If you’re a flat earther, have you studied the context of the Bible verses which are being cited to proclaim “the Bible says flat earth”?
This book goes through all 240 verses that people like Nathan Roberts cite, to show you the proper context; because if you’re promoting this list, then you’re accountable for the explanations.
It gives a fresh perspective about the ‘firmament‘ of Genesis; the ‘circle‘ of Isaiah 40:22; the clay turned to the ‘seal‘ in Job 38:13-14; the ‘pillars‘ of 1 Samuel 2:8; the sun going forth in his ‘circuit‘ of Psalms 19:6; and much more.
If you know someone who believes that the Scriptures describes a domed, flat earth; it will help you understand their rationale in citing these verses.
If you’re a believer who’s researching the flat earth, this book is critical for you.
If you believe in the heliocentric universe, have you read what Moses, Job, David, and Isaiah; declared about the earth, the sun, and the stars? The Bible describes a sun that moves in a circuit, which has been stopped, and has been moved back. And it describes an earth that is fixed. The Bible is purely geocentric, and there is no Scriptural justification for the heliocentric model.
The Bible also describes the lower circular layers which hold back the fountains of the deep; the spherical layers of atmosphere around the globe earth; the constellations on the ecliptic which encircles the globe earth; and the celestial sphere of stars which surround the globe earth as a tent, as a tabernacle.
The enemy is hiding the geocentric globe earth universe with the false narratives of the heliocentric universe and the flat earth model.
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The stars in the southern hemisphere prove that the earth is a globe.
On the flat earth model, if people in Australia, South Africa and South America, were all facing South, they would be facing opposite directions, so there’s no way that they can all see Sigma Octantis in the Octans constellation, which does not move. Yet people in those three Southern Hemisphere continents can look south and see stars circling around the south celestial pole.
This proves that the north and south celestial pole stars are at the top and bottom of the celestial sphere, and the other stars are circling the globe Earth.
Flat-earthers proclaim that this is possible because when people are looking south, they’re seeing a reflection off of the glass dome of the stars in the northern hemisphere.
But that is a false explanation, as the stars in the northern hemisphere are different than the stars in the southern hemisphere. Here are the constellations in the northern hemisphere.
Here are the constellations in the southern hemisphere.
Question for flat earthers: What is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes its path, to move from the larger circle of the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 mile circumference) to the much smaller circle of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 mile circumference)?
And what is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes speed from 1,322 MPH on the larger circle to 771 MPH on the smaller circle, to complete exactly one revolution per day?
Please comment below. Thank you!
Note: the numbers for the tropics are based on the supposed flat earth map, not on the globe. The supposed flat earth map is distorted, as it’s a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe earth. So though the Tropics on the globe earth have a circumference of 22,847 miles, on the flat earth map they are distorted. Using the equator as a baseline at 24,901 miles in circumference; the numbers of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 miles) and the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 miles) are based on the geometry of the azimuthal projection; not the actual globe.
After a lot of research, I believe that the enemy has created a deception regarding the design of the universe.
The Illuminati card game has a Flat Earth card that says “People laugh, but the flat earthers know something”. What flat earthers know is that the earth isn’t flying through space orbiting the sun. Astronomers and scientists have not proved that the Earth is moving.
And from our Earthly perspective, the planets and stars appear the same regardless of whether it’s the Copernican heliocentric view or the Tychonic geocentric view.
The deception is that the enemy has caused people to promote the heliocentric view based on philosophy, to not involve a Creator in the explanation of the design of the universe. And that led to the big bang theory, the theory of evolution, etc.; all of which steals glory from our Creator, and deceives people.
It wasn’t until scientific probes produced data about the radiation of the expanding universe, and the orientation of the quasars and radio galaxies; that researches were able to see that all of those things were pointing back to Earth as the center of the universe.
These findings were published in a book titled ‘Geocentrism 101 – An Introduction into the Science of Geocentric Cosmology‘ in 2013, and then explained in a movie called The Principle in late 2014.
Then shortly afterward the flat earth theory was aggressively pushed on YouTube and Facebook, to try to cover over the evidence, and to cause people to dismiss anyone who teaches that the Earth is geocentric.
The enemy has created a false dichotomy, so that the debate is between the geocentric flat earth vs. the heliocentric globe earth; so that people don’t consider the third option, that of the geocentric globe earth.
It puts the Earth at the center of the universe, proving a Designer/Creator, and explains why stars perfectly circle the Earth; while maintaining the laws of physics of the globe earth and the surrounding elaborate universe, which is a precision time-piece. Please read the geocentric Earth page, to see the scientific research that proves that we are at the center of the universe.
I’m not declaring that the earth is geocentric, as I can’t prove it scientifically; but when you look at how Bible verses seem to point to a geocentric earth, it’s an option that we need to consider. Read through the website, and you decide.
If you’re a flat-earther, you can decide to click away, thinking that you know the truth; but I would hope that your goal is to find the whole truth, not to defend a position.
