Flat Earther Nathan Roberts Fearful and unbelieving (Rev 21:8), FIRMAMENT (Gen. 1:6) video

by David on November 22, 2018

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Nathan Roberts posted this video called ‘Fearful and unbelieving (Rev 21:8), FIRMAMENT (Gen. 1:6)’

Nathan says that the ‘firmament’ is the scariest word to Christians, but his explanation of what the firmament is, is wrong.

Nathan says that the Firmament/Dome/Vaulted Dome, and expanse created thereby and upon where God’s throne exists: Genesis 1:6-8, Genesis 1:14-18, Genesis 1:20, Genesis 7:11, Genesis 8:2, Job 9:8, Job 26:7, Job 28:24, Job 37:3, Job 37:18, Psalm 19:1, Psalm 150:1, Proverbs 8:28, Isaiah 40:22, Isaiah 42:5, Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 45:12, Isaiah 48:13, Ezekiel 1:22-26, Ezekiel 10:1, Daniel 12:3, Amos 9:6, Acts 7:56, Revelation 4:6, Revelation 6:14

Genesis 1:6-8 “And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.”

Nathan adds: With understanding the properties of water, it requires a physically hardened substance to keep it contained. Thus, a dome/firmament is not only logic, but is within the proper context of scripture.

This statement is absurd, because there is no “containment”, no physically hardened substance, over the waters of lakes and oceans.

Genesis 1:8 clearly gives us the definition of the word “firmament” = “heaven”. “And God called the firmament Heaven.”

The Hebrew word for heaven is 8064 shamayim: The sky in which the clouds move, and where the celestial bodies revolve.

The Hebrew word for firmament is raqiya` from 7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament.

They point to the root word raqa, but it is simply describing something that is spread out, an expanse.

The Scriptures (ISR98) is a better translation than the King James, and it uses the word ‘expanse’ instead of ‘firmament’.

And Elohim said, “Let an expanse come to be in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” And Elohim made the expanse, and separated the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse. And it came to be so.  And Elohim called the expanse ‘heavens.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the second day.

When the earth was formed there was no atmosphere, no protection.  So the heavens were created, the protecting atmosphere was stretched out, which provides an expansive area for the clouds and the birds of the air.

Genesis 1:14-18 “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:”

The Hebrew word that was chosen is not saying that the lights would be “inside” or “under” the firmament, it’s saying it’s “in” the actual firmament itself.  Are lights in the glass dome itself? No! They’re in the expanse of heaven.

Once again the ISR98 renders the proper word, expanse, in Genesis 1:14-18.

Let lights come to be in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and appointed times, and for days and years, and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth. And it came to be so. And Elohim made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night, and the stars.  And Elohim set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And Elohim saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:20 “And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.”

Are the birds in the glass dome itself? No! There are in the “open firmament” not a closed dome.

If firmament was pointing to a glass dome, then it would read “and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open glass dome of heaven.  How can a glass down be open?

The ‘heavens’ have three basic levels:

The first level refers to the sky, the protected expanse above the earth. This is where the birds fly in the expanse of heaven (the firmament), and the clouds exist which store water.

The second level refers to the night skies or what we would call outer space; in which the stars and constellations and planets exist.

The third heaven refers to the unseen heaven where Elohim dwells.

Genesis 7:11 “In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.”

Are we to believe that a glass dome has windows?  Seriously?

It’s simply saying that the waters from the depths of the earth overflowed and also that the clouds poured down.

Malachi 3:10 uses the same Hebrew word for “windows.” “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.”

Genesis 8:2 “The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;”

If Genesis 7:11 was pointing to literal windows on a glass dome being opened, then we would think that this verse would say that they were “closed”  But it uses the word “stopped” which simply says that it stopped raining.

Job 9:8 “Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.”

The Hebrew word for “spreadeth” is 5186. natah: to stretch or spread out; by implication, to bend away (including moral deflection); used in a great variety of application (as follows):—+ afternoon, apply, bow (down, – ing), carry aside, decline, deliver, extend, go down, be gone, incline, intend, lay, let down, offer, outstretched, overthrown, pervert, pitch, prolong, put away, shew, spread (out), stretch (forth, out), take (aside), turn (aside, away), wrest, cause to yield.

That is the same concept of we saw in Genesis 1:7, where the “firmament,” the heavens, were spread out.

Job 26:7 “He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.”

Nathan adds: From the “north” is being “stretched” over what empty place?

North seems to be pointing to the north pole / the north star Polaris; which can apply to a flat earth or a globe earth.

Job 28:24 “For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;”

This verse is simply proclaiming that Elohim’s knowledge is unlimited, and He is all-knowing; which applies on either a flat earth or a globe earth.

Job 37:3 “He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth.”

This verse is simply proclaiming that Elohim’s voice was directed at the inhabitants of the earth. It most certainly is not proclaiming that the earth is flat.

Job 37:18 “Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?”

Nathan adds: The premise of this verse is a “question” being posed, in order to put “man” in perspective to the Creator. In that teaching moment Yahuah reveals a truth about the “expanse,” that it is “strong” just like a “molten looking glass.”

Flat earthers say that the “molten looking glass” is the hard dome, but this verse says that the sky is as a “molten looking glass” and we know that the sky is not solid.

The Hebrew word for sky is 7834 shachaq; a powder (as beaten small): by analogy, a thin vapor; by extension, the firmament:—cloud, small dust, heaven, sky.

It says “as a molten looking glass” so it’s a simile that’s not declaring that the sky is a glass dome.  The verses is simply declaring the glory of a clear sky, which allows you to see the many stars in the heavens, which reflects the glory of Elohim’s creation.

