If you’re a flat earther, have you studied the context of the Bible verses which are being cited to proclaim “the Bible says flat earth”?
This book goes through all 240 verses that people like Nathan Roberts cite, to show you the proper context; because if you’re promoting this list, then you’re accountable for the explanations.
It gives a fresh perspective about the ‘firmament‘ of Genesis; the ‘circle‘ of Isaiah 40:22; the clay turned to the ‘seal‘ in Job 38:13-14; the ‘pillars‘ of 1 Samuel 2:8; the sun going forth in his ‘circuit‘ of Psalms 19:6; and much more.
If you know someone who believes that the Scriptures describes a domed, flat earth; it will help you understand their rationale in citing these verses.
If you’re a believer who’s researching the flat earth, this book is critical for you.
If you believe in the heliocentric universe, have you read what Moses, Job, David, and Isaiah; declared about the earth, the sun, and the stars? The Bible describes a sun that moves in a circuit, which has been stopped, and has been moved back. And it describes an earth that is fixed. The Bible is purely geocentric, and there is no Scriptural justification for the heliocentric model.
The Bible also describes the lower circular layers which hold back the fountains of the deep; the spherical layers of atmosphere around the globe earth; the constellations on the ecliptic which encircles the globe earth; and the celestial sphere of stars which surround the globe earth as a tent, as a tabernacle.
The enemy is hiding the geocentric globe earth universe with the false narratives of the heliocentric universe and the flat earth model.
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The stars in the southern hemisphere prove that the earth is a globe.
On the flat earth model, if people in Australia, South Africa and South America, were all facing South, they would be facing opposite directions, so there’s no way that they can all see Sigma Octantis in the Octans constellation, which does not move. Yet people in those three Southern Hemisphere continents can look south and see stars circling around the south celestial pole.
This proves that the north and south celestial pole stars are at the top and bottom of the celestial sphere, and the other stars are circling the globe Earth.
Flat-earthers proclaim that this is possible because when people are looking south, they’re seeing a reflection off of the glass dome of the stars in the northern hemisphere.
But that is a false explanation, as the stars in the northern hemisphere are different than the stars in the southern hemisphere. Here are the constellations in the northern hemisphere.
Here are the constellations in the southern hemisphere.
Question for flat earthers: What is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes its path, to move from the larger circle of the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 mile circumference) to the much smaller circle of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 mile circumference)?
And what is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes speed from 1,322 MPH on the larger circle to 771 MPH on the smaller circle, to complete exactly one revolution per day?
Please comment below. Thank you!
Note: the numbers for the tropics are based on the supposed flat earth map, not on the globe. The supposed flat earth map is distorted, as it’s a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe earth. So though the Tropics on the globe earth have a circumference of 22,847 miles, on the flat earth map they are distorted. Using the equator as a baseline at 24,901 miles in circumference; the numbers of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 miles) and the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 miles) are based on the geometry of the azimuthal projection; not the actual globe.
After a lot of research, I believe that the enemy has created a deception regarding the design of the universe.
The Illuminati card game has a Flat Earth card that says “People laugh, but the flat earthers know something”. What flat earthers know is that the earth isn’t flying through space orbiting the sun. Astronomers and scientists have not proved that the Earth is moving.
And from our Earthly perspective, the planets and stars appear the same regardless of whether it’s the Copernican heliocentric view or the Tychonic geocentric view.
The deception is that the enemy has caused people to promote the heliocentric view based on philosophy, to not involve a Creator in the explanation of the design of the universe. And that led to the big bang theory, the theory of evolution, etc.; all of which steals glory from our Creator, and deceives people.
It wasn’t until scientific probes produced data about the radiation of the expanding universe, and the orientation of the quasars and radio galaxies; that researches were able to see that all of those things were pointing back to Earth as the center of the universe.
These findings were published in a book titled ‘Geocentrism 101 – An Introduction into the Science of Geocentric Cosmology‘ in 2013, and then explained in a movie called The Principle in late 2014.
Then shortly afterward the flat earth theory was aggressively pushed on YouTube and Facebook, to try to cover over the evidence, and to cause people to dismiss anyone who teaches that the Earth is geocentric.
The enemy has created a false dichotomy, so that the debate is between the geocentric flat earth vs. the heliocentric globe earth; so that people don’t consider the third option, that of the geocentric globe earth.
It puts the Earth at the center of the universe, proving a Designer/Creator, and explains why stars perfectly circle the Earth; while maintaining the laws of physics of the globe earth and the surrounding elaborate universe, which is a precision time-piece. Please read the geocentric Earth page, to see the scientific research that proves that we are at the center of the universe.
I’m not declaring that the earth is geocentric, as I can’t prove it scientifically; but when you look at how Bible verses seem to point to a geocentric earth, it’s an option that we need to consider. Read through the website, and you decide.
If you’re a flat-earther, you can decide to click away, thinking that you know the truth; but I would hope that your goal is to find the whole truth, not to defend a position.
