If you’re a flat earther, have you studied the context of the Bible verses which are being cited to proclaim “the Bible says flat earth”?
This book goes through all 240 verses that people like Nathan Roberts cite, to show you the proper context; because if you’re promoting this list, then you’re accountable for the explanations.
It gives a fresh perspective about the ‘firmament‘ of Genesis; the ‘circle‘ of Isaiah 40:22; the clay turned to the ‘seal‘ in Job 38:13-14; the ‘pillars‘ of 1 Samuel 2:8; the sun going forth in his ‘circuit‘ of Psalms 19:6; and much more.
If you know someone who believes that the Scriptures describes a domed, flat earth; it will help you understand their rationale in citing these verses.
If you’re a believer who’s researching the flat earth, this book is critical for you.
If you believe in the heliocentric universe, have you read what Moses, Job, David, and Isaiah; declared about the earth, the sun, and the stars? The Bible describes a sun that moves in a circuit, which has been stopped, and has been moved back. And it describes an earth that is fixed. The Bible is purely geocentric, and there is no Scriptural justification for the heliocentric model.
The Bible also describes the lower circular layers which hold back the fountains of the deep; the spherical layers of atmosphere around the globe earth; the constellations on the ecliptic which encircles the globe earth; and the celestial sphere of stars which surround the globe earth as a tent, as a tabernacle.
The enemy is hiding the geocentric globe earth universe with the false narratives of the heliocentric universe and the flat earth model.
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The stars in the southern hemisphere prove that the earth is a globe.
On the flat earth model, if people in Australia, South Africa and South America, were all facing South, they would be facing opposite directions, so there’s no way that they can all see Sigma Octantis in the Octans constellation, which does not move. Yet people in those three Southern Hemisphere continents can look south and see stars circling around the south celestial pole.
This proves that the north and south celestial pole stars are at the top and bottom of the celestial sphere, and the other stars are circling the globe Earth.
Flat-earthers proclaim that this is possible because when people are looking south, they’re seeing a reflection off of the glass dome of the stars in the northern hemisphere.
But that is a false explanation, as the stars in the northern hemisphere are different than the stars in the southern hemisphere. Here are the constellations in the northern hemisphere.
Here are the constellations in the southern hemisphere.
Question for flat earthers: What is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes its path, to move from the larger circle of the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 mile circumference) to the much smaller circle of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 mile circumference)?
And what is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes speed from 1,322 MPH on the larger circle to 771 MPH on the smaller circle, to complete exactly one revolution per day?
Please comment below. Thank you!
Note: the numbers for the tropics are based on the supposed flat earth map, not on the globe. The supposed flat earth map is distorted, as it’s a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe earth. So though the Tropics on the globe earth have a circumference of 22,847 miles, on the flat earth map they are distorted. Using the equator as a baseline at 24,901 miles in circumference; the numbers of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 miles) and the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 miles) are based on the geometry of the azimuthal projection; not the actual globe.
After a lot of research, I believe that the enemy has created a deception regarding the design of the universe.
The Illuminati card game has a Flat Earth card that says “People laugh, but the flat earthers know something”. What flat earthers know is that the earth isn’t flying through space orbiting the sun. Astronomers and scientists have not proved that the Earth is moving.
And from our Earthly perspective, the planets and stars appear the same regardless of whether it’s the Copernican heliocentric view or the Tychonic geocentric view.
The deception is that the enemy has caused people to promote the heliocentric view based on philosophy, to not involve a Creator in the explanation of the design of the universe. And that led to the big bang theory, the theory of evolution, etc.; all of which steals glory from our Creator, and deceives people.
It wasn’t until scientific probes produced data about the radiation of the expanding universe, and the orientation of the quasars and radio galaxies; that researches were able to see that all of those things were pointing back to Earth as the center of the universe.
These findings were published in a book titled ‘Geocentrism 101 – An Introduction into the Science of Geocentric Cosmology‘ in 2013, and then explained in a movie called The Principle in late 2014.
Then shortly afterward the flat earth theory was aggressively pushed on YouTube and Facebook, to try to cover over the evidence, and to cause people to dismiss anyone who teaches that the Earth is geocentric.
The enemy has created a false dichotomy, so that the debate is between the geocentric flat earth vs. the heliocentric globe earth; so that people don’t consider the third option, that of the geocentric globe earth.
It puts the Earth at the center of the universe, proving a Designer/Creator, and explains why stars perfectly circle the Earth; while maintaining the laws of physics of the globe earth and the surrounding elaborate universe, which is a precision time-piece. Please read the geocentric Earth page, to see the scientific research that proves that we are at the center of the universe.
