If you’re a flat earther, have you studied the context of the Bible verses which are being cited to proclaim “the Bible says flat earth”?
This book goes through all 240 verses that people like Nathan Roberts cite, to show you the proper context; because if you’re promoting this list, then you’re accountable for the explanations.
It gives a fresh perspective about the ‘firmament‘ of Genesis; the ‘circle‘ of Isaiah 40:22; the clay turned to the ‘seal‘ in Job 38:13-14; the ‘pillars‘ of 1 Samuel 2:8; the sun going forth in his ‘circuit‘ of Psalms 19:6; and much more.
If you know someone who believes that the Scriptures describes a domed, flat earth; it will help you understand their rationale in citing these verses.
If you’re a believer who’s researching the flat earth, this book is critical for you.
If you believe in the heliocentric universe, have you read what Moses, Job, David, and Isaiah; declared about the earth, the sun, and the stars? The Bible describes a sun that moves in a circuit, which has been stopped, and has been moved back. And it describes an earth that is fixed. The Bible is purely geocentric, and there is no Scriptural justification for the heliocentric model.
The Bible also describes the lower circular layers which hold back the fountains of the deep; the spherical layers of atmosphere around the globe earth; the constellations on the ecliptic which encircles the globe earth; and the celestial sphere of stars which surround the globe earth as a tent, as a tabernacle.
The enemy is hiding the geocentric globe earth universe with the false narratives of the heliocentric universe and the flat earth model.
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The stars in the southern hemisphere prove that the earth is a globe.
On the flat earth model, if people in Australia, South Africa and South America, were all facing South, they would be facing opposite directions, so there’s no way that they can all see Sigma Octantis in the Octans constellation, which does not move. Yet people in those three Southern Hemisphere continents can look south and see stars circling around the south celestial pole.
This proves that the north and south celestial pole stars are at the top and bottom of the celestial sphere, and the other stars are circling the globe Earth.
Flat-earthers proclaim that this is possible because when people are looking south, they’re seeing a reflection off of the glass dome of the stars in the northern hemisphere.
But that is a false explanation, as the stars in the northern hemisphere are different than the stars in the southern hemisphere. Here are the constellations in the northern hemisphere.
Here are the constellations in the southern hemisphere.
Question for flat earthers: What is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes its path, to move from the larger circle of the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 mile circumference) to the much smaller circle of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 mile circumference)?
And what is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes speed from 1,322 MPH on the larger circle to 771 MPH on the smaller circle, to complete exactly one revolution per day?
Please comment below. Thank you!
Note: the numbers for the tropics are based on the supposed flat earth map, not on the globe. The supposed flat earth map is distorted, as it’s a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe earth. So though the Tropics on the globe earth have a circumference of 22,847 miles, on the flat earth map they are distorted. Using the equator as a baseline at 24,901 miles in circumference; the numbers of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 miles) and the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 miles) are based on the geometry of the azimuthal projection; not the actual globe.
After a lot of research, I believe that the enemy has created a deception regarding the design of the universe.
The Illuminati card game has a Flat Earth card that says “People laugh, but the flat earthers know something”. What flat earthers know is that the earth isn’t flying through space orbiting the sun. Astronomers and scientists have not proved that the Earth is moving.
And from our Earthly perspective, the planets and stars appear the same regardless of whether it’s the Copernican heliocentric view or the Tychonic geocentric view.
The deception is that the enemy has caused people to promote the heliocentric view based on philosophy, to not involve a Creator in the explanation of the design of the universe. And that led to the big bang theory, the theory of evolution, etc.; all of which steals glory from our Creator, and deceives people.
It wasn’t until scientific probes produced data about the radiation of the expanding universe, and the orientation of the quasars and radio galaxies; that researches were able to see that all of those things were pointing back to Earth as the center of the universe.
These findings were published in a book titled ‘Geocentrism 101 – An Introduction into the Science of Geocentric Cosmology‘ in 2013, and then explained in a movie called The Principle in late 2014.
Then shortly afterward the flat earth theory was aggressively pushed on YouTube and Facebook, to try to cover over the evidence, and to cause people to dismiss anyone who teaches that the Earth is geocentric.
The enemy has created a false dichotomy, so that the debate is between the geocentric flat earth vs. the heliocentric globe earth; so that people don’t consider the third option, that of the geocentric globe earth.