People like Nathan Roberts and Rob Skiba point to Bible verses which they proclaim prove that the earth is flat; but the verses are taken out of context, and some of them prove that the earth is a globe.
Please read this Biblical Proofs Of The Geocentric Globe Earth study and decide for yourself.
Why would the enemy create the flat earth deception? Because most flat earthers are sharing truth in other areas, whether it’s about coming out of churchianity, about the Illuminati and their agenda, etc.; so by getting them to believe in the flat earth, they cause family and friends to stop listening to all that they teach.
On this page I will address the major challenges that I’ve found with the flat earth theory, which are explained in more detail on the other pages.
Here’s a video from the Geographic South Pole, looking straight up, which proves that the earth is not flat.
We can see the perfect circle of stars which is only possible on the globe earth, as no point on the supposed ice ring would show the stars circling overhead.
Here’s a video of a 5-day time-lapse from March 8-13, 2017, taken from the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station, which proves that the earth is not flat.
Airplane Video Proves Sun Is Not 3,000 Miles Above The Flat Earth
This observation is impossible on a Flat Earth with a Sun 3000 Miles above. We can clearly see the Sun on the Horizon from 43,000 ft. The clouds beneath us are illuminated from below but are dark on top.
This geometry is impossible on a Flat Earth. Of course – it works just fine on a Globe.
The Nikon P900 camera debunks the flat earth.
This video shows one ship that is moored near the horizon line, and the distant ship behind it which is well below the horizon; proving the curvature of the earth.
Some flat earthers commented that you should see the distant ship ’tilting’ if the Earth is curved, but the distance equates to only .23 degrees of tilt, which is not perceivable.
Sorry Flat Earthers The Equinox Geometry does NOT work on a Flat Earth.
The Flat Earth fails to explain the real observations we can make on the Equinox twice per year.
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A commercial pilot who is based out of Australia, who makes international flights in the southern hemisphere, shows that flat earthers cannot produce a legitimate pilots flight plan.
The video description says: A message to Flat Earthers. If you can’t show me a map that works and you can’t tell me how to navigate precisely around the real Earth you are wasting your time telling me the Earth is Flat. I can and do navigate precisely around the real Earth and I have been doing this safely for over 30 years using the Globe. Time to start producing real results guys. The same old nonsense arguments won’t cut it here any longer.
Flat earthers misrepresent the size of the sun, to proclaim that it gets smaller as it sets.
Here’s one of Wolfie6020‘s short videos where he used two cameras to record at the same time, one with a solar filter, one without.
This video shows how the size of the sun in the hazy sky changes as the camera automatically adjusts.
Flat earthers tell us to trust our perspective, but when we do that, we see that the sun and moon do not line up with the flat earth theory.
Flat earthers proclaim that the moon is a flat disc, but that simply cannot be true.
This is so easily disproved, that it’s nonsensical for flat earthers to proclaim it.
The shadows on the moon prove that it is being illuminated from an external light source.
Flat earthers cite Genesis 1:16 and say the the world ‘light‘ means that the moon is self-illuminated.
“And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”
The Hebrew word for ‘light’ points to a luminous body. It does not say that it provides its own illumination. ma’owr; properly, a luminous body or luminary, i.e. (abstractly) light (as an element): figuratively, brightness, i.e.cheerfulness; specifically, a chandelier:—bright, light.
Of course they have no way to scientifically explain how the moon illuminates itself, like we do for the Sun. And they cannot explain how the moon changes its illumination so that we see crescent moons and half moons.
It’s impossible for people on the flat earth model to see the same side of the moon.
We would see different sides of the moon, on the flat earth model.
The sun and moon do not vanish as a small dot over the horizon; but rather, they rise up from under the horizon and set below the horizon.
On the flat earth, objects that are moving away would simply grow smaller and disappear at the vanishing point, but they would always stay above the horizon. But every day we see the Sun rise up from under the horizon, and set down below the horizon.
It’s impossible for the sun to rise due East and set due West on the Equinox days.
The sun does not rise and set at the proper locations on the flat earth model.
The paths of the 2017 and 2024 solar eclipses across the United States are impossible to explain on the flat earth model.
There is no scientific explanation for the solar eclipse on the flat earth model, and we can clearly see that the path of the eclipse across the United States, cannot match up with the circular path of the flat earth sun.
How do flat earthers scientifically predict upcoming solar and lunar eclipses? They don’t! There is no scientific data which shows what causes the eclipses (many flat earthers say that the moon doesn’t cause the solar eclipse), and when they will happen.
The Spring and Fall Equinox is a great time to prove whether the earth is flat or a globe.
Geodetic surveying shows that angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that Earth is curved. This is called ‘spherical excess’.
Flat earthers push aside 100’s of years worth of measurements that have been recorded by geodesic surveyors all over the earth.
These surveyors have painstakingly taken measurements from point to point, and using geometry and triangulation, have determined the size of continents, and the shape of the earth. Triangulation on a flat earth would yield 180 degree sums, but surveyors have found that the sums are greater than 180 degrees, which proves the arc of the earth. Read Geodesy Proof Of The Flat Earth Deception.