I’m not declaring that the earth is geocentric, as I can’t prove it scientifically; but when you look at how Bible verses seem to point to a geocentric earth, it’s an option that we need to consider. Read through the website, and you decide.
If you’re a flat-earther, you can decide to click away, thinking that you know the truth; but I would hope that your goal is to find the whole truth, not to defend a position.
People like Nathan Roberts and Rob Skiba point to Bible verses which they proclaim prove that the earth is flat; but the verses are taken out of context, and some of them prove that the earth is a globe.
Please read this Biblical Proofs Of The Geocentric Globe Earth study and decide for yourself.
Why would the enemy create the flat earth deception? Because most flat earthers are sharing truth in other areas, whether it’s about coming out of churchianity, about the Illuminati and their agenda, etc.; so by getting them to believe in the flat earth, they cause family and friends to stop listening to all that they teach.
On this page I will address the major challenges that I’ve found with the flat earth theory, which are explained in more detail on the other pages.
Here’s a video from the Geographic South Pole, looking straight up, which proves that the earth is not flat.
We can see the perfect circle of stars which is only possible on the globe earth, as no point on the supposed ice ring would show the stars circling overhead.
Here’s a video of a 5-day time-lapse from March 8-13, 2017, taken from the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station, which proves that the earth is not flat.
Airplane Video Proves Sun Is Not 3,000 Miles Above The Flat Earth
This observation is impossible on a Flat Earth with a Sun 3000 Miles above. We can clearly see the Sun on the Horizon from 43,000 ft. The clouds beneath us are illuminated from below but are dark on top.
This geometry is impossible on a Flat Earth. Of course – it works just fine on a Globe.
The Nikon P900 camera debunks the flat earth.
This video shows one ship that is moored near the horizon line, and the distant ship behind it which is well below the horizon; proving the curvature of the earth.
Some flat earthers commented that you should see the distant ship ’tilting’ if the Earth is curved, but the distance equates to only .23 degrees of tilt, which is not perceivable.
Sorry Flat Earthers The Equinox Geometry does NOT work on a Flat Earth.
The Flat Earth fails to explain the real observations we can make on the Equinox twice per year.
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A commercial pilot who is based out of Australia, who makes international flights in the southern hemisphere, shows that flat earthers cannot produce a legitimate pilots flight plan.
The video description says: A message to Flat Earthers. If you can’t show me a map that works and you can’t tell me how to navigate precisely around the real Earth you are wasting your time telling me the Earth is Flat. I can and do navigate precisely around the real Earth and I have been doing this safely for over 30 years using the Globe. Time to start producing real results guys. The same old nonsense arguments won’t cut it here any longer.
Flat earthers misrepresent the size of the sun, to proclaim that it gets smaller as it sets.
Here’s one of Wolfie6020‘s short videos where he used two cameras to record at the same time, one with a solar filter, one without.
This video shows how the size of the sun in the hazy sky changes as the camera automatically adjusts.
Flat earthers tell us to trust our perspective, but when we do that, we see that the sun and moon do not line up with the flat earth theory.
Flat earthers proclaim that the moon is a flat disc, but that simply cannot be true.
This is so easily disproved, that it’s nonsensical for flat earthers to proclaim it.
The shadows on the moon prove that it is being illuminated from an external light source.
Flat earthers cite Genesis 1:16 and say the the world ‘light‘ means that the moon is self-illuminated.
“And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”
The Hebrew word for ‘light’ points to a luminous body. It does not say that it provides its own illumination. ma’owr; properly, a luminous body or luminary, i.e. (abstractly) light (as an element): figuratively, brightness, i.e.cheerfulness; specifically, a chandelier:—bright, light.
Of course they have no way to scientifically explain how the moon illuminates itself, like we do for the Sun. And they cannot explain how the moon changes its illumination so that we see crescent moons and half moons.
It’s impossible for people on the flat earth model to see the same side of the moon.
We would see different sides of the moon, on the flat earth model.
The sun and moon do not vanish as a small dot over the horizon; but rather, they rise up from under the horizon and set below the horizon.
On the flat earth, objects that are moving away would simply grow smaller and disappear at the vanishing point, but they would always stay above the horizon. But every day we see the Sun rise up from under the horizon, and set down below the horizon.
It’s impossible for the sun to rise due East and set due West on the Equinox days.
The sun does not rise and set at the proper locations on the flat earth model.
