Read Satellites Prove The Flat Earth Deception.
They push aside the many people who have been to Antarctica as a researcher or tourist.
Flat earthers proclaim that the ice ring is protected so that nobody can see the end of the flat earth. But that is ludicrous as people visit every year for research and for tourism.
Read Antarctica Proves The Flat Earth Deception
So why is the flat earth a topic these days?
More and more people on Facebook and YouTube are promoting the flat earth theory, with ridiculous explanations that prove nothing. Many of these people expose other conspiracies that have been foisted upon us; and they expose the truth about the Father and Son’s true names, about the Holy Feast Days, corrupt Bibles, etc.
So I believe that the enemy is getting them to believe in the flat-earth theory, so that others will discount all that they are proclaiming. It’s called a PSYOP, a Psychological Operation.
I think that flat-earthers are going to make everyone so tired of hearing about it, that people will not seek any of the truths that they share. Many of them opening condemn everyone who doesn’t believe it, calling them fools and globeheads.
The story that Christians believed in a flat earth until Columbus’ time, and for some time thereafter, began as part of a fictional story that was elevated to historical fact by late 19th-century Darwinists who used it primarily as a means to ridicule Christians. Sadly that appears to be happening again, as truthers who proclaim the flat earth are being ridiculed.
I hope that this page has helped to open your eyes to the truth, that the earth is a globe.
If you have some insight to prove that what I have shown is not correct, please comment below. If you just want to make statements, without any proof; or if you just want to make accusations against me; then your comment may not be added to the discussion.
David
p.s. My explanations are logical, and are based on what we can see. I don’t offer scientific explanations, because that is not my strength. Sadly, I see flat earthers mocking scientific explanations about the globe earth, but giving really unscientific answers.
I would greatly value a response to Edward Hendrie’s book, “The Greatest Lie on Earth: Proof that Our World is Not a Moving Globe”. It carries considerable more thought, science, math and research than Facebook memes. There is systematic evidence laid out, one on top of another, that I am having trouble finding credible refutations for.
I suppose the possibility exists that FE is a psyops. But from my own digging there seem holes on both sides (globe or flat). We like to believe what we believe. Changing our mind is the ultimate repentance, and usually comes at a cost and with a fight.
Lastly, I am disheartened by the vitriol and name calling on both sides of the issue, but I see it more from the globe camp. This is standard operating procedure from nonbelievers, but to see it from self-professed believers is repugnant. If we would be honest, this topic is bigger than canned answers and quick points of reference. Most of the things that can be “proved” can be “disproved” and “evidence” abounds on both sides of the fence. Is it worth casting slurs at one another because we believe differently? Our Savior hung on the Cross and raised from the grave whether the earth was round or flat. This is our common faith.
Am I “deceived” if I believe the earth is a sphere? Am I “deceived” if I don’t? Neither thoughts affect my salvation, and I’d like the freedom to consider the various truths and points of evidence without being considered crazy, or stupid, or deceived. It is possible the earth is flat, and some theories of the details are wrong — they still need to be worked out. Clearly much of the globe earth’s “scientific data” is unprovable — quite possibly flat out wrong — and yet is believed and unquestioned. No one has cornered the truth, regardless of what circumstantial evidence is presented.
Rowbotham’s 1881 study on lighthouses and the missing evidence of curvature has been criticized, yes, but his findings have not been overturned. Even his critics came away shaking their heads and agreeing at least that his study and conclusions were honest and they could not refute them — yet continued to believe what they wanted to believe.
Jon McIntyre’s three mountain experiment to prove the earth’s curvature was debunked by his own camera, and he came away scratching his head wondering why it didn’t work. But he was honest enough to admit the evidence pointed to a flat earth, even though he still didn’t believe it. He even took on Metabunk who printed lies about the entire experiment (in defense of a globe) because of the lack of integrity they exhibited.