One of the biggest perspective problems is that flat earthers are applying the 8″ per mile squared earth curvature formula to wrong line.
The 8″ per mile squared calculation does not measure the curvature of the line of sight, your horizon line; it extends far beyond what you can see.
Let’s apply this to a picture to see the difference between the level line and the horizon line.
Here is the Earth’s Curve Horizon, Bulge, Drop, and Hidden Calculator, which people use to try to prove that the earth isn’t curved. This is the default setting of the globe earth with a radius of 3,959 miles, which shows that if your view height is 6 feet, then your horizon line is 3 miles away. And that’s pretty much what we see in real life.
Most photos from flat earthers are taken from an elevated position, which extends the horizon line; so just plug the estimated height of the elevated position into the Metabunk Earth’s Curve Formula, and you will see that the horizon line matches up; proving the curved Earth.
In the below calculation I used the Advanced option to add 7 zeroes after the planet radius, to mimic a planet that is so big that the flat top is bigger than the supposed flat earth. And it shows that if your view height is 6 feet, your horizon line is 9,482 miles away.
Now of course your eyes can’t see that far, but a good telescope would be able to see across the flat plain to be able to see that far. The point is that if the earth really were flat, then you would be able to see much, much further than 3 miles.
Californians should be able to see Hawaii with a telescope, or Mt. McKinley, which is 20,000 feet high. From atop of Pike Peaks, which is 14,000 feet high, I should be able to use a powerful telescope to see all of America.
But the reason that we can only see to the horizon line is because the earth is curved; you are seeing the bulge of the Earth.
Here is a more technical explanation of the Earth curvature formula, to see how it is being misapplied by flat earthers.
There are a lot of explanations on this website which counter the flat earth explanations, but first let’s set the record straight about the map that most flat-earthers are using.
The map that flat-earthers use actually represents the globe earth!
Before computers, mapping out airplane flight routes was a challenge, as they had to use a globe, or images of the northern and southern hemispheres, like these.
To resolve this problem they created the azimuthal equidistant map, which allowed them to see all of the continents on one 2D map.
In order to do this, the bottom half of the globe earth had to be flared out into the outer circles. On the north-polar azimuthal projection map the northern hemisphere is shown in the inner circle, and the southern hemisphere is shown in the flared out circle that surrounds it.
These maps can be centered from anywhere. If you were planning flights from London, you would center it on London. North-polar azimuthal projection maps were used during times of war, and the polar route is the shortest distance between countries.
Rendering a globe earth onto a 2D image always cause some distortion. On the azimuthal projection map, the further away the land mass is from the center point, the greater the distortion. This is why Australia looks so wide, as it’s been stretched.
Since the continent of Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way to graphically represent it on the north-polar azimuthal projection map is by turning it inside out, and spreading it out as a white ring on the outside edge.
The South Pole is graphically represented by the outside line of the map. You can see that the white ring has several bays that match up to the Ross Sea, which is close to New Zealand; and Weddell Sea, which is close to South America.
Below is a south-polar azimuthal equidistant projection map. You can see that Antarctica and Australia are now normal size, as they are close to the center point; but North America and Euro-Russia are very distorted. And you can see that the outside edge is blue, because opposite of the South Pole is water on the North Pole.
Here is a equidistant projection map that is centered on Santiago, Chile. North and South America are normal size, as is Antarctica, since they are close to the center point; but Euro-Russia is greatly distorted, so much so that it is graphically rendered as a ring around the outside edge (just like the north-polar map).
You can make your own azimuthal equidistant projection maps on this website. You just need to enter the location; such as 90N,0W for the north pole; and 90S, 0W for the south pole.
Here is a Hammond’s north-polar equidistant map for airplane travel, which is the same map that flat earthers use.
It has both sides of the globe represented, which are declaring that it is a projection of the globe earth onto a 2D map. You can clearly see the continent of Antarctica on the bottom of the globes in white.
This close-up shows you that the globe declares the continent of Antarctica and the South Pole; and then again on the projection map. It is declaring that the outside line is the South Pole. It’s clearly telling you that the continent of Antarctica on the globe earth is represented as the white ring on the projection map.
On the bottom left of the map is a guide to the distances between meridian (N-S) lines. The distance increases up to the equator, and then decrease at the same rate to the South Pole. It’s declaring that though on the projection map it appears that the distances are become greater (because the southern hemisphere is flared out so that you can see it on a 2D projection map), that in fact they are getting smaller because the earth is globe-shaped.
This Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe.
Notice that it doesn’t have an ice wall! That is because they didn’t include the continent of Antarctica, because it is so greatly distorted.
Here is the call out box on the top right:
It says “Since it is impossible to spread the surface of a globe on a flat surface without distortion, all maps are distorted in some respects. In this map the distortion occurs in the east and west distances. This distortion increases gradually from the North Pole to the Equator, and then quite rapidly to the outer limits. The distortion of the Antarctic areas would be so great that these are not shown.”