The paths of the 2017 and 2024 solar eclipses across the United States are impossible to explain on the flat earth model.
There is no scientific explanation for the solar eclipse on the flat earth model, and we can clearly see that the path of the eclipse across the United States, cannot match up with the circular path of the flat earth sun.
How do flat earthers scientifically predict upcoming solar and lunar eclipses? They don’t! There is no scientific data which shows what causes the eclipses (many flat earthers say that the moon doesn’t cause the solar eclipse), and when they will happen.
The Spring and Fall Equinox is a great time to prove whether the earth is flat or a globe.
Geodetic surveying shows that angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that Earth is curved. This is called ‘spherical excess’.
Flat earthers push aside 100’s of years worth of measurements that have been recorded by geodesic surveyors all over the earth.
These surveyors have painstakingly taken measurements from point to point, and using geometry and triangulation, have determined the size of continents, and the shape of the earth. Triangulation on a flat earth would yield 180 degree sums, but surveyors have found that the sums are greater than 180 degrees, which proves the arc of the earth. Read Geodesy Proof Of The Flat Earth Deception.
One of the biggest perspective problems is that flat earthers are applying the 8″ per mile squared earth curvature formula to wrong line.
The 8″ per mile squared calculation does not measure the curvature of the line of sight, your horizon line; it extends far beyond what you can see.
Let’s apply this to a picture to see the difference between the level line and the horizon line.
Here is the Earth’s Curve Horizon, Bulge, Drop, and Hidden Calculator, which people use to try to prove that the earth isn’t curved. This is the default setting of the globe earth with a radius of 3,959 miles, which shows that if your view height is 6 feet, then your horizon line is 3 miles away. And that’s pretty much what we see in real life.
Most photos from flat earthers are taken from an elevated position, which extends the horizon line; so just plug the estimated height of the elevated position into the Metabunk Earth’s Curve Formula, and you will see that the horizon line matches up; proving the curved Earth.
In the below calculation I used the Advanced option to add 7 zeroes after the planet radius, to mimic a planet that is so big that the flat top is bigger than the supposed flat earth. And it shows that if your view height is 6 feet, your horizon line is 9,482 miles away.
Now of course your eyes can’t see that far, but a good telescope would be able to see across the flat plain to be able to see that far. The point is that if the earth really were flat, then you would be able to see much, much further than 3 miles.
Californians should be able to see Hawaii with a telescope, or Mt. McKinley, which is 20,000 feet high. From atop of Pike Peaks, which is 14,000 feet high, I should be able to use a powerful telescope to see all of America.
But the reason that we can only see to the horizon line is because the earth is curved; you are seeing the bulge of the Earth.
Here is a more technical explanation of the Earth curvature formula, to see how it is being misapplied by flat earthers.
There are a lot of explanations on this website which counter the flat earth explanations, but first let’s set the record straight about the map that most flat-earthers are using.
The map that flat-earthers use actually represents the globe earth!
Before computers, mapping out airplane flight routes was a challenge, as they had to use a globe, or images of the northern and southern hemispheres, like these.
To resolve this problem they created the azimuthal equidistant map, which allowed them to see all of the continents on one 2D map.
In order to do this, the bottom half of the globe earth had to be flared out into the outer circles. On the north-polar azimuthal projection map the northern hemisphere is shown in the inner circle, and the southern hemisphere is shown in the flared out circle that surrounds it.
These maps can be centered from anywhere. If you were planning flights from London, you would center it on London. North-polar azimuthal projection maps were used during times of war, and the polar route is the shortest distance between countries.
Rendering a globe earth onto a 2D image always cause some distortion. On the azimuthal projection map, the further away the land mass is from the center point, the greater the distortion. This is why Australia looks so wide, as it’s been stretched.
Since the continent of Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way to graphically represent it on the north-polar azimuthal projection map is by turning it inside out, and spreading it out as a white ring on the outside edge.
The South Pole is graphically represented by the outside line of the map. You can see that the white ring has several bays that match up to the Ross Sea, which is close to New Zealand; and Weddell Sea, which is close to South America.
Below is a south-polar azimuthal equidistant projection map. You can see that Antarctica and Australia are now normal size, as they are close to the center point; but North America and Euro-Russia are very distorted. And you can see that the outside edge is blue, because opposite of the South Pole is water on the North Pole.
Here is a equidistant projection map that is centered on Santiago, Chile. North and South America are normal size, as is Antarctica, since they are close to the center point; but Euro-Russia is greatly distorted, so much so that it is graphically rendered as a ring around the outside edge (just like the north-polar map).