My point is this: there is clearly evidence for a flat earth. The details may not be accurate concerning the sun, moon orbits, or some other details. But the questions raised are no different in scope than those raised of the unconfirmed data points of a globe. For some reason, globe believers are not considered crazy or idiots for their beliefs — though many of them have been debunked (think NASA and globe photos, etc,). I think honesty would be to allow research to develop and open minds to be used. It is quite possible neither “theory” will be proven before the Lord’s return. It would be a shame for Him to find His children slandering one another in the meantime.
You want a response to a 696 page book? My response is that Edward Hendrie is a very smart, Jesuit-trained deceiver. He grew up a Catholic. He attended Notre Dame and a Jesuit law school.
The Jesuits of Rome are the ruling power in the end times. They are the enemy of Messiah and His saints, and of the whole world! http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-earth-beast-of-revelation-13-jesuit-generals-of-rome/
He gives some truth, and overwhelms you with information, that seems to back up his explanations.
He covers the same basic talking points as other flat earthers, which can be proven as false; such as “If the earth were a globe, airliners would not be able to fly on a flat and level path. Any pilot will tell you that once a plane gets to its cruising altitude, the pilot “levels off” and flies in a straight and level path. Indeed, the pilot uses the horizon to ensure that the plane is flying level.”
Pilots use the artificial horizon gauge, which points them to the horizon of the curved Earth. As long as they point to the horizon, they will maintain the same altitude over the curved Earth.
He says that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection is a flat-earth map, but I have proved that it is a 2D globe map.
I can’t duplicate Rowbotham or McIntyre’s experiments, so they prove nothing to me. I can see the direct relationship of the sun and moon causing the phases of the moon, proving that the moon is a ball that is illuminated by the sun.
I can see that the sun does not rise due East on the Equinox.
I can see that the sun and moon rise at full size from below the horizon; instead of appearing as a small dot over the horizon, which grows bigger as it moves towards us.
My point: there is clear evidence that the sun and moon can’t work properly on the flat earth model.
You mentioned Messiah’s return, and I dare say that most people, flat earthers and globers, do not understand prophecy fulfillment, so they do not know where we are at on the Revelation fulfillment timeline, so they do not know the context of His return. That information seems more important to me than the shape of the earth.
If people knew the fulfillment of Revelation, they could prove that the Elohim of the Holy Scriptures is the one true Elohim. Proving that the earth is flat does not, in itself, prove that the God of the Bible is the creator.
Here is a summary of the fulfillment of Revelation, that shows you what has already been fulfilled, where we are at on the fulfillment timeline, and what will happen next as we await Messiah’s return. http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/revelation-fulfillment-timeline-summary/
Thanks for your reply, David. Help me out here: Edward Hendrie has written “Murder, Rape and Torture in a Catholic Nunnery”, “Bloody Zion: Refuting the Jewish Fables that Sustain Israel’s War”, “Solving the Mystery of Babylon the Great” (in which he details the Jews’ link to the Papacy), and “Anti Christ: the Beast Revealed” — all subjects in which he links end times with Zionism and the Papacy/RCC. From what I understand, he considers himself an ex-catholic and had a conversion to Christ. Can you prove your assertions? Otherwise, it reads as slander/libel…
I asserted that the claims of flat earth that have yet to adequately been disproven (curvature, water remains level, flat horizon, etc.) lead to the conclusion that the earth is not a sphere, but I equally asserted that perhaps not all the FE’s theories have been worked out (moon, sun, stars orbits…).
I truly am not being contentious here, I am genuinely seeking truth. Not every FE proponent has made the assertions that are being argued (sun appearing as a dot — I most certainly have not said that and have heard FE-ers debunk that).