So they didn’t even include the supposed ‘ice wall’, because it’s not an ice wall; it’s the continent of Antarctica, which is greatly distorted by the algorithm used to make the projection map. Since Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way for the program to render it was to stretch it out as a circle. The outer circle is the South Pole. The continent has been inverted.
To prove that the supposed ice wall is really the distorted and inverted continent of Antarctica, here is an image that has the outer white ring and the continent of Antarctica.
The image keeps the land mass around the outside edge, and has the continent of Antarctica in the middle, as that is what is on the bottom of the globe. The land mass is exaggerated, as the outside ring representation is exaggerated. The continent is inverted to match the inverted outer circle, as the equidistant view is from the top down.
Look at the left side of the continent, which is small compared to the right side. That matches the thin land mass of the left, compared to the right. Now look at the peninsula on the left lower side at 240 degrees. It matches the peninsula on Antarctica.
The top of the circle is very thin and has a recess. That matches the curvature of the top of Antarctica.
On the bottom right at 110 degrees, there is a small indentation. That matches the bay on the southeast part of Antarctica.
Let’s take it one step further. The bottom left red line shows that the meridian lines runs from the bay of Antarctica through South America. The bottom left red lines shows that the meridian line runs from the small bay runs through Asia. The top red line shows that the meridian line runs from the other large bay in between North America and Russia.
The azimuthal equidistant map projection is only a tool, to help determine distances and flight maps on a globe earth.
Every time a flat-earther posts an explanation about direct airplane flights that they say is wrong on a globe earth; they are using this equidistant map, which is a globe map. Or worse, they use a Mercator projection map.
Flat earthers take words out of context to say that the Bible declares a flat earth.
They cite the words “pillars of the earth” to proclaim that the flat earth sit on top of pillars.
“He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and he hath set the world upon them.” 1 Samuel 2:8
Read 1 Samuel 2:2-7, 9-10; you see that the word ‘pillars’ is referring to leaders of the earth, not physical pillars that support the flat earth.
Just like the saying that someone is a ‘pillar in the community’, it is declaring they are a strong leader. The context is clearly about Elohim raising seemingly lowly people and making them the leaders of the earth. It is not talking about the design of the physical earth!
Flat earthers say that the ‘circle‘ in Isaiah 40:22 is declaring a flat circle earth.
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.
And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19
He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the heavenly circle, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.
Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21
Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32
The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.
We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the celestial sphere (circle) of the stars of the Mazzoroth.
Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26
“He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4
So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.
The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”
Stop manipulating the Word of Elohim! Read Biblical Proofs Of The Flat Earth Deception.
One of the most misleading things that proponents of the flat earth say is to ‘use your perspective as proof‘.
The challenge is that we are a small human on a large earth, so our perception is distorted.
We can only see so wide and far, so staring at a horizon that is only a few miles wide, we cannot see the curvature.
Flatearthers posts pictures from airplanes which seem to have a straight horizon, but when you put a line across the photo, you can see the curvature. In this image you can see the line is level with the horizon at the airplane pillar, and that there is a gap on the left and right side.
On this picture the red line is level on the left side, but you can clearly see the gap on the right side.
On this picture the red line is even on the sides, and you can see the curve of the earth in the center.
Flatearthers counter by claiming that airplanes have curved glass that distorts the horizon.
Do you really think that airplanes would have glass in the cockpit that distorts the pilots view?
Does the windshield in your car cause the horizon to curve? No!
Flat-earthers push aside the witness and photos of countless astronomers throughout the years and around the world, who have taken pictures of the planets and distant galaxies.
They proclaim that there are no real planets, and that they are just projections or lights. There are astronomy clubs at many schools and astronomy groups in most major cities, who take pictures of the moon, stars, planets and distant galaxies. There is just no way that all of that is a conspiracy to hide the flat earth theory.
You can buy phone apps that show you where to look in the sky for planets, so that you know where to look with your optical telescope.
You can visit astronomy clubs and they will let you look through their optical telescopes, to see the planets and distance galaxies for yourself. There is simply no excuse for this laziness!
Read Astronomy Proves The Flat Earth Deception.
Flat earthers push aside the witness of people who work in companies that use satellites.
They proclaim that there are no satellites, but that everything is done through cables or ground-based antennas.
- Meteorologists around the world use satellites to show storms like hurricanes.
- Hughes Satellite internet service can’t work with cables or land-based antennas, as the locations that receive the signals are too remote.
- Navstar GPS works in remote areas through satellites.
- Look at a house with the Dish Network, Echostar, DirectTV. What direction is the dish pointed to? The sky!!!
- Look at a remote-location TV news crew, where is their dish pointed to? The sky!
- Sirius radio provides signals to you when you are far away from ground based antennas
- Look at remote military units and military facilities to see where their dishes are pointed to. The sky!
To deny satellites is to deny the existence of a space program covering the US, EU, Russia, China, India, Brazil, employing tens of millions of people and spending tens of billions of dollars a year, putting satellites in orbit, sending probes everywhere, creating the GPS system, satellite TV, etc.