They did not have glass mirrors in Job’s day, so they beat metal into sheets and polished it, to be able to see their reflection.   The King James translators were describing a mirror, as they had glass in their days.  It’s simply pointing to the heavens which shine down on us, reflecting the glory of creation.

Psalm 19:1 “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.”

Read Psalm 19:1-6 and you see that it’s pointing to the glory of the stars in heaven. It’s talking about the 12 constellations of the Mazzaroth which encircle the earth on the ecliptic, and in which the Sun travels to tell the redemption story.

Once again the word firmament is not pointing to a glass dome, but to the expanse of the heavens.

Psalm 150:1 “Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.”

Does that mean to praise him in the hard glass dome of his power?  No!   It’s declaring that we should praise the Creator of the starry heavens.

Proverbs 8:28 “When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:”

The Hebrew word for clouds is 7834 shachaq; a powder (as beaten small): by analogy, a thin vapor; by extension, the firmament:—cloud, small dust, heaven, sky.

That word is saying that the clouds are part of the firmament, the heaven, the sky; which against shows that the firmament is not a glass dome.

Isaiah 40:22 “It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:”

This is a huge topic of the flat earth debate, so I’ve a detailed explanation in this study.

Isaiah 44:24 “Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;”

Once again, Scripture is proclaiming that it is the heavens that were stretched, not a glass dome.

Isaiah 45:12 “I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.”

Nathan adds: This verse, Isaiah 45:12, is in agreement with Job 26:7 and Job 37:18, as well as, there is no contradiction within the inspired words of Yahuah. Only a fool is willing to declare Yahuah a liar by stating that His hands have NOT stretched out the heavens.” Let Yahuah be true and every man a liar.” (Romans 3:4)

Once again, Scripture is proclaiming that it is the heavens that were stretched out, not a glass dome.  A fool is someone who misrepresents what the Word of Yahuah is saying!

Isaiah 48:13 “Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.”

Nathan adds:  What is being “spanned” by Yahuah in the heavens?

The answer to that question is that this verse is saying that Elohim’s hand stretched out, meaning that He extended the heavens.   Once again, Scripture is proclaiming that it is the heavens that were stretched out, not a glass dome.

Ezekiel 1:22-26 “And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above. And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies. And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.  And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings. And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.”

The narrative of Ezekiel 1 is of a symbolic vision, so it’s not really pointing to the designs of the heavens and earth; but rather, it’s describing the glory of our Creator

Ezekiel 10:1 “Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne.”

Like Ezekiel 1, it is not describing the heavens that we see, with the sun and moon in it; but rather another expanse around the throne of our Creator.“

Daniel 12:3 “And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.”

Are we to believe that a flat earth dome has brightness? No!

This verse is telling you what the firmament (raqiya) is the expanse with the stars in it, not a glass dome.  It’s clearly pointing to the bright, shining stars in expanse of heaven!

The saints are portrayed as stars, which shine in the heaven of our Creator.

Amos 9:6 “It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name.”

Nathan adds: Some translations use the word “troop.” Have you researched the original Hebrew meaning of that word? “Stong’s 92 OT (Hebrew ‘aguddahag-ood-daw’ feminine passive participle of an unused root (meaning to bind); a band, bundle, knot, or arch:–bunch, burden, troop.” Did you see the word “arch” in there? Again, no inconsistency in God’s Word.

The word “stories” is pointing to the “elevation” of heaven, once again pointing to how the expanse of heaven, the firmament, was stretched out.

I’m not clear how Nathan proclaiming that the word “troop” doesn’t mean an arch, is proving that there’s a dome over the flat earth.

Note: The Septuagint, the Greek Old Testament, has a completely different reading, “It is he that builds up to the sky, and established his promise on earth; who calls the water of the sea, and pours it out on the face of the earth; the Lord Almighty is his name.”

Acts 7:56 “And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.”

Nathan adds: If the “heavens” are only the open expanse/sky, why would it have to be re-opened? What is being “opened?” Perhaps, the firmament?

Opening the heavens simply means that a vision of Messiah sitting in heaven next to His Father, was given to Stephen before he was stoned to death.

Revelation 4:6 “And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.”

This verse is giving a vision of heaven, and has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.

Revelation 6:14 “And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.”

This verse is using symbolic language to point to the calamity that was befalling the pagan Roman Empire.  Mountains and islands symbolize the groups of people who were affected by the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. Read Revelation 6 – 6th Seal

These verses affirm that it was the heavens that were stretched out, not a glass dome:

Jeremiah 10:12 “He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.”

Jeremiah 51:15 “He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.”

Nathan adds: If anyone is causing a divide/wedge over the true existence of the dome/firmament it is the obstinance of the man’s refusal to accept God’s Word for His firmament.

You can clearly see that it is Nathan who is refusing to accept Elohim’s Word’ that the firmament is the expanse, the heavens; in which the stars declare the glory of Elohim.

The sun and moon are in the expanse, in the heavens.  The ecliptic circle surrounded the earth like a tent, like a tabernacle in which Elohim dwells; which tells the Gospel story day and night.

People would come to know that there’s a Creator and come to believe in Messiah, by understanding the geocentric globe earth, which is provable with Scripture and with scientific evidence.

Nathan has taken verses out of their proper context, to promote his beliefs; and I prove them wrong on this study: Biblical Proofs Of The Geocentric Globe Earth

Nathan Roberts, you should live in fear, because you’re deceiving people about what the Bible is proclaiming, and you’re going to stand before your Righteous Judge to account for the errors of your explanations.

I am rebuking you and showing you your errors. I pray that you will print the Biblical Proofs study and prayerfully go through it with your wife. It has been updated and has much more information than before.  It proves that the earth is geocentric, but not flat.

David Nikao

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