People like Nathan Roberts and Rob Skiba point to Bible verses which they proclaim prove that the earth is flat; but the verses are taken out of context, and some of them prove that the earth is a globe.
Please read this Biblical Proofs Of The Geocentric Globe Earth study and decide for yourself.
Why would the enemy create the flat earth deception? Because most flat earthers are sharing truth in other areas, whether it’s about coming out of churchianity, about the Illuminati and their agenda, etc.; so by getting them to believe in the flat earth, they cause family and friends to stop listening to all that they teach.
On this page I will address the major challenges that I’ve found with the flat earth theory, which are explained in more detail on the other pages.
Here’s a video from the Geographic South Pole, looking straight up, which proves that the earth is not flat.
We can see the perfect circle of stars which is only possible on the globe earth, as no point on the supposed ice ring would show the stars circling overhead.
Here’s a video of a 5-day time-lapse from March 8-13, 2017, taken from the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station, which proves that the earth is not flat.
Airplane Video Proves Sun Is Not 3,000 Miles Above The Flat Earth
This observation is impossible on a Flat Earth with a Sun 3000 Miles above. We can clearly see the Sun on the Horizon from 43,000 ft. The clouds beneath us are illuminated from below but are dark on top.
This geometry is impossible on a Flat Earth. Of course – it works just fine on a Globe.
The Nikon P900 camera debunks the flat earth.
This video shows one ship that is moored near the horizon line, and the distant ship behind it which is well below the horizon; proving the curvature of the earth.
Some flat earthers commented that you should see the distant ship ’tilting’ if the Earth is curved, but the distance equates to only .23 degrees of tilt, which is not perceivable.
Sorry Flat Earthers The Equinox Geometry does NOT work on a Flat Earth.
The Flat Earth fails to explain the real observations we can make on the Equinox twice per year.
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A commercial pilot who is based out of Australia, who makes international flights in the southern hemisphere, shows that flat earthers cannot produce a legitimate pilots flight plan.
The video description says: A message to Flat Earthers. If you can’t show me a map that works and you can’t tell me how to navigate precisely around the real Earth you are wasting your time telling me the Earth is Flat. I can and do navigate precisely around the real Earth and I have been doing this safely for over 30 years using the Globe. Time to start producing real results guys. The same old nonsense arguments won’t cut it here any longer.
Flat earthers misrepresent the size of the sun, to proclaim that it gets smaller as it sets.
Here’s one of Wolfie6020‘s short videos where he used two cameras to record at the same time, one with a solar filter, one without.
This video shows how the size of the sun in the hazy sky changes as the camera automatically adjusts.
Flat earthers tell us to trust our perspective, but when we do that, we see that the sun and moon do not line up with the flat earth theory.
Flat earthers proclaim that the moon is a flat disc, but that simply cannot be true.
This is so easily disproved, that it’s nonsensical for flat earthers to proclaim it.
The shadows on the moon prove that it is being illuminated from an external light source.
Flat earthers cite Genesis 1:16 and say the the world ‘light‘ means that the moon is self-illuminated.
“And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”
The Hebrew word for ‘light’ points to a luminous body. It does not say that it provides its own illumination. ma’owr; properly, a luminous body or luminary, i.e. (abstractly) light (as an element): figuratively, brightness, i.e.cheerfulness; specifically, a chandelier:—bright, light.
Of course they have no way to scientifically explain how the moon illuminates itself, like we do for the Sun. And they cannot explain how the moon changes its illumination so that we see crescent moons and half moons.
It’s impossible for people on the flat earth model to see the same side of the moon.
We would see different sides of the moon, on the flat earth model.
The sun and moon do not vanish as a small dot over the horizon; but rather, they rise up from under the horizon and set below the horizon.
On the flat earth, objects that are moving away would simply grow smaller and disappear at the vanishing point, but they would always stay above the horizon. But every day we see the Sun rise up from under the horizon, and set down below the horizon.
It’s impossible for the sun to rise due East and set due West on the Equinox days.
The sun does not rise and set at the proper locations on the flat earth model.
The paths of the 2017 and 2024 solar eclipses across the United States are impossible to explain on the flat earth model.
There is no scientific explanation for the solar eclipse on the flat earth model, and we can clearly see that the path of the eclipse across the United States, cannot match up with the circular path of the flat earth sun.
How do flat earthers scientifically predict upcoming solar and lunar eclipses? They don’t! There is no scientific data which shows what causes the eclipses (many flat earthers say that the moon doesn’t cause the solar eclipse), and when they will happen.
The Spring and Fall Equinox is a great time to prove whether the earth is flat or a globe.
Geodetic surveying shows that angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that Earth is curved. This is called ‘spherical excess’.
Flat earthers push aside 100’s of years worth of measurements that have been recorded by geodesic surveyors all over the earth.
These surveyors have painstakingly taken measurements from point to point, and using geometry and triangulation, have determined the size of continents, and the shape of the earth. Triangulation on a flat earth would yield 180 degree sums, but surveyors have found that the sums are greater than 180 degrees, which proves the arc of the earth. Read Geodesy Proof Of The Flat Earth Deception.