It would mean that all of that is faked, on an ongoing basis, and none of these tens of millions of people has ever exposed the lie. Read Satellites Prove The Flat Earth Deception.
They push aside the many people who have been to Antarctica as a researcher or tourist.
Flat earthers proclaim that the ice ring is protected so that nobody can see the end of the flat earth. But that is ludicrous as people visit every year for research and for tourism.
Read Antarctica Proves The Flat Earth Deception
So why is the flat earth a topic these days?
More and more people on Facebook and YouTube are promoting the flat earth theory, with ridiculous explanations that prove nothing. Many of these people expose other conspiracies that have been foisted upon us; and they expose the truth about the Father and Son’s true names, about the Holy Feast Days, corrupt Bibles, etc.
So I believe that the enemy is getting them to believe in the flat-earth theory, so that others will discount all that they are proclaiming. It’s called a PSYOP, a Psychological Operation.
I think that flat-earthers are going to make everyone so tired of hearing about it, that people will not seek any of the truths that they share. Many of them opening condemn everyone who doesn’t believe it, calling them fools and globeheads.
The story that Christians believed in a flat earth until Columbus’ time, and for some time thereafter, began as part of a fictional story that was elevated to historical fact by late 19th-century Darwinists who used it primarily as a means to ridicule Christians. Sadly that appears to be happening again, as truthers who proclaim the flat earth are being ridiculed.
I hope that this page has helped to open your eyes to the truth, that the earth is a globe.
If you have some insight to prove that what I have shown is not correct, please comment below. If you just want to make statements, without any proof; or if you just want to make accusations against me; then your comment may not be added to the discussion.
David
p.s. My explanations are logical, and are based on what we can see. I don’t offer scientific explanations, because that is not my strength. Sadly, I see flat earthers mocking scientific explanations about the globe earth, but giving really unscientific answers.
It’s not my explanation. It’s yours.
The original Scriptures, both old and new, were all completed by year 100 AD. My research found that Geo-centrism was not postulated (thought up) until 150 AD or later. Before measurements and calculations, the authors had no choice but to base their understanding on their own personal observations. They absolutely felt motionless and they absolutely observed the sun, moon and stars moving. The only understanding available to them at that time was that the heavens were moving and changing. It wasn’t even a choice. They did not have the concept, much less the understanding, to even consider the possibility that they were spinning around. Why, because not only did they feel motionless, the stuff in the sky kept moving and changing, i.e. moon phases, planet retrograde, comets, eclipses, etc. Put yourself there. You are standing still, you feel no movement whatsoever, you might be at the edge of a completely calm and windless glass-like lake, and you look up in both the day and night and see things “moving” and, not only moving, but, changing and sometimes changing in a spectacular, fear-of-god invoking way, like a total solar eclipse. What they conveyed by word-of-mouth and ultimately in writing, which we believe is truth, is, in fact, the truth. They weren’t wrong which means the Scriptures aren’t wrong. We don’t need to reconcile Scriptures with observations today, especially in a literal way. Doing so will always create discrepancies because the discrepancies are real. They are a byproduct of the passage of time. The enemy sows the see of doubt and takes advantage of these discrepancies. Therefore, every word is true and nowhere does it say we are required to believe in a literal way. Our requirements now are to repent, be baptized, and follow Yahushua. After which we are to obey the law written on our hearts and not on tables of stone. The creation, or more precisely, our interpretation of it is virtually irrelevant.
When the sun stood still, it was the Earth that was stopped. When the sun turned back 10 degrees, it was the Earth that was reversed. It was, as you said, impossible for them to tell the difference and their writings reflect such. Today, we have greater understanding of Yahweh’s creation. This does not make old writings wrong. We can still believe those things happened (sun standing still) and focus on the purpose of those things happening… to magnify and glorify Yahweh.
Therefore, terms like “fixed” and “immovable” might not mean that the Earth is motionless in a literal way. They could simply mean that our world and everything in it and outside of it were created by one and one only, the “I AM” under which there are no others and only He can move or change it. The fact that He is responsible for creation is the point that glorifies Him, not the resulting product. Getting humans to recognize, love and glorify Him is always His purpose.
Imagine you have the power to create anything. Imagine you are timeless. Imagine that what you are can be described with one word… love. Imagine you want to demonstrate your love. It makes more sense that you would go to not just great lengths, but, unimaginable lengths… because you can. In order for us to even be here and have this conversation, Yahweh went to those lengths. All we have to do is recognize it… that He created the beginning, He created the big bang, He purposely set things in motion with the perfect parameters, variables and settings just so that, some 14 billion years down the road (which is less than a moment in time for Him) we could exist. This is why every new discovery only magnifies Yahweh to me and science has never disproved his existence. We are meant to be awestruck at creation whether it be the complexity of a tiny gnat, or billions of galaxies. He did it ALL for one purpose and one purpose only… love. Think of the two greatest commandments upon which all others are hung.
This is how I can believe every word is true and, at the same time, accept the enormity of creation, the reality of the universe and even time itself.