You can make your own azimuthal equidistant projection maps on this website. You just need to enter the location; such as 90N,0W for the north pole; and 90S, 0W for the south pole.
Here is a Hammond’s north-polar equidistant map for airplane travel, which is the same map that flat earthers use.
It has both sides of the globe represented, which are declaring that it is a projection of the globe earth onto a 2D map. You can clearly see the continent of Antarctica on the bottom of the globes in white.
This close-up shows you that the globe declares the continent of Antarctica and the South Pole; and then again on the projection map. It is declaring that the outside line is the South Pole. It’s clearly telling you that the continent of Antarctica on the globe earth is represented as the white ring on the projection map.
On the bottom left of the map is a guide to the distances between meridian (N-S) lines. The distance increases up to the equator, and then decrease at the same rate to the South Pole. It’s declaring that though on the projection map it appears that the distances are become greater (because the southern hemisphere is flared out so that you can see it on a 2D projection map), that in fact they are getting smaller because the earth is globe-shaped.
This Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe.
Notice that it doesn’t have an ice wall! That is because they didn’t include the continent of Antarctica, because it is so greatly distorted.
Here is the call out box on the top right:
It says “Since it is impossible to spread the surface of a globe on a flat surface without distortion, all maps are distorted in some respects. In this map the distortion occurs in the east and west distances. This distortion increases gradually from the North Pole to the Equator, and then quite rapidly to the outer limits. The distortion of the Antarctic areas would be so great that these are not shown.”
So they didn’t even include the supposed ‘ice wall’, because it’s not an ice wall; it’s the continent of Antarctica, which is greatly distorted by the algorithm used to make the projection map. Since Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way for the program to render it was to stretch it out as a circle. The outer circle is the South Pole. The continent has been inverted.
To prove that the supposed ice wall is really the distorted and inverted continent of Antarctica, here is an image that has the outer white ring and the continent of Antarctica.
The image keeps the land mass around the outside edge, and has the continent of Antarctica in the middle, as that is what is on the bottom of the globe. The land mass is exaggerated, as the outside ring representation is exaggerated. The continent is inverted to match the inverted outer circle, as the equidistant view is from the top down.
Look at the left side of the continent, which is small compared to the right side. That matches the thin land mass of the left, compared to the right. Now look at the peninsula on the left lower side at 240 degrees. It matches the peninsula on Antarctica.
The top of the circle is very thin and has a recess. That matches the curvature of the top of Antarctica.
On the bottom right at 110 degrees, there is a small indentation. That matches the bay on the southeast part of Antarctica.
Let’s take it one step further. The bottom left red line shows that the meridian lines runs from the bay of Antarctica through South America. The bottom left red lines shows that the meridian line runs from the small bay runs through Asia. The top red line shows that the meridian line runs from the other large bay in between North America and Russia.
The azimuthal equidistant map projection is only a tool, to help determine distances and flight maps on a globe earth.
Every time a flat-earther posts an explanation about direct airplane flights that they say is wrong on a globe earth; they are using this equidistant map, which is a globe map. Or worse, they use a Mercator projection map.
Flat earthers take words out of context to say that the Bible declares a flat earth.
They cite the words “pillars of the earth” to proclaim that the flat earth sit on top of pillars.
“He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and he hath set the world upon them.” 1 Samuel 2:8
Read 1 Samuel 2:2-7, 9-10; you see that the word ‘pillars’ is referring to leaders of the earth, not physical pillars that support the flat earth.
Just like the saying that someone is a ‘pillar in the community’, it is declaring they are a strong leader. The context is clearly about Elohim raising seemingly lowly people and making them the leaders of the earth. It is not talking about the design of the physical earth!
Flat earthers say that the ‘circle‘ in Isaiah 40:22 is declaring a flat circle earth.
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.
And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19
He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the heavenly circle, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.
Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21
Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32
The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.
We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the celestial sphere (circle) of the stars of the Mazzoroth.
Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26
“He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4
So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.
The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”
Stop manipulating the Word of Elohim! Read Biblical Proofs Of The Flat Earth Deception.
One of the most misleading things that proponents of the flat earth say is to ‘use your perspective as proof‘.
The challenge is that we are a small human on a large earth, so our perception is distorted.
We can only see so wide and far, so staring at a horizon that is only a few miles wide, we cannot see the curvature.
Flatearthers posts pictures from airplanes which seem to have a straight horizon, but when you put a line across the photo, you can see the curvature. In this image you can see the line is level with the horizon at the airplane pillar, and that there is a gap on the left and right side.