One of the biggest perspective problems is that flat earthers are applying the 8″ per mile squared earth curvature formula to wrong line.
The 8″ per mile squared calculation does not measure the curvature of the line of sight, your horizon line; it extends far beyond what you can see.
Let’s apply this to a picture to see the difference between the level line and the horizon line.
Here is the Earth’s Curve Horizon, Bulge, Drop, and Hidden Calculator, which people use to try to prove that the earth isn’t curved. This is the default setting of the globe earth with a radius of 3,959 miles, which shows that if your view height is 6 feet, then your horizon line is 3 miles away. And that’s pretty much what we see in real life.
Most photos from flat earthers are taken from an elevated position, which extends the horizon line; so just plug the estimated height of the elevated position into the Metabunk Earth’s Curve Formula, and you will see that the horizon line matches up; proving the curved Earth.
In the below calculation I used the Advanced option to add 7 zeroes after the planet radius, to mimic a planet that is so big that the flat top is bigger than the supposed flat earth. And it shows that if your view height is 6 feet, your horizon line is 9,482 miles away.
Now of course your eyes can’t see that far, but a good telescope would be able to see across the flat plain to be able to see that far. The point is that if the earth really were flat, then you would be able to see much, much further than 3 miles.
Californians should be able to see Hawaii with a telescope, or Mt. McKinley, which is 20,000 feet high. From atop of Pike Peaks, which is 14,000 feet high, I should be able to use a powerful telescope to see all of America.
But the reason that we can only see to the horizon line is because the earth is curved; you are seeing the bulge of the Earth.
Here is a more technical explanation of the Earth curvature formula, to see how it is being misapplied by flat earthers.
There are a lot of explanations on this website which counter the flat earth explanations, but first let’s set the record straight about the map that most flat-earthers are using.
The map that flat-earthers use actually represents the globe earth!
Before computers, mapping out airplane flight routes was a challenge, as they had to use a globe, or images of the northern and southern hemispheres, like these.
To resolve this problem they created the azimuthal equidistant map, which allowed them to see all of the continents on one 2D map.
In order to do this, the bottom half of the globe earth had to be flared out into the outer circles. On the north-polar azimuthal projection map the northern hemisphere is shown in the inner circle, and the southern hemisphere is shown in the flared out circle that surrounds it.
These maps can be centered from anywhere. If you were planning flights from London, you would center it on London. North-polar azimuthal projection maps were used during times of war, and the polar route is the shortest distance between countries.
Rendering a globe earth onto a 2D image always cause some distortion. On the azimuthal projection map, the further away the land mass is from the center point, the greater the distortion. This is why Australia looks so wide, as it’s been stretched.
Since the continent of Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way to graphically represent it on the north-polar azimuthal projection map is by turning it inside out, and spreading it out as a white ring on the outside edge.
The South Pole is graphically represented by the outside line of the map. You can see that the white ring has several bays that match up to the Ross Sea, which is close to New Zealand; and Weddell Sea, which is close to South America.
Below is a south-polar azimuthal equidistant projection map. You can see that Antarctica and Australia are now normal size, as they are close to the center point; but North America and Euro-Russia are very distorted. And you can see that the outside edge is blue, because opposite of the South Pole is water on the North Pole.
Here is a equidistant projection map that is centered on Santiago, Chile. North and South America are normal size, as is Antarctica, since they are close to the center point; but Euro-Russia is greatly distorted, so much so that it is graphically rendered as a ring around the outside edge (just like the north-polar map).
You can make your own azimuthal equidistant projection maps on this website. You just need to enter the location; such as 90N,0W for the north pole; and 90S, 0W for the south pole.
Here is a Hammond’s north-polar equidistant map for airplane travel, which is the same map that flat earthers use.
It has both sides of the globe represented, which are declaring that it is a projection of the globe earth onto a 2D map. You can clearly see the continent of Antarctica on the bottom of the globes in white.
This close-up shows you that the globe declares the continent of Antarctica and the South Pole; and then again on the projection map. It is declaring that the outside line is the South Pole. It’s clearly telling you that the continent of Antarctica on the globe earth is represented as the white ring on the projection map.
On the bottom left of the map is a guide to the distances between meridian (N-S) lines. The distance increases up to the equator, and then decrease at the same rate to the South Pole. It’s declaring that though on the projection map it appears that the distances are become greater (because the southern hemisphere is flared out so that you can see it on a 2D projection map), that in fact they are getting smaller because the earth is globe-shaped.
This Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe.
Notice that it doesn’t have an ice wall! That is because they didn’t include the continent of Antarctica, because it is so greatly distorted.
Here is the call out box on the top right:
It says “Since it is impossible to spread the surface of a globe on a flat surface without distortion, all maps are distorted in some respects. In this map the distortion occurs in the east and west distances. This distortion increases gradually from the North Pole to the Equator, and then quite rapidly to the outer limits. The distortion of the Antarctic areas would be so great that these are not shown.”