TJ
You make the statement that the earth was stopped and moved back, but you have no proof of that. Stopping the sun implies that the sun was moving.
And Psalm 19:1-6 declares exactly that, that the sun is moving in a circuit, through the 12 constellations to declare the Gospel narrative.
Ps 19:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Ps 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
Ps 19:3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
Ps 19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
Ps 19:5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
Ps 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his (the suns) circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
It’s declaring that the sun is going forth, that it’s moving in a circuit (circle).
To the website owner, for starters, anybody who is addressing Jesus as Yahua or Yeshua or some other elitist name, or who has to openly state they are praying against demonic attack – those who think in these terms are generally to be avoided like the plague. As if our Great God isn’t capable of upholding His people who trust in Him! Secondly, it is obvious within 10 seconds of looking at your site that this is a hurriedly put together shill site (your arguments are appallingly shallow). Thirdly, why not set up an open debate page with a christian flat earther (i dont mind being that person at all!) and choose a pertinet ball earth argument for the flat earther to refute. This way, the reader can see quite clearly the original proof required by your ball earth site and the flat earth response, as well as the intellectual inconsistencies revealed in either argument. Simply put, this means that when your godless, laughable ball earth beliefs are defeated in a public forum, your fascile ball earth replies will be writ large for all to see, and without too much hard work required on behalf of the reader. As a starter, please post the verse(s) in the Bible that supports your ball earth theory and those that refute the motionless flat earth construct. Hmmm. This will be interesting. And finally, if I didnt have such a strong suspicion your site was intent only on evil, I would certainly be a lot more polite. However, when Jesus confronted the false teachers of His day, He wasted no time in naming satan as their father. Likewise to you, no ball earth persons would go to so much trouble to try to redress the thousands upon thousands of people waking up to God’s Glorious flat earth unless they had some dark, antichrist ulterior motive. Incidentally, whenever I go out, I will always endeavour to wear my flat earth t-shirts, and I do so with great anticipation of the questions that I will always get asked which INVARIABLY lead to me giving my testimony as a christian and what Jesus has done for me in my life. And it also opens the way for me to be able to pray for those who stop and ask me about my shirts. My t-shirts lead to sharing the love of Jesus. Stop for just a few seconds to let that assimilate in your brain. As if some dark, satanic, flat earth, new world order conspiracy would lead to such a wonderful outcome and so often! When these discussions are led by flat earth proponents who have discernment, who have the Holy Spirt, who exhibit gentleness and have a brain, those conversations are ALWAYS glorious. Flat earth discussion leads to a Creator, your ball earth ultimately leads only to nihilsm – the ultimate aim of the satanic spinning ball earth agenda.
The fact that you don’t understand that the Father’s personal name is declared in the Scriptures is the first sign that you’re clueless. God and Lord are titles, not names. The Father’s name is YaHUaH, as YHUH is the tetragrammaton which is written in the manuscripts.
You say that within 10 seconds you determined that this is a shill site, but then you accuse me of teaching the heliocentric globe earth, which means that you didn’t even read/comprehend the first few paragraphs of the home page, which declare that I believe that the earth is geocentric.
Why would I want to debate someone like you, who obviously hasn’t even considered the explanations of this website? The explanations are simple (not shallow) but profound, and I noticed that you didn’t bother explaining how they are wrong. No, like a typical flat earther, you just make statements and accusations.
If you can’t understand simple explanations, such as the sun and moon never change size from their appearance on the east horizon, to when they are directly overhead, to when they set in the west; you’re not capable of a rational discussion.
I’ve simply shared what the Spirit showed me when I pursued truth about the shape of the earth and its orientation in the universe. My explanations may not all be perfect, but there is no evil intent, no agenda, just the pursuit of truth.
If you had any integrity you would have noted that I believe that the earth is at the center of the universe, which is half of the flat earthers argument; that we’re not flying through space or spinning. Instead you dismiss that and justify your impolite statements.
You ask for a list of verses which support the ball earth, which means that you didn’t review this site much at all, maybe for 10 seconds, before you felt compelled to mouth off.
I listed the verses on The Hidden Option Of The Geocentric Globe Earth page.
And I refuted the ridiculous explanations that flat earthers cite about Bible verses proclaiming that the earth is flat on this page. http://flatearthdeception.com/biblical-proofs-of-the-globe-earth/
You mention an antichrist motive in making this website, but if you’re like most flat earthers, you don’t even know who is the antichrist of Scripture. You spend so much time trying to push the flat earth theory that you’ve neglected understanding the fulfillment of prophecy.
I explain the fulfillment of Revelation, which proves that the Elohim of the Scriptures is the One True Elohim; as most of Revelation has been fulfilled in exacting detail.
I teach the fulfillment of the 70th week of Daniel, which is the one Scripture that declared when the promised Messiah would appear. That proves out the Elohim of Scripture.
I teach the fulfillment of Messiah’s Olivet Discourse, which again proves that prophecy is fulfilled in exacting detail, proving the Elohim of Scriptures.