On this picture the red line is level on the left side, but you can clearly see the gap on the right side.
On this picture the red line is even on the sides, and you can see the curve of the earth in the center.
Flatearthers counter by claiming that airplanes have curved glass that distorts the horizon.
Do you really think that airplanes would have glass in the cockpit that distorts the pilots view?
Does the windshield in your car cause the horizon to curve? No!
Flat-earthers push aside the witness and photos of countless astronomers throughout the years and around the world, who have taken pictures of the planets and distant galaxies.
They proclaim that there are no real planets, and that they are just projections or lights. There are astronomy clubs at many schools and astronomy groups in most major cities, who take pictures of the moon, stars, planets and distant galaxies. There is just no way that all of that is a conspiracy to hide the flat earth theory.
You can buy phone apps that show you where to look in the sky for planets, so that you know where to look with your optical telescope.
You can visit astronomy clubs and they will let you look through their optical telescopes, to see the planets and distance galaxies for yourself. There is simply no excuse for this laziness!
Read Astronomy Proves The Flat Earth Deception.
Flat earthers push aside the witness of people who work in companies that use satellites.
They proclaim that there are no satellites, but that everything is done through cables or ground-based antennas.
- Meteorologists around the world use satellites to show storms like hurricanes.
- Hughes Satellite internet service can’t work with cables or land-based antennas, as the locations that receive the signals are too remote.
- Navstar GPS works in remote areas through satellites.
- Look at a house with the Dish Network, Echostar, DirectTV. What direction is the dish pointed to? The sky!!!
- Look at a remote-location TV news crew, where is their dish pointed to? The sky!
- Sirius radio provides signals to you when you are far away from ground based antennas
- Look at remote military units and military facilities to see where their dishes are pointed to. The sky!
To deny satellites is to deny the existence of a space program covering the US, EU, Russia, China, India, Brazil, employing tens of millions of people and spending tens of billions of dollars a year, putting satellites in orbit, sending probes everywhere, creating the GPS system, satellite TV, etc.
It would mean that all of that is faked, on an ongoing basis, and none of these tens of millions of people has ever exposed the lie. Read Satellites Prove The Flat Earth Deception.
They push aside the many people who have been to Antarctica as a researcher or tourist.
Flat earthers proclaim that the ice ring is protected so that nobody can see the end of the flat earth. But that is ludicrous as people visit every year for research and for tourism.
Read Antarctica Proves The Flat Earth Deception
So why is the flat earth a topic these days?
More and more people on Facebook and YouTube are promoting the flat earth theory, with ridiculous explanations that prove nothing. Many of these people expose other conspiracies that have been foisted upon us; and they expose the truth about the Father and Son’s true names, about the Holy Feast Days, corrupt Bibles, etc.
So I believe that the enemy is getting them to believe in the flat-earth theory, so that others will discount all that they are proclaiming. It’s called a PSYOP, a Psychological Operation.
I think that flat-earthers are going to make everyone so tired of hearing about it, that people will not seek any of the truths that they share. Many of them opening condemn everyone who doesn’t believe it, calling them fools and globeheads.
The story that Christians believed in a flat earth until Columbus’ time, and for some time thereafter, began as part of a fictional story that was elevated to historical fact by late 19th-century Darwinists who used it primarily as a means to ridicule Christians. Sadly that appears to be happening again, as truthers who proclaim the flat earth are being ridiculed.
I hope that this page has helped to open your eyes to the truth, that the earth is a globe.
If you have some insight to prove that what I have shown is not correct, please comment below. If you just want to make statements, without any proof; or if you just want to make accusations against me; then your comment may not be added to the discussion.
David
p.s. My explanations are logical, and are based on what we can see. I don’t offer scientific explanations, because that is not my strength. Sadly, I see flat earthers mocking scientific explanations about the globe earth, but giving really unscientific answers.
The earth is flat and motionless, Do you really think Yahuah wants you living in a gray area ? Our senses and the Bible both confirm it, choose today who you will serve. Praise his name and his creation only. ❤Joshua
A gray area Joshua? I’m not understanding what you mean by that.
The bulge of the curved Earth creates the horizon line that you see. All you have to do is plug in the viewer height into the curvature formula https://www.metabunk.org/curve/ and the projected horizon line on the formula will match up with your picture; proving that the Earth is curved.