It puts the Earth at the center of the universe, proving a Designer/Creator, and explains why stars perfectly circle the Earth; while maintaining the laws of physics of the globe earth and the surrounding elaborate universe, which is a precision time-piece. Please read the geocentric Earth page, to see the scientific research that proves that we are at the center of the universe.
I’m not declaring that the earth is geocentric, as I can’t prove it scientifically; but when you look at how Bible verses seem to point to a geocentric earth, it’s an option that we need to consider. Read through the website, and you decide.
If you’re a flat-earther, you can decide to click away, thinking that you know the truth; but I would hope that your goal is to find the whole truth, not to defend a position.
People like Nathan Roberts and Rob Skiba point to Bible verses which they proclaim prove that the earth is flat; but the verses are taken out of context, and some of them prove that the earth is a globe.
Please read this Biblical Proofs Of The Geocentric Globe Earth study and decide for yourself.
Why would the enemy create the flat earth deception? Because most flat earthers are sharing truth in other areas, whether it’s about coming out of churchianity, about the Illuminati and their agenda, etc.; so by getting them to believe in the flat earth, they cause family and friends to stop listening to all that they teach.
On this page I will address the major challenges that I’ve found with the flat earth theory, which are explained in more detail on the other pages.
Here’s a video from the Geographic South Pole, looking straight up, which proves that the earth is not flat.
We can see the perfect circle of stars which is only possible on the globe earth, as no point on the supposed ice ring would show the stars circling overhead.
Here’s a video of a 5-day time-lapse from March 8-13, 2017, taken from the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station, which proves that the earth is not flat.
Airplane Video Proves Sun Is Not 3,000 Miles Above The Flat Earth
This observation is impossible on a Flat Earth with a Sun 3000 Miles above. We can clearly see the Sun on the Horizon from 43,000 ft. The clouds beneath us are illuminated from below but are dark on top.
This geometry is impossible on a Flat Earth. Of course – it works just fine on a Globe.
The Nikon P900 camera debunks the flat earth.
This video shows one ship that is moored near the horizon line, and the distant ship behind it which is well below the horizon; proving the curvature of the earth.
Some flat earthers commented that you should see the distant ship ’tilting’ if the Earth is curved, but the distance equates to only .23 degrees of tilt, which is not perceivable.
Sorry Flat Earthers The Equinox Geometry does NOT work on a Flat Earth.
The Flat Earth fails to explain the real observations we can make on the Equinox twice per year.
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A commercial pilot who is based out of Australia, who makes international flights in the southern hemisphere, shows that flat earthers cannot produce a legitimate pilots flight plan.
The video description says: A message to Flat Earthers. If you can’t show me a map that works and you can’t tell me how to navigate precisely around the real Earth you are wasting your time telling me the Earth is Flat. I can and do navigate precisely around the real Earth and I have been doing this safely for over 30 years using the Globe. Time to start producing real results guys. The same old nonsense arguments won’t cut it here any longer.
Flat earthers misrepresent the size of the sun, to proclaim that it gets smaller as it sets.
Here’s one of Wolfie6020‘s short videos where he used two cameras to record at the same time, one with a solar filter, one without.
This video shows how the size of the sun in the hazy sky changes as the camera automatically adjusts.
Flat earthers tell us to trust our perspective, but when we do that, we see that the sun and moon do not line up with the flat earth theory.
Flat earthers proclaim that the moon is a flat disc, but that simply cannot be true.
This is so easily disproved, that it’s nonsensical for flat earthers to proclaim it.
The shadows on the moon prove that it is being illuminated from an external light source.
Flat earthers cite Genesis 1:16 and say the the world ‘light‘ means that the moon is self-illuminated.
“And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”
The Hebrew word for ‘light’ points to a luminous body. It does not say that it provides its own illumination. ma’owr; properly, a luminous body or luminary, i.e. (abstractly) light (as an element): figuratively, brightness, i.e.cheerfulness; specifically, a chandelier:—bright, light.
Of course they have no way to scientifically explain how the moon illuminates itself, like we do for the Sun. And they cannot explain how the moon changes its illumination so that we see crescent moons and half moons.
It’s impossible for people on the flat earth model to see the same side of the moon.
We would see different sides of the moon, on the flat earth model.
The sun and moon do not vanish as a small dot over the horizon; but rather, they rise up from under the horizon and set below the horizon.
On the flat earth, objects that are moving away would simply grow smaller and disappear at the vanishing point, but they would always stay above the horizon. But every day we see the Sun rise up from under the horizon, and set down below the horizon.