So they didn’t even include the supposed ‘ice wall’, because it’s not an ice wall; it’s the continent of Antarctica, which is greatly distorted by the algorithm used to make the projection map. Since Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way for the program to render it was to stretch it out as a circle. The outer circle is the South Pole. The continent has been inverted.
To prove that the supposed ice wall is really the distorted and inverted continent of Antarctica, here is an image that has the outer white ring and the continent of Antarctica.
The image keeps the land mass around the outside edge, and has the continent of Antarctica in the middle, as that is what is on the bottom of the globe. The land mass is exaggerated, as the outside ring representation is exaggerated. The continent is inverted to match the inverted outer circle, as the equidistant view is from the top down.
Look at the left side of the continent, which is small compared to the right side. That matches the thin land mass of the left, compared to the right. Now look at the peninsula on the left lower side at 240 degrees. It matches the peninsula on Antarctica.
The top of the circle is very thin and has a recess. That matches the curvature of the top of Antarctica.
On the bottom right at 110 degrees, there is a small indentation. That matches the bay on the southeast part of Antarctica.
Let’s take it one step further. The bottom left red line shows that the meridian lines runs from the bay of Antarctica through South America. The bottom left red lines shows that the meridian line runs from the small bay runs through Asia. The top red line shows that the meridian line runs from the other large bay in between North America and Russia.
The azimuthal equidistant map projection is only a tool, to help determine distances and flight maps on a globe earth.
Every time a flat-earther posts an explanation about direct airplane flights that they say is wrong on a globe earth; they are using this equidistant map, which is a globe map. Or worse, they use a Mercator projection map.
Flat earthers take words out of context to say that the Bible declares a flat earth.
They cite the words “pillars of the earth” to proclaim that the flat earth sit on top of pillars.
“He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and he hath set the world upon them.” 1 Samuel 2:8
Read 1 Samuel 2:2-7, 9-10; you see that the word ‘pillars’ is referring to leaders of the earth, not physical pillars that support the flat earth.
Just like the saying that someone is a ‘pillar in the community’, it is declaring they are a strong leader. The context is clearly about Elohim raising seemingly lowly people and making them the leaders of the earth. It is not talking about the design of the physical earth!
Flat earthers say that the ‘circle‘ in Isaiah 40:22 is declaring a flat circle earth.
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.
And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19
He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the heavenly circle, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.
Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21
Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32
The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.
We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the celestial sphere (circle) of the stars of the Mazzoroth.
Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26
“He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4
So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.
The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”
Stop manipulating the Word of Elohim! Read Biblical Proofs Of The Flat Earth Deception.
One of the most misleading things that proponents of the flat earth say is to ‘use your perspective as proof‘.
The challenge is that we are a small human on a large earth, so our perception is distorted.
We can only see so wide and far, so staring at a horizon that is only a few miles wide, we cannot see the curvature.
Flatearthers posts pictures from airplanes which seem to have a straight horizon, but when you put a line across the photo, you can see the curvature. In this image you can see the line is level with the horizon at the airplane pillar, and that there is a gap on the left and right side.
On this picture the red line is level on the left side, but you can clearly see the gap on the right side.
On this picture the red line is even on the sides, and you can see the curve of the earth in the center.
Flatearthers counter by claiming that airplanes have curved glass that distorts the horizon.
Do you really think that airplanes would have glass in the cockpit that distorts the pilots view?
Does the windshield in your car cause the horizon to curve? No!
Flat-earthers push aside the witness and photos of countless astronomers throughout the years and around the world, who have taken pictures of the planets and distant galaxies.
They proclaim that there are no real planets, and that they are just projections or lights. There are astronomy clubs at many schools and astronomy groups in most major cities, who take pictures of the moon, stars, planets and distant galaxies. There is just no way that all of that is a conspiracy to hide the flat earth theory.
You can buy phone apps that show you where to look in the sky for planets, so that you know where to look with your optical telescope.
You can visit astronomy clubs and they will let you look through their optical telescopes, to see the planets and distance galaxies for yourself. There is simply no excuse for this laziness!
Read Astronomy Proves The Flat Earth Deception.
Flat earthers push aside the witness of people who work in companies that use satellites.
They proclaim that there are no satellites, but that everything is done through cables or ground-based antennas.
- Meteorologists around the world use satellites to show storms like hurricanes.
- Hughes Satellite internet service can’t work with cables or land-based antennas, as the locations that receive the signals are too remote.
- Navstar GPS works in remote areas through satellites.
- Look at a house with the Dish Network, Echostar, DirectTV. What direction is the dish pointed to? The sky!!!
- Look at a remote-location TV news crew, where is their dish pointed to? The sky!
- Sirius radio provides signals to you when you are far away from ground based antennas
- Look at remote military units and military facilities to see where their dishes are pointed to. The sky!
To deny satellites is to deny the existence of a space program covering the US, EU, Russia, China, India, Brazil, employing tens of millions of people and spending tens of billions of dollars a year, putting satellites in orbit, sending probes everywhere, creating the GPS system, satellite TV, etc.