I do praise His name and His creation! David
David,
I have been researching flat earth and I appreciate your website. My problem is this. It seems that both flat earth and globe earth models have holes in their explanations. This is to be honest very confusing and frustrating. You make some interesting points here and I appreciate that but what are your thoughts on some of the things that a spinning ball earth can’t explain like how when you view a time lapse video of star trials, the North Polaris star stays stationary and a all the other stars make a perfect circle around it? If we are on a globe that tilts back and forth on its access how is that possible? I have been very unsettled by all this as I desire to know the truth. I am Christian and I would hate to dishonor my Lord by supporting and believing something false. I apologize on my long post, I would love to hear your thoughts.
Nick, I’m open to the earth being geocentric, which would explain the circling star trails and North Star staying in the same place.
Since most people believe that the sun is stationary, they say that the Earth is tilted in it’s orientation to the Sun. Through the seasons, the sun strikes the Earth at different points, moving from the Tropic of Cancer to the Tropic of Capricorn.
The stars which encircle the Earth stay in the same orientation, which is why the North Stay doesn’t move out of place.
I hope that helps. Goodness knows there are more scientifically-minded people who can explain it better. Most of my proofs are logic proofs, that we can see with our eyes.
Keep learning and growing!
David
One of your examples make sence. You say the sun should get smaller but your leaving out it dosnt go striaght its moving in circles. So no it wont gt smaller it will do what it does there is no way we live on. Ball
I’m not understanding your point Matt. The Sun should grow smaller until it disappears over the horizon. I’m merely sharing what I see every sunset, that the sun stays the same size, and that the bottom of it disappears under the horizon. But on the flat earth, it should never go below the horizon, it should just grow smaller as it moves away in the circular pattern, and then disappear at the vanishing point.
I read something similar as well. Fast forwarding to the end of every argument or discussion I’ve had, I like to point out that the government is already in control and exposing any lies they put out doesn’t seem to matter to the majority of the world’s population. Exposing the NASA ‘lies’ with make believe comes down to them offering up a flat earther altar call seeded with emotional pleas that ultimately collapse under their own weight and non-evidence that cannot be falsified. What would it take for you to change your mind if you just might happen to be wrong…(insert make believe impossibility here). If a flat earther ponied up the money to launch a rocket up high enough to kiss their 32 mile wide moon and prove once and for all their side of the story…well, they would still be greeted by the same reality all of the ‘co-conspirators’ have witnessed and come to know as the spherical planet. Not round and flat like a quarter, but a real planet orbiting a real star. But then they would have to make better use of their time and start saving for retirement or doing grown up stuff that doesn’t include lighting off flame wars when somebody yawns at their words.
Yeah, sadly Frank, most people are oblivious to the many .gov deceptions. Just like flat earthers don’t trust NASA photos (and I’m not saying that they should), I don’t trust photos/videos from flat earthers.
When a flat earther posts a picture that they say proves the flat earth, I just estimate the height at which the picture was taken, relative to the horizon, plug the height into the earth curvature formula to get the projected horizon distance, and every time it matches the picture; which proves that the Earth is curved. Here’s the link to the curve formula. https://www.metabunk.org/curve/
I own a transit (old style)…I have, along the Atlantic Ocean (across Calm inlets), shot a line across the waters edge over 1/2 mile, checked by GPS. Transit was checked level, measurements to the water were checked and rechecked 3x to ensure identical heights to the water. No Curve noted. I really am looking for curve, so why didnt we find it. I have a surveyor friend I consulted for my methods, and he said I did exactly right and “should have measured at least 4 of curve”.
Its my understanding a canal, or a salt flat could easily be dug or naturally flat bottomed, which would make it a flat surface on a curved earth. That concept is easily proven. I really believe over 1/2 mile of ocean I should find water height differences.
Scratching my head on this..lol
So you shot a line a 1/2 mile and expected to measure a curve? Seriously?
Since I can’t duplicate what you did, I have no comment on why it didn’t work like you expected.
All you have to do is use the Earth curvature formula, enter the height at which you viewed the Horizon Line, and you will see that the horizon line distance matches what the formula says; proving that the Earth is curved; proving that the Horizon Line is created by the bulge of the Earth. https://www.metabunk.org/curve/
David, the curve formula is accurate to within a 1/4″.lol seriusly? You didn’t know that? If curve is present, under perfect conditions curve can be measured to within .030. Since you say you doubt any videos from “flat earthers” does that mean you bias anyone or anything you dont understand? lol
Your answer only shows you dont understand a transit..lol The transit views in a perfectly straight horizontal line from one point. From that point you can project/view/measure an identical point to a distant target, including elevation!