My real point is: what is the harm at looking at the FE evidence and argument? Why is it so caustic for believers to part ways over? There are literally hundreds if not thousands of doctrinal differences among believers, and (hopefully) we’re all on a path to seek and find God. If our paths aren’t at the same point, why does it have to be? Why can’t I consider all data being presented? Why am I the fool if my understanding of the data isn’t the same as yours? I’ll be honest with you, from my own five senses, the flat earth makes more sense to me. That’s not to say I believe FE at this point, but if I have eyes, a genius IQ (seriously), am well-educated, and have walked with God over 30 years, teach and preach and write, can I come to a different conclusion than you do without being slandered, ridiculed, mocked, scorned, called names, regarded an idiot or uneducated, or a false brethren?
There’s a good chance we’re all wrong! There’s a chance parts of the sphere data points are right and parts of the flat earth data points are right. There has to be grace here on something that should NEVER divide the Body of Christ. That’s my real point, I guess.
I understand what you’re saying Elaine, Edward Hendrie gives a lot of high level information, but ultimately points the finger at the Jews, not the Jesuit General as the earth beast of Revelation 13. That’s what a disinformation agent does. He gets you to trust him by sharing a lot of truths, only to mislead you with disinformation.
It is not slander or libel that I think that he is wrong about the flat earth, it is my opinion. I have the right to say that I don’t trust him. I have seen some of his explanations on the flat earth, which I mentioned in my last email, and I can prove that they are wrong.
I have looked at the FE evidence, lots of it! Sorry, I don’t have time to read a 696 page book, especially since I have already proven that the main talking points that flat earthers make, are false.
As for being caustic, try reading the posts and comments in the Flat Earth groups on Facebook, they mock people over and over, even Christian FE groups.
We don’t have to agree. I’m not forcing my opinion on anyone. I’m simply sharing what I have found to be true in my research about the flat vs. globe earth.
There is a lot of disagreement in the flat earth camp, because no real scientists are proving anything out. It’s just a bunch of people making up theories.
Meanwhile, there’s thousands of years of people proclaiming, measuring and validating, the globe earth.
If you’re really looking for the truth, there is plenty of evidence on this website that proves that the earth is not flat.
Thank you again. I appreciate your time and thoughts. God bless.
You seem like a sharp, well-researched person Elaine, I hope that you find the truth about the design of the Earth. May the Father bless you in your search for truth!
Thanks for good article David. I have yet to hear any flat-earther explain why we have noon and midnight at the same time – daylight and darkness at the same time (couldnt find it in your text either). Hence the earth must have at least “two sides”
And if the earth is flat – come on – why doesnt someone just hire a private jet and a camera and go “over the boarder” of the earth and show it – it’s not that far – or are they seriously afraid they gonna crash into the wall??
Elaine, I fully understand your view. You ask, ‘am I deceived if I believe one or the other’. Well I have been told straight that if I believe in the globe earth then I do not believe the Word of God. Well, I believe that I am born again, I believe in the work my savior did for me on the cross, I believe I have eternal life, I believe in everything the Word of God says is provided for me by Christ’s sacrifice. The Word says, “study to show yourself approved.” But do I ‘fully’ understand the Bible yet? Do I know everything there is to know in the Bible yet? Does anyone? Just about every week I learn something new from the Word and I have been a Christian for fifty two years! Now, I have studied the so called ‘proof texts’ that the FE people give, and really, I do not see how they can get to their ideas, but, I do not really care. My salvation is not based on whether the earth is round, or square, or triangular, or flat. The problem is this, all Christians are not at the same maturity, some have been on the path for decades and are probably as mature as you would get a Christian. But some are new, they are babes in Christ, they grab any kind of sweet they see if it looks and sounds ‘Biblical’. Now say they hear this Flat Earth story, and they are told it is Biblical, and furthermore if they don’t believe it they are being deceived by the devil. The day will probably come when they are faced with absolute proof that the earth is in fact round. What does that do to a babe in Christ? The possibility exists that they will dump Christianity because the inerrant Bible they were taught to believe in cannot be trusted! My view point is this; if I read that the Bible says the sky is green, and I go outside and see that the sky is in fact blue, where does the problem lie? DEFINITELY NOT WITH THE BIBLE, but rather with my interpretation of the Bible.