It would mean that all of that is faked, on an ongoing basis, and none of these tens of millions of people has ever exposed the lie. Read Satellites Prove The Flat Earth Deception.
They push aside the many people who have been to Antarctica as a researcher or tourist.
Flat earthers proclaim that the ice ring is protected so that nobody can see the end of the flat earth. But that is ludicrous as people visit every year for research and for tourism.
Read Antarctica Proves The Flat Earth Deception
So why is the flat earth a topic these days?
More and more people on Facebook and YouTube are promoting the flat earth theory, with ridiculous explanations that prove nothing. Many of these people expose other conspiracies that have been foisted upon us; and they expose the truth about the Father and Son’s true names, about the Holy Feast Days, corrupt Bibles, etc.
So I believe that the enemy is getting them to believe in the flat-earth theory, so that others will discount all that they are proclaiming. It’s called a PSYOP, a Psychological Operation.
I think that flat-earthers are going to make everyone so tired of hearing about it, that people will not seek any of the truths that they share. Many of them opening condemn everyone who doesn’t believe it, calling them fools and globeheads.
The story that Christians believed in a flat earth until Columbus’ time, and for some time thereafter, began as part of a fictional story that was elevated to historical fact by late 19th-century Darwinists who used it primarily as a means to ridicule Christians. Sadly that appears to be happening again, as truthers who proclaim the flat earth are being ridiculed.
I hope that this page has helped to open your eyes to the truth, that the earth is a globe.
If you have some insight to prove that what I have shown is not correct, please comment below. If you just want to make statements, without any proof; or if you just want to make accusations against me; then your comment may not be added to the discussion.
David
p.s. My explanations are logical, and are based on what we can see. I don’t offer scientific explanations, because that is not my strength. Sadly, I see flat earthers mocking scientific explanations about the globe earth, but giving really unscientific answers.
Hey David,
I thought I had commented on this page, but, apparently not. In keeping with simple, observable proofs, I would like to address the issue of earth (and all of our solar system/galaxy) traveling through space. I must first say that I cannot prove any of this any more than I can prove we are motionless. But, it is easy to realize other evidences that lend credibility to understanding these motions.
The reason we cannot “feel” the earth moving is the same reason we cannot feel a plane moving when we are aboard traveling at a constant (600) mph. Once the plane reaches that speed, the inertia of our bodies matches the plane’s. This is why we can easily “move about the cabin.” Despite traveling hundreds of mph, we can leave our seats and go to the restroom, the drink cart on wheels can remain stationary, etc. If another plane was traveling along side at the same speed, we could look over and waive at those passengers as they, too, move about their cabin. From the observers point of view in each plane, we all would appear to be motionless. Only if we can see the ground or clouds floating by as points of reference would we be able to tell we are moving at all.
Furthermore, the reason our feet and the drink cart stay planted firmly on the floor of the plane is gravity (or whatever you want to call it.) It is true that earth spins, and that it also travels through space at 1000’s of mph, and that our entire solar system spins along with the rest of the Milky Way, and that the Milky Way galaxy also moves through space. All of this is possible for one very simple reason… constancy. There is no acceleration or deceleration; it is all constant movement just like in a plane. At a constant speed, the only thing we would notice is turbulence (up/down, left/right forces) in a plane or like the way we feel the unevenness of the road in a car that is traveling at a constant speed. We can drink our coffee as we travel down the road at a constant (60)mph, but, just don’t hit a bump in the road or you will have hot coffee in your lap.
A spacecraft in orbit counteracts the gravity that keeps our feet on the floor of the plane. Having said that, and assuming there really is an ISS, this explains why things float in the weightless environment of the ISS because of the centrifugal force of the orbit. If you get far enough away from the earth, things float without the need of centrifugal force orbits. If the ISS stopped its orbit, astronauts would be stuck to the floor of the ISS (whichever side is pointing towards the earth); and the whole station would begin to fall towards the earth.
T.J.
David,
This is the first I’ve come across this website. Good stuff.
Gravity seems to be another issue for Flat Earthers because, if gravity exists, then a “globe Earth” is possible. The current explanation for why things fall “down” is due to density. A rock is denser than air so it will fall down. Also, a popular FE argument, if gravity exists, how can a bird or butterfly “defeat” gravity. Below is my standard response to the density argument. I have yet to get any kind of coherent retort to this argument from FE’ers.
“If density is what explains why things fall “down”; think about this;
In an ideal situation: you hold out a rock, you let it go. At that moment, the density of the air around it is the same in every direction. But the rock always falls toward the earth. If density is the only factor, why doesn’t the rock fall up sometimes or sideway?
Let’s take this one step further: We know that the air gets less dense as you go up in the atmosphere. So, it is denser near the surface. So, if you are holding that same rock and let it go, at that moment, the air below the rock is denser (ever so slight denser). So, if the air below the rock is denser, why doesn’t the rock fall up toward the less dense air? Why does the rock always fall down toward the earth? It’s because the earth has mass. A lot of mass.