So as my transit point was exactly at 71″ above the oceans waterline at point A and my target “stick” was at point B 1/2 mile away, my crosshairs should have been hitting the stick at a (any) measurement above 71, but it landed right on 71. This is telling me and my surveyor friend that there isnt any curve.
Believe me we double checked 3x after that and checked and rechecked and we should have gotten something but didnt the water was at the exact same height and thats wrong. Well…wrong for a globe..ugh
So you’re not capable of discussion, but now have a mocking attitude; which is hypocritical, because you just complained about how I treat flat earthers.
And you seem to not be genuine, because you claimed to be searching for truth, but it’s obvious that you’re a flat earther.
I’m done with this conversation. I will not comment on your posts anymore. Go mock somewhere else.
I have to agree with you David about the Sun and the Moon. There is no way on a flat earth we would see what we do, it just doesnt work, and as you stated the would need to shrink in size, and they dont.
I am not mocking you, just pointing out the very obvious, just like Jesus pointed out that the Pharisisies were sons of the devil. ))
Hmm…calling me a “flatearther” ?? LOL …fascinating..is that because you cant debunk my “gravity” experiment? I used a Transit which has nothing to do wit height of eye, yet you answer with the cut and paste height of eye….Look you get beat up pretty badly as I read, and your ALWAYS on the definsive so I get it. Your burning out and becoming extremely bias and honestly…somewhat blinded.
Maybe you need a break…I also suggest getting out and doing some REAL research.
Hi David. As a ‘Glober’ I was glad I stumbled upon your site. Nice read for sure. I did notice, however, that the Flat Earth model does work perfectly inside of the game Minecraft…and that’s about it. I bought it for my daughter a couple of months ago and was surprised to find it mildly entertaining. When my flat earther friends dismiss NASA, any Government, accurate scientific experiments, and the Obvious…I have to remind myself that they are totally into their ‘Make Believe’ world and not ready to put any real effort into finding out what really is out there. Lazy online ‘research’ is about it. My wife and I will be visiting her family in the Philippines for the 3rd time next year. Your model of the moon phase is confirmed both here in the USA where I live and all the way over there, where by the way they are exactly 12 hours ahead of my usual Eastern Standard Time. We travel into the future on the way there and back to the present on the way back – from a time zone point of view.
Thanks for sharing your insight Frank. That’s interesting about the game Minecraft. The enemy is slick, and they do a lot of things to give flat earthers supposed proofs, that the flat earth is a big .gov secret.
I read this today from some debunking the flat earth, “Implausibly mammoth conspiracy requiring involvement of over 50 space agencies around the world, and every news agency, all telecommunications companies, and shipping companies, and universities, and millions of dedicated professional physicists, engineers, meteorologists, pilots, navigators, oceanographers, cartographers, are all lying, bribed or threatened into participating in a global super conspiracy of the last century, along with their families, without any clear motive, and without a single leak or whistle blower, not one single, deathbed confession or drunken admission ever.”
Hmmm,
Hi David,
We have different ideas of what proof means. I see no proof in what you present. The map you claim people use has been rejected by many people who believe in a flat Earth.
I like facts. Things like “see the shadow of the earth on the moon” are definitely NOT facts. So we need to eliminate those from this proof we seek.
I have an experiment you can do right at your computer to prove once and for all the shape of the earth. Are you going to accept my challenge? You need access to an AutoCAD type program to plot angles lines and circles. And you need a computer, and the internet.
Do you have access to a computer and the internet?
You should have seen the look on your face.
When you are ready, let me know. I have not done this yet, so I do not know what the outcome will be.
Hmmm Ken, I see people on Facebook and YouTube use that supposed flat earth map every day, so my ‘claim’ is not wrong.
“The moon craters have shadows which directly correspond to the position of the sun and moon, proving that the moon is not flat, and proving once again that the Sun illuminates the moon.”
That is factual.
Why would you setup a challenge with me when you supposedly don’t know the outcome?