It’s comical that you think that this website was put together in a hurried fashion, as there are so many profound explanations which prove that the earth is not flat. You probably didn’t even look through all of the pages. The explanations are simple and profound. Please prove to me how they are all wrong.
If being a flat earther means being like you, no thanks!
Rephrase: They were not wrong.
TJ
I look forward to reading your explanation of what the authors were saying, which points to the heliocentric view.
You a mixing apples and oranges. I can address our movement through the universe, but, it has nothing to do with the speed problem. The same problem persists whether we/our galaxy are moving through space at a combined rate of 742K mph.. or at zero mph. With Earth being the center of the universe, we don’t have to look beyond our solar system to necessitate faster-than-light travel. I don’t think you are understanding what this means. Neptune is an observable body that is, cosmologically speaking, extremely close to us. It takes 165 earth years for Neptune to get around the Sun once. It is not logical to believe it simultaneously travels at light speed to encircle earth. For me, the only way to hold this belief would be if I did not fully understand how extremely enormous the distances are and how extremely fast light travels. Here is how many miles light travels in 165 years: 9693092761122048. And, that’s AT the speed of light, not faster. Add to this the fact that distant galaxies would have to travel thousand or millions of times faster than light to fit any geo model. Huge, enormous, gigantic and colossal are not a big enough terms to describe just how big a problem this is for the geo model.
The geo model is disproved by distance and light speed UNLESS we dismiss one or the other to make it work leaving only two possibilities:
The speed of light is NOT a constant and it CAN be exceeded. Therefore, all heavenly bodies farther away from us than Neptune can and do travel at faster-than-light speed to complete a 24 hour circuit; and, the further away a body, the faster it must go.
OR
The speed of light IS a constant and CANNOT be exceeded. Therefore, all heavenly bodies including all local planets, our galaxy, and all galaxies and objects in the entire universe CANNOT be farther away from us than the reported distance of NEPTUNE.
Think about what you said that the objects in the sky might be closer than reported. This would mean that every single star in our own galaxy and all galaxies in the entire universe would have to be closer to us than the reported distance of Neptune. I don’t believe that you believe that.
Now is the time to reassess our interpretations of Scripture on this issue. I will share with you what I found and I will show you how the authors are not lying.
TJ
Who said that the authors are lying?
David,
I agree its difficult, if not impossible, based on visual observations alone to tell what moves. Same goes with a very slowly rotating merry-go-round or a rotating restaurant… are we rotating, or is the land revolving around us? Once we acquire more information/data, the answer becomes clear. In this case, the information that clarifies is light speed and distance. It doesn’t matter which model we consider (geo earth/geo sun). Both require faster-than-light travel.
I don’t know what you mean by “scientifically minded.” We do not need a degree in physics to understand distance and light speed. David, you ARE scientifically minded and you DO have the ability to consider that outer planets and stars and other galaxies have to travel faster than light to fit your proposition. This is a major point that applies to everything you have done on this site. You MUST consider the travel speeds. That you say you don’t know or they MIGHT be closer than reported is a huge problem for me. You can’t explain your theory and in order for me to accept a geocentric model, I have to believe stars and galaxies either exceed light speed, or they are as close as Neptune. Do you believe either of those things? You can’t do all this work and say “I don’t know.”
Yes, I agree the helio model could be wrong, or I would be they hypocrite. But, faster-than-light travel is not necessary or even an issue in the helio model.
TJ
TJ, I simply mean that I’m not knowledgeable enough in the area of science to prove out the geocentric model, and the speed of the stars. Not knowing those things doesn’t disprove my theory, it just means that more information is needed.
But given the two options, the heliocentric model and the geocentric model, I’ll side with what I believe that Scripture is proclaiming, that the earth is fixed and unmovable, and that the sun circles the earth.
I’ll side with my believe that the flat earth movement is a reaction to the information that is being gathered from scientific probes, which point to earth as the center of the universe.
The enemy is the master of the false dichotomy, in this case the flat earth and the heliocentric earth, which serves to hide the truth, which I believe is the geocentric globe earth.
My role on this website is simply to share what I’ve learned and what I believe about the topic.
This website was written as a result of my investigation about whether the earth is flat, as so many people around me proclaim that it is. The mission of this website is to help them see that the earth is not flat. I’ve done that.
Half of the argument of the flat earthers is that earth is not flying through space. You point to the stars having to move too fast in the geocentric model, they point out that the view of the stars never changes, so how are we flying through space at the speed? Are the stars moving with us at the same exact speed?
David
David,
There are so many proofs on your site that I totally agree with. But, on the geocentric model, I keep coming back to the rotation speed issue. For a flatearther, the “firmament” is a dome. It is limited in its depth because there is something else above/beyond it, i.e., “waters” and, if taken literally, the throne of Yahweh. Therefore, a flatearther has to proclaim one of two possibilities…
The depth of the firmament is limited and so close that it does not need to travel faster than light in order to complete one revolution in 24 hours; or, the speed of light is somehow not relevant to the movement of the planets and stars.