The law of gravity shows us that gravity is dependent on the mass of the objects. Object attract each other because they have mass. So, why can a butterfly fly if the earth is so massive and the butterfly is so light. That is exactly why the butterfly can fly. A butterfly is so light, its wings can overcome the force of gravity. If you doubled the weight/mass of the butterfly it wouldn’t be able to fly.
The law of gravity mathematically shows the relationship of the force of gravity and mass of the objects. The Theory of gravity explains why this is.”
Thank you for your comment Vor! Yeah, flat earthers have to dismiss a lot of things, because they cause problems with their explanations. They proclaim that the moon is not illuminated by the sun, as it being illuminated by the sun does not work of the flat earth model. http://flatearthdeception.com/the-moon-proves-the-flat-earth-deception/
They proclaim that gravity doesn’t exist, because it points to the earth being a globe, and the mass of its core, attracting things to the center.
Instead of getting into a scientific debate about gravity vs. mass and density; I just focus on providing simple, observable proofs; which show that the earth is not flat.
Hi David, Nice website. I will admit, that since last year, I have been very interested in the Flat Earth information, and I admit I have no previous knowledge of the Globe Earth, other than like most people, you see Nasa footage and photos and so forth, so I went along in life, never questioning if its a globe, because..you just do. Anyway, the one thing that really struck a chord in me within many FE vids was the Earth curvature formula, which as you point out, the FE researchers are measuring the wrong line. I was actually just googling for that image of the curvature and measurements with distance, because I was wondering where the image came from – anyway, it brought me to your website. And I am glad it has. You have given excellent information and a new and accurate way to view things, which I appreciate. I was having a problem with the horizon also, as I noticed that I did sometimes have to drop my eyes to it, and that it doesn’t rise to my line of sight. As you have stated, the Earth Curvature formula is being done all wrong by FE researchers, if that is the case, that in itself blows the whole thing out of the very flat looking water! It was the one really bit aspect for me that drew me into the FE idea. You know, I wish there were more people like you, who could keep a cool head, and chat to people like Jeranism (a FE researcher – but has an open mind) I think if he knew he may even correct the mistake.. it could be a real changer. I know people view the FE thing as negative, but if anything, it has made me look a lot closer at where I live (Earth) and also makes me research and come across pages like yours, I have learned a lot, and I now do think that FE could be wrong because of the information you have provided. I do think its a shame people become very aggressive to FE researchers and followers, Nasa lie about many things, the distrust in them is what really pushes many people more and more into FE, me included. I dont mind if its a globe or flat, as long as I know – really know, and that is what FE has done, its made me search. Anyway ..hope my message makes sense. Hope you can get in touch with Jeran (Jeranism youtube channel) I would love to see what he says, he is always asking people who do understand its a globe to contact him. all the best.
Thank you for sharing your perspective Zoe! I live in Colorado, and the land is not really flat. But the next time I drive to New Mexico, where there are some flat plains, I’m going to take pictures of a few experiments. One of them is simply taking pictures using the iPhone App Theodolite, which shows you where the horizontal line projects out to.
I just finished reading a book called Geocentrism 101 and I believe that flat earthers do know something, that the earth is geocentric; and that there has been a huge cover-up, so that people don’t understand it.
That said, all of the research that is cited in the book, to prove that the sun revolves around the earth, also proves that it’s a globe earth.
Here’s a link to the book if you want to check it out. https://smile.amazon.com/Geocentrism-101-Introduction-Science-Paperback/dp/1939856531/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1518303520&sr=1-3
I also ordered “The Principle” DVD, which provides proof that the globe earth is geocentric. Here’s a link to that website. http://www.theprinciplemovie.com
What’s really interesting is that interest in the flat earth spiked after the movie documentary ‘The Principle‘ was released in October, 2014.
The enemy may have created the flat earth narrative, to cause people to mock anyone who believes in the geocentric earth.
Keep learning and growing!
David
Hi David. Read many articles about perspective but never studied it. Mississippi River has me leaning toward a flat earth. I lived in TX for 2 years and it’s extremely flat. Also believe what we call gravity is really electromagnetism. No one knows what gravity is.
Hi John. Flat earthers use ‘perspective’ to explain why people can only see so far on the flat earth model. They show telephones poles for example, which appear to get smaller the further away they are, until they disappear above the horizon.
But that is not what we see with the moon, as it rises from below the horizon at full size; it stays the same size all the way across the sky; and it sets below the horizon at the same size.
If the earth were flat, the moon would appear as a small dot above the horizon; it appear would to increase in size as it moves towards us; and then it would decrease in size as it moves away from us; until it is a small dot that disappears above the horizon.
We can clearly see that the moon does not fit the flat earth explanation. Here’s a page about that. http://flatearthdeception.com/the-moon-proves-the-flat-earth-deception/
Yes, parts of Texas is flat, but that doesn’t mean that the earth is flat. If it were flat, we would be able to see much further than 3 miles.