No thanks! Like most flat earthers, you’re convinced of what your convinced about, and you can’t even see the proofs on this website. You deny that flat earthers even use the north-polar azimuthal equidistant project of the globe earth, in their explanations. And you can’t see that earthers apply the curvature formula to the wrong line. -_-
Finlay,
I have a relative who is an airline pilot. He says that the atmosphere we fly in is part of the rotating earth. So those videos that show planes shouldn’t be able to land on a runway on a rotating earth are mistaken. If something falls out of the empire state building, it’s going to land directly below, even though the earth is spinning. Because the atmosphere is part of the spinning earth. I probably didn’t describe this scientifically, but I take the pilot’s word for it. So flying east to west or west to east really doesn’t make a difference. We have winds because the earth is spinning. The weather channel shows satellite pictures and warned people in Va and NC of tornadoes today. How did they get that information? Do satellites float above the flat earth mysteriously? I believe in God, and either way, whether it’s a globe or flat, He is the Creator, and is glorified in His creation. The language of the Bible is often poetic, and we must apply Audience Relevance to the text. WHO were the people being addressed at the time it was written? When the devil took Jesus high up and showed him the kingdoms of the world, the “world” at that time was Palestine. The Gospel was preached to the “whole world” in the 1st Century! (Col 1:23, Rom 16:25-26). I am a Truth seeker, and Jesus declared to the “the Truth.” As we seek Him, we will find, but we will never know everything. This life is a never ending journey of learning and UNlearning. We all want truth, and it’s odd how we can disagree so often on exactly what that is. I wish it weren’t so. But I do feel distress at the ‘flat earth’ idea, and it doesn’t resonate with me. I’ve researched it quite a bit, and even though I see some points that make you think, I can’t understand why flat earthers don’t see the earth’s curved shadow cast on the moon during a lunar eclipse, or the fact that the star rotation is counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere, but clockwise in the southern. There are dark days and white nights in both north and south poles, right? I think so, correct me if I’m wrong. How could that work on the FE map? The moon has craters… and the Milky Way looks like the arm of a galaxy. God is not the author of confusion. I’m going to an Astronomy Club party this weekend, and I’m going to ask someone to point their telescope to something 3,000 miles away. (If they can, this is just an idea). Then I will point directly at the moon and see if it’s staring me in the face, or still a good distance away. (Also, if it’s 30-some miles across, how can we even see it 3,000 miles away?) Anyway, David! Thank you for the information here, and I truly hope that we can separate truth from fiction soon, because this seems like a carefully planned, really strange distraction to me, and I pray for all those who are distressed by it.
Thank you for sharing your insight Michelle, you make some great points! There are so many amateur astronomers, who take pictures of the planets, that it’s impossible that all of them are part of some grand conspiracy. Enjoy your Astronomy Club party!
Well David, as you seem to have “moderated” (decided not to post my response to your message March 25 at 10:29 pm) it is obviously a waste of my time debating flat earth vs. globe on your misleading website. Farewell.
Yes Finlay, it is a waste of time for you to debate the flat earth vs. globe earth on this website. I’ve done my research, you’re not going to change my mind. And it’s obvious that you are not going to change your mind. I thought we had agreed to disagree.
David, any one who believes the Earth to be a globe has no actual proof, and just regurgitates the same old arguments along with phony pictures from space, mathematical theories and the like, all supposed to convince those who question their deception. That deception is part of the globalist agenda to rule this world.
My only agenda is opening up closed minds in the hope that some new thoughts might be considered and knowledge gained. As you promote the globe model, yet refuse to debate my simple question with regard to airline flight times (because you say this website is not about a spinning globe), I must seek explanation elsewhere.
Peace and Love to all.
Sorry, but I have proof. Using the curvature formula, one only has to enter the estimated height of the viewer, and it calculates how far away the horizon line will appear. And sure enough, when you look at the pictures that flat earthers post of the horizon, the distance matches that of the curved Earth formula.
All you have to do is use that formula to mimic a planet that is so big that the flat top is larger than the supposed flat earth. Then enter your viewer height, and it says that you should be able to see much further on a flat earth.
But we do not see that far, even with a telescope, which proves that the Earth is curved.
The whole flat earth horizon line explanation is bogus. With a telescope we should be able to see much further, but we can’t.
Your agenda is to promote the flat earth, and you seem to refuse to consider even one point that I have made on the website.
Go thy way and enjoy thy flat earth!
David, I also agree we disagree, but so be it.
My parting words about this subject are simple. Look around and understand globalists worship their false god and idol, money. Most Flat earthers see through this deception and give praise to the one true God who created all. When Satan tempted Jesus on the high mountain, they could see all earth laid out before them to the four corners. Genesis explains how it all was created. That’s good enough for me.
Enjoy your globe.
Once again your association is false. Globalists are not out there promoting the globe earth, they have an international perspective, instead of a national one. And yes, many of them are doing it to get rich.
But it’s not like all people who believe in the globe earth are worshiping false gods and money; or promoting the globalist agenda. It’s illogical statements like that which reveal how programmed flat earthers are. You manipulate what the word globalist means, to push your agenda.