David, thank you for your website. I am of the opinion that Flat Earth has become a religion. The people who believe in flat earth have a tremendous amount of faith in their belief. I have tried to reason with some, telling them that I have been willing to investigate their so called proofs, but when I tell them that their proofs are so easily debunked they turn on me like rabid animals calling me a Globetard and worse. They would turn a blind eye and not even consider any proofs for a globe earth. To them we are the deceived, the deluded, the ones who reject the veracity of the Holy Word of God.
I am saddened when I think of innocents who have been sucked into this heresy, this is ‘easy believeism’ at it’s worst.
Thank you for your comment Dupart! One of the main reasons for posting my findings on this websites, is to help people who are searching for truth, find it. Because trying to reason with flat earthers on Facebook is near impossible. It’s really sad to see some good people, who are exposing truths in other area, be deceived by the enemy’s PSYOP, to cause them to lose credibility with their family and friends!
@Torpex You mention the devil, do you know where that originated? It was taken from the Hebrew Bible originally “Belial” Which means worthless, this was later a personification used in both Jewish and Christian religion for the devil, so the devil is make believe. Also the name Jesus was the pagan name given to him, this is why some christianized Jews refere to God as Yahweh, Jesus was of a Virgin birth, was dead for 3 days and nights then resurrected, this is sun God worship, there are a few pagan gods that went through this exact same process, another thing, Jesus was not the christ, the word christ is a title, it means the anointed one, anointing is reserved for God, only God can anoint someone and no-one knows what anointing realy is, many say it’s pouring oil on the head and/or feet and it’s only performed once, yet if you read the Bible Jesus was anointed by women and on more than one occasion so he wasn’t the real messiah. Real Jews don’t believe in Jesus at all, you should read the book “26 reasons why Jews don’t believe in Jesus”
Your worshiping a false idol, when you should be worshiping the true creator God, don’t you follow the commandments? Thought shalt not have any other gods before me, Jesus claimed to be God, but before that he wanted people to communicate with God through him, like a mediator, the true God makes it clear in the 10 commandments not to do this.
David,
I just wanted to comment to say, first of all, Thank You for putting together a cogent response to the Flat Earth argument from a faith-based point of view. As an atheist, I have commonly been ignored/ridiculed/shouted down when attempting to engage in the topic with flat-earthers, simply because I was either an “outsider,” or because I don’t “speak the lingo,” no matter how patient I have attempted to be.
I did want to point out an oddity in your presentation, though. You state in your conclusion:
“p.s. My explanations are logical, and are based on what we can see. I don’t offer scientific explanations, because that is not my strength.”
However, your entire approach here has been a scientific one. “Science” is not some haughty pursuit available only to those within some secret circle. It is simply the pursuit of knowledge by anyone who follows a vigorous approach which is testable and repeatable. Here, you have formed a hypothesis (the earth is a globe), presented your vast amount of evidence, which was both copious and multi-disciplined (operational, observational, mathematical) which advanced and supported your hypothesis to a viable theory, and have invited others to test your data and offer rebuttal.
All of the above steps are the very essence of science. One does not have to have an advanced degree to pursue science, and I have to disagree with your assertion: science is indeed “your strength,” at least in this case.
Finally, you have even taken the extra step of not only offering your data, but also included your methodology (how you gathered your data). Including this information allows your article to meet the composition standards of any scientific journal (if not your editorial style). The only time you stray from a scientific model is your section attempting to explain why people assert the flat-earth model. I’m afraid this wandered into the “unsupported allegations” territory… but that does not really detract from the data presented above it.
My personal recommendations for your future articles: Keep up the rigor you have included here, and avoid unsupported ad-hominem statements, and don’t denigrate yourself (humility is a good trait, but in this case allows for a perceived opening for an ad-hominem attack on yourself).
And, once again, Thank You. I will be linking this page the next time a theologically-based argument for flat-earth is placed before me.