Does it really matter what we call the force that keeps up down on the earth? Flat earthers dismiss the concept of gravity, but they don’t jump off of tall buildings to prove that it doesn’t exist. They have to dismiss gravity, as it’s based on the mass of the ball earth.
There are plenty of proofs on this website which absolutely prove that the earth is not flat. Keep it simple! 🙂
Started with a thread (Does the moon rotate?) on thunderbolts.info in 2012. Eventually came to the conclusion that if the moon is attached to Earth by gravity, it is not rotating. If its orbit is caused externally, then indeed it is rotating. An axis is an imaginary axle. A real axle is always attached to something; therefore, the moon’s axis must be attached also. Proved to myself that tidal locking is a myth.
Modern astrophysics claims Copernicus was wrong that the sun is stationary. It is now spiraling through space at 2,000,000 mph dragging Earth along with it. Since the sun is now moving, Earth must accelerate faster than the sun to get around it then slow down when on the other side or be left behind. I balanced a raw egg on my kitchen table for ~30 minutes before a truck came by and it fell over. Impossible if Earth is constantly changing velocity. Again, proved to myself that the Earth moving is a myth.
Water in my sink drains CCW but CW in my tub 5 feet away. Another myth.
Hung a cone shaped weight from my cellar ceiling. Came back in an hour and it was motionless. Gave it a swing and came back the next day. Again it was motionless and again another myth.
Noticed arrows representing Earth’s magnetic flow pointed north. Learned to my surprise that true north is in the Arctic and magnetic north in Antarctica.
How did we get through the Van Allen Belt in 1969, 49 years ago on our way to the moon, but have lost that technology?
Mississippi River begins at Lake Itasca in Minnesota at an elevation of 1,476 feet. Straight line distance to sea level in New Orleans is 1,224 miles; 2348 miles meandering. That’s a gradual slope of less than 10 inches per mile. Where’s the curve? another myth.
Time is simply a repetitive interval of motion: sunup to sunup, heartbeat, etc…. Space is simply an interval of distance between 2 or more points. Space-time is a myth.
A perfect vacuum is an area containing nothing: no thing, so is metaphysical rather than physical. Earth is supposedly floating in the vacuum of space like an aerosol can. Puncture the can and the pressures equalize. What is separating Earth’s high pressure atmosphere from the low pressure of space? Another myth. I could go on. I now question everything, including flat earth theories.
Thanks for sharing your insight John. I appreciate your search for the truth.
Though I believe that the earth is a globe, I think that it’s geocentric, so some of the things that you described would work in that model; as we aren’t flying through space.
I also believe that NASA has faked some of its missions.
As for the Mississippi River, the curvature formula is for perspective, to see how the globe earth curves away from you. You’re intermixing the curvature formula and the drop in elevation, to try to prove that the earth is flat, but that’s an invalid assessment.
Sea level is 0 feet in elevation. The Mississippi River starts at 1,476 feet. Water flows to the lowest point. That works on the globe earth and the flat earth models. It has nothing to do with the curvature formula.
Hi David. I started questioning the shape of the earth ~1980 when I first read the Bible, so my mind has been open to suggestions, as it still is today. I examined many alternatives and compared them with the first 4 days of creation in the AKJV Bible.
I read Dr. Sungenesis’ book, traveled many miles to watch his documentary, and purchased both his documentaries on DVD. I have been using Metabunk’s curvature formula for years and also downloaded Stellarium many years ago. The bulge for the Mississippi River is ~47 miles whether the viewer is at zero elevation or 1,476 feet elevation. Supposedly engineers have to calculate Earth’s curvature to construct a bridge, road, or railway. Why are canals or rivers exempt?
I try to examine both sides of an issue and many times come up with different alternatives. I can only make Gen 1:7 & Gen 1:9 work on a flat earth.
Hi John. People can debate all day about their perspective of Bible verses, the Mississippi River, canals, etc., and each side provides an explanation.
I just focus on simple, observable proofs. Flat earthers always talk about perspective, how things like telephone poles appear to get smaller, until they disappear at the horizon line.
But when you apply that same principle to the moon, that is not what we see. We see the full moon rise up from under the horizon, at full size. We see that it stays the same size through the night and is the same size as it drops down below the horizon.
If the earth were flat, it would appear ABOVE the horizon as a small dot, and then as it moves closer to us, it would appear larger; and then it would appear smaller as it moves towards the western sky, and disappear as a small dot ABOVE the horizon.
The Flat Earth Deception home page has graphics which explain it better.
Simple things like that tell me that the earth is not flat.
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Jesus is a flat earther
Making statements proves nothing. What do you base that assertion on?
Hi David…please answer me this is poss to a satisfactory degree that I can get my head around.
Gods creation account, to me, is to be trusted 100% im sure you would agree. Then if Gods creative days are to be believed God started His work toward the earth on the 2nd day, after dark and light which He called night and day was “sorted” on the 1st day.