It’s impossible for the sun to rise due East and set due West on the Equinox days.
The sun does not rise and set at the proper locations on the flat earth model.
The paths of the 2017 and 2024 solar eclipses across the United States are impossible to explain on the flat earth model.
There is no scientific explanation for the solar eclipse on the flat earth model, and we can clearly see that the path of the eclipse across the United States, cannot match up with the circular path of the flat earth sun.
How do flat earthers scientifically predict upcoming solar and lunar eclipses? They don’t! There is no scientific data which shows what causes the eclipses (many flat earthers say that the moon doesn’t cause the solar eclipse), and when they will happen.
The Spring and Fall Equinox is a great time to prove whether the earth is flat or a globe.
Geodetic surveying shows that angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that Earth is curved. This is called ‘spherical excess’.
Flat earthers push aside 100’s of years worth of measurements that have been recorded by geodesic surveyors all over the earth.
These surveyors have painstakingly taken measurements from point to point, and using geometry and triangulation, have determined the size of continents, and the shape of the earth. Triangulation on a flat earth would yield 180 degree sums, but surveyors have found that the sums are greater than 180 degrees, which proves the arc of the earth. Read Geodesy Proof Of The Flat Earth Deception.
One of the biggest perspective problems is that flat earthers are applying the 8″ per mile squared earth curvature formula to wrong line.
The 8″ per mile squared calculation does not measure the curvature of the line of sight, your horizon line; it extends far beyond what you can see.
Let’s apply this to a picture to see the difference between the level line and the horizon line.
Here is the Earth’s Curve Horizon, Bulge, Drop, and Hidden Calculator, which people use to try to prove that the earth isn’t curved. This is the default setting of the globe earth with a radius of 3,959 miles, which shows that if your view height is 6 feet, then your horizon line is 3 miles away. And that’s pretty much what we see in real life.
Most photos from flat earthers are taken from an elevated position, which extends the horizon line; so just plug the estimated height of the elevated position into the Metabunk Earth’s Curve Formula, and you will see that the horizon line matches up; proving the curved Earth.
In the below calculation I used the Advanced option to add 7 zeroes after the planet radius, to mimic a planet that is so big that the flat top is bigger than the supposed flat earth. And it shows that if your view height is 6 feet, your horizon line is 9,482 miles away.
Now of course your eyes can’t see that far, but a good telescope would be able to see across the flat plain to be able to see that far. The point is that if the earth really were flat, then you would be able to see much, much further than 3 miles.
Californians should be able to see Hawaii with a telescope, or Mt. McKinley, which is 20,000 feet high. From atop of Pike Peaks, which is 14,000 feet high, I should be able to use a powerful telescope to see all of America.
But the reason that we can only see to the horizon line is because the earth is curved; you are seeing the bulge of the Earth.
Here is a more technical explanation of the Earth curvature formula, to see how it is being misapplied by flat earthers.
There are a lot of explanations on this website which counter the flat earth explanations, but first let’s set the record straight about the map that most flat-earthers are using.
The map that flat-earthers use actually represents the globe earth!
Before computers, mapping out airplane flight routes was a challenge, as they had to use a globe, or images of the northern and southern hemispheres, like these.
To resolve this problem they created the azimuthal equidistant map, which allowed them to see all of the continents on one 2D map.
In order to do this, the bottom half of the globe earth had to be flared out into the outer circles. On the north-polar azimuthal projection map the northern hemisphere is shown in the inner circle, and the southern hemisphere is shown in the flared out circle that surrounds it.
These maps can be centered from anywhere. If you were planning flights from London, you would center it on London. North-polar azimuthal projection maps were used during times of war, and the polar route is the shortest distance between countries.
Rendering a globe earth onto a 2D image always cause some distortion. On the azimuthal projection map, the further away the land mass is from the center point, the greater the distortion. This is why Australia looks so wide, as it’s been stretched.
Since the continent of Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way to graphically represent it on the north-polar azimuthal projection map is by turning it inside out, and spreading it out as a white ring on the outside edge.
The South Pole is graphically represented by the outside line of the map. You can see that the white ring has several bays that match up to the Ross Sea, which is close to New Zealand; and Weddell Sea, which is close to South America.
Below is a south-polar azimuthal equidistant projection map. You can see that Antarctica and Australia are now normal size, as they are close to the center point; but North America and Euro-Russia are very distorted. And you can see that the outside edge is blue, because opposite of the South Pole is water on the North Pole.