Thank you for commenting Jason, I appreciate your insight!
@Torpex REAL RESEARCH? You mean like this guy? https://youtu.be/AcdBFfoi3uU but we all know you’ll have some crazy idea why buildings cant be seen in that video, more made up nonsense like how you prove earths flatness using a dun, dun, duuun fish eye lense with the horizon below the centre of the viewfinder, this makes the earth look flat and the further down the horizon is in the viewfinder, the more the curve of the earth start to move upwards at the edges, flat earth is a huge hoax.
I think someone mentioned admiral Byrd here, so lets have a look see what he says in this full video of his activity on the Antarctica continent https://youtu.be/kgDscp82ggE this is not a chopped video to decieve people, like flat earthers use.
I’ve been looking at FE for a couple months now, trying to sort it out and figure out what I believe. What I have found astonishing is the nonbelievers and atheists that are coming to Christ after researching FE and believing it. I don’t know if that says anything specific, but it does say SOMEthing… David Murphy was an atheist for forty years, until he dug into FE. There have been a lot of testimonies from nonbelievers as well. I just wonder why a study of the shape of the earth is leading people (who find the FE evidence more believable) to salvation?
Thank you for your comment Elaine! I would suppose that people are coming to Messiah because they starting paying attention to the amazing creation around us. For people who believe in the heliocentric model, the design is just as amazing. Everything is so precise; the size and distance of the sun and moon; the moon causing the tides to change; the angle of the earth creating the seasons; the ecliptic on which the stars, planets and sun travel; the glory of a super moon rising up over the horizon, the amazing sun of a solar eclipse which is coming up in August over the U.S., etc. People just take the design for granted, so hopefully there is a huge awakening going on in these last days.
Hi David, not here for an argument. I’m a Flat Earther, I will not try to convince anyone, just point them to what I see as the Truth and if it turns out to to false, I would apologize.
My question is since we both believe we are saved and believe the Bible, how do you explain away the many truths that we read in the Word.
Hi Ryan, why would I have to explain away the truths? You seem to proclaiming that the Bible is describing a flat earth, and that I have to explain those verses.
The irony is that it is flat-earthers who need to explain why they take verses out of context, to try to justify the flat earth. Here is my study about the verses that flat earthers cite.
http://flatearthdeception.com/biblical-proofs-of-the-globe-earth/
This site has the most info to refute a flat earth I have yet seen!
I have debated the flat-earthers several times using similar arguments to those listed above. At least the ones I think they can understand or see with their own eyes. Some of these people are outright hostile and some just have no understanding of what’s in front of them. Some of them think the earth is stationary. I’ve asked some of them how thick a flat earth is but have never gotten an answer. I’ve asked some of them how can you fly a plane in a straight line and end up where you started. No answers. I’ve asked some seemingly intelligent people how come gravity acts as a straight down force no matter where you are. No answers.
I can only think the god of this world has so blinded their minds that they believe a lie. One wonders what else they might believe.
Thank you for your comment Sam! I’m not really scientifically-minded, so the Spirit has shown me logical proofs which we can see. I created the website because so many of my Facebook friends were falling for the flat earth PSYOP. As I find more simple, logical proofs, I keep adding them to the website. Keep teaching truth brother!
It’s funny ,they give us the maths to work out the earths curviture ,but when you put it into practice in the real world it do not work ,60 miles across water over 1400 ft drop ,yet I can see land across that 1400?ft drop ,Argo flat no curve ,repeatable ,observable ,testable ,real science ,proves flat ,water allways flat in a contained environment ,sea level ,not sea curvature ,
Rory, Just posting these numbers proves nothing! How about giving real information. Which is the location of where you are standing? Are you on the shore? What land can you see across the water?
Why does no one ever use foucaults pendulum as proof for the globe? It’s a simple physics experiment that would not work on flat earth.
Mario, maybe someone has done that on YouTube, I’ll take a look.