Therefore there wasn’t a day (in the creation sequence) when the earth wasn’t there. If that is the case WHEN did the earth begin to hurtle through space at an eyewatering speed, or are we then deducing that it was “already” hurtling?
Also on the 2nd day of creation God seperated the waters from the waters that were covering the whole surface of the water covered earth, they, or at least some of the waters were lifted up to create a “gap” if you will, between the earth waters and the waters above with the firmament, which God called heaven, inbetween them (I hope your still with me here!)
The 3rd day God brought forth grass, vegetation and trees according to their kind…probably enough water in the ground already from the waters that had been on the earth before (however long that was before God started the beginning of His creative days)
Then on the 4th day God created the luminaries and placed them IN the firmament, thats BELOW the waters above, therefore the waters are still ABOVE the created sun, moon and stars that God placed IN the firmament/heaven.. So here we have on the 4th day of creation the luminaries brought into the equation. What then was the earth hurtling around (if it actualy was hurtling) if the sun, moon and stars were created on the 4th day, and did they then start hurtling immediately with an already hurtling earth. And if we are hurtling at a phenominal speed, across a ever expanding universe, how much water then is up there, ABOVE the sun, moon and stars, and that begs the question…how much water was there on the earth previously to now be enveloping the asaid ever expanding universe.
We know that the water is STILL above the heavens, as in Psalm 148 v 4, a Psalm that is about praising God, it says ” Praise Him, ye heavens of heavens and ye waters THAT BE above the heavens” That was written around 3 1/2 thousand years ago and about 2 1/2 thousand years AFTER the creation account.
There are still waters above the firmament/heaven of which the sun, moon and stars are within.
I see nothing, for the scriptures that are provided by flat earthers to show evidence for a staionary earth, to be out of place with scriptures put forward, that this model is possibly correct.
Look forward to your thoughts and particulaly on the scripture given in Psalms
Blessings
Elaine, the waters being above the heavens does not prove that the Earth is flat. There is a water cycle that has water in the depths of the earth, on the surface and in the heavens.
Water evaporates and gathers in the heavens, which then falls to the ground and nourishes the Earth.
What flat earthers can’t explain is yesterdays red super moon.
How does the eclipse of the moon happen on the flat earth? And why does it appear to be red?
How does the moon appear larger than normal? Is it moving closer to the earth? What force causes this to happen?
Why did the super moon appear at full size when it rose up from under the horizon? If the earth were flat, it would appear as a small dot above the horizon, and grow in size as it moves towards us. But that is not what we saw. The moon was huge.
My point is that the moon itself proves that the earth is not flat, so we don’t have to wonder about the Genesis account and the Psalm verse, which simply point to the water ecosystem of the Earth.
First off let me say that I am on the side of Truth. That is more important to me than Flat or Globe because either way life goes on everyday and our beliefs don’t alter reality 🙂 But for those of us for whom it is important not to believe a lie or love it(Rev 22:15) the inconsistencies in the solar centric model are too glaring to pretend they are not there so its worth re examining. Many of us feel like we’re living in the story of The Emperors New Clothes. People have to be free and safe to ask questions and explore other possibilities without the threat of being stoned or burned at the stake. The Truth can stand up to scrutiny on its own. The problem I keep observing in the flat/globe “discussion” is that understandably (to some degree) people keep applying solar system processes to the flat earth model and coming up empty for example they will say ‘since the sun is so big how can it rotate above the earth without it burning everything?’ Or ‘Since lunar eclipses occur when the earth comes between the moon and the sun the earth cant be ‘flat’ and the sun and moon cant be close’. I want to point out that the only thing truly common between the 2 narratives is the outcome ie. what we can observe around us. To continue to assume that lunar eclipses are a product of a process that can only occur if the popular solar system model is correct is the cause of much confusion for folks trying to see things the other way. if the sun and moon are above the “flat earth” then it obviously CANNOT be the earth blocking the light of the sun from the moon. What we would be observing and calling an eclipse would have to be something else. A different process. If we are going to drag in the Hebrew, Hebrew is very concrete. it says both the sun and the moon are luminaries one is a greater light to govern the day the other is a lesser light to govern the night. BIO luminescence is something to consider. TTFN
P.S.To say flat earthers cant explain the red super moon is unfair. It would be more accurate to say you don’t understand the explanation. Or you haven’t heard the explanation yet or something like that.
Thanks for sharing your perspective Alystee. My explanations just focus on what we see, so I’m not inserting the heliocentric model explanations into them. We see the moon at the same size all night, from moonrise to moonset, which would only happen on the globe model; as on the flat earth model it would appear as a small dot at moonrise, and would look bigger as it moves towards us, and then it would look smaller is it moves away from us. Simple as that! 🙂
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Thanks! This is one of best websites I have seen the proves a globe earth. Fantastic research research!
Thank you Vic! I feel that I have given simple, observable proofs; to show that the earth is not flat. I have shown that the Bible verses which flat earthers cite, have been taken out of context. And I think that I’ve given proofs that are different from the norm. 🙂