You said it yourself on the Bible page of your site:
“Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Firmament – flat earthers say that this is the dome, but the Scripture is declaring that the sun and moon were set in the firmament. The firmament is the expanse of the heavens, not the dome.”
Therefore, I assume you believe that the planets and stars really are very far away from us. Here is some information that I found relevant to how fast stars and planets would have to move to complete one revolution around us in a 24 hour period. I just want to say that my original assumption was that this would be a question of how far galaxies really are. To my surprise, we don’t even have to leave our solar system to necessitate faster-than-light travel to race around our Earth. Without doing the math myself, here’s what I found:
“The most obvious one is that distant stars are light years away. If they circle us once per day, they must move faster than light, which is impossible! This is true even for Neptune; at its distance it would have to move at just faster than light to make one circle every 24 hours.”
To this I would say that the existence of humans is not necessary. If we were not here, we can assume the stars and planets would behave the same way. Therefore, a cover up does NOT explain the geocentric model. We would have to ignore the limit of light speed in order to accept the geocentric model. The speed of light can be demonstrated by experiment and repeated. I simply can’t ignore proof in order to accept unproven theory.
Lastly, I want to address one of your more recent comments. Someone posted a comment that challenged the geocentric model and made some logical points. Your response was essentially that you were going to ignore all that and rely SOLELY on Scripture (and your interpretation of it.) This is exactly what flatearthers do. It’s disingenuous of you to put up such an extensive site that relies not only on Scripture, but, a lot of science and math. Then, when challenged, you say that you will rely on what Scripture says; and, ignore all the math and science except for that which you choose to post. This is not a fair way to debate. When a debater says, “I don’t care what you say or what the evidence proves, I will rely on Scripture exclusively.” then there is no debate.
So, I ask. How does the geocentric model work? Do outer planets and stars travel faster than the speed of light or not? Please explain.
I hope you can come to realize that, while your research is extensive and well presented, your conclusions about a geocentric Earth might be wrong.
TJ
TJ,
I’ve said that from an earthly perspective it’s difficult to tell the difference between the heliocentric and geocentric model based on our observation of the heavenly bodies.
Are you basing your explanation on the planets revolving around the earth? or the sun? Because the model that I’ve shown is the Tychonic geocentric model, which has the planets revolving around the sun, and the sun revolving around the earth.
I understand what you’re saying about the speed of the stars, and I can’t explain it, as I’m not really scientifically-minded. They may be closer than is reported.
I did not say that I was going to ignore the science. Since we can’t see the difference between the heliocentric model and the Tychonic geocentric model, I believe that Scripture points to the geocentric model, so I said that I’ll side with that explanation.
I’ve simply provided information that most flat-earthers are not aware of, so that they can see that scientific probes may show that the earth is the center of the universe, but which also prove that the earth is a globe.
I’ve simply said that Scripture points to a non-moving earth and a moving sun. If the sun can be stopped or moved back, that means that it was moving.
Psalm 19:6 says that the sun is moving through its circuit. “His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.”
I’ve never said that my conclusion is right, but to me it’s the one that makes the most sense. It makes sense that when the evidence of the scientific probes was released, which seem to show that the globe earth is the center of the universe; that the enemy pushed the flat earth theory, to hide the evidence, and to cause people to mock the geocentric position.
Every model is a theory until proven without a doubt.
I hope you realize that the heliocentric Earth might be wrong.
David
Hey David,
What happened to Jeran’s comments? I also can’t find some other recent comments. What gives?
TJ
WordPress shows that he commented on the Astronomy Proves the Flat Earth Deception page, but when I go to the page I don’t see it. Sometimes WordPress is weird like that with comments, I don’t know why.
Thanks for your reply. I have been thinking about the things that must occur before the return of Jesus. It is interesting how you commented to someone regarding how they who control things will continue with their false whatevers. We have been in a one world government ever since Adam and Eve were sent out from Paradise, that government is our deal with evil. We have had an AntiChrist spirit too, because we have turned to other things as our God. We have also have had and continue to have one world religion because all religions are not of God Our Creator. The Creator of Good not evil.
According to your teachings Jesus will come on the Feast of Trumpets. It is too late this year because those other things have not happened. One World etc So now we can only hope for next year. I feel terrible.
Suzanne, the Feast of Trumpets was on Monday, 9/10; so we’ll she how things play out during the next year in regard to WW III, a worldwide economic collapse, and the formation of the One World Government. Here’s my study on the Scriptural calendar. http://comeoutofher.org/constantine-replaced-the-scriptural-calendar/
Hi Nathan.
I thoroughly enjoy and appreciate your videos. Just watched one on Mormons and flat earth. Have you seen the book I linked below?
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It was for sale in Amazon but is not now. My guess is because of the rise of the interest FE. It was on Amazon two weeks ago.
Had to search hard to find this link. It’s definatly getting harder to find legit info.
Anyway, God bless you and your family.
P.S. My husband is very resistant to FE. Do you have any advice or a video you could direct me to that desls with that topic?