Here is a equidistant projection map that is centered on Santiago, Chile. North and South America are normal size, as is Antarctica, since they are close to the center point; but Euro-Russia is greatly distorted, so much so that it is graphically rendered as a ring around the outside edge (just like the north-polar map).
You can make your own azimuthal equidistant projection maps on this website. You just need to enter the location; such as 90N,0W for the north pole; and 90S, 0W for the south pole.
Here is a Hammond’s north-polar equidistant map for airplane travel, which is the same map that flat earthers use.
It has both sides of the globe represented, which are declaring that it is a projection of the globe earth onto a 2D map. You can clearly see the continent of Antarctica on the bottom of the globes in white.
This close-up shows you that the globe declares the continent of Antarctica and the South Pole; and then again on the projection map. It is declaring that the outside line is the South Pole. It’s clearly telling you that the continent of Antarctica on the globe earth is represented as the white ring on the projection map.
On the bottom left of the map is a guide to the distances between meridian (N-S) lines. The distance increases up to the equator, and then decrease at the same rate to the South Pole. It’s declaring that though on the projection map it appears that the distances are become greater (because the southern hemisphere is flared out so that you can see it on a 2D projection map), that in fact they are getting smaller because the earth is globe-shaped.
This Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe.
Notice that it doesn’t have an ice wall! That is because they didn’t include the continent of Antarctica, because it is so greatly distorted.
Here is the call out box on the top right:
It says “Since it is impossible to spread the surface of a globe on a flat surface without distortion, all maps are distorted in some respects. In this map the distortion occurs in the east and west distances. This distortion increases gradually from the North Pole to the Equator, and then quite rapidly to the outer limits. The distortion of the Antarctic areas would be so great that these are not shown.”
So they didn’t even include the supposed ‘ice wall’, because it’s not an ice wall; it’s the continent of Antarctica, which is greatly distorted by the algorithm used to make the projection map. Since Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way for the program to render it was to stretch it out as a circle. The outer circle is the South Pole. The continent has been inverted.
To prove that the supposed ice wall is really the distorted and inverted continent of Antarctica, here is an image that has the outer white ring and the continent of Antarctica.
The image keeps the land mass around the outside edge, and has the continent of Antarctica in the middle, as that is what is on the bottom of the globe. The land mass is exaggerated, as the outside ring representation is exaggerated. The continent is inverted to match the inverted outer circle, as the equidistant view is from the top down.
Look at the left side of the continent, which is small compared to the right side. That matches the thin land mass of the left, compared to the right. Now look at the peninsula on the left lower side at 240 degrees. It matches the peninsula on Antarctica.
The top of the circle is very thin and has a recess. That matches the curvature of the top of Antarctica.
On the bottom right at 110 degrees, there is a small indentation. That matches the bay on the southeast part of Antarctica.
Let’s take it one step further. The bottom left red line shows that the meridian lines runs from the bay of Antarctica through South America. The bottom left red lines shows that the meridian line runs from the small bay runs through Asia. The top red line shows that the meridian line runs from the other large bay in between North America and Russia.
The azimuthal equidistant map projection is only a tool, to help determine distances and flight maps on a globe earth.
Every time a flat-earther posts an explanation about direct airplane flights that they say is wrong on a globe earth; they are using this equidistant map, which is a globe map. Or worse, they use a Mercator projection map.
Flat earthers take words out of context to say that the Bible declares a flat earth.
They cite the words “pillars of the earth” to proclaim that the flat earth sit on top of pillars.
“He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and he hath set the world upon them.” 1 Samuel 2:8
Read 1 Samuel 2:2-7, 9-10; you see that the word ‘pillars’ is referring to leaders of the earth, not physical pillars that support the flat earth.
Just like the saying that someone is a ‘pillar in the community’, it is declaring they are a strong leader. The context is clearly about Elohim raising seemingly lowly people and making them the leaders of the earth. It is not talking about the design of the physical earth!
Flat earthers say that the ‘circle‘ in Isaiah 40:22 is declaring a flat circle earth.
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.
And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19
He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the heavenly circle, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.
Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21
Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32
The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.
We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the celestial sphere (circle) of the stars of the Mazzoroth.
Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26
“He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4
So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.
The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”
Stop manipulating the Word of Elohim! Read Biblical Proofs Of The Flat Earth Deception.
One of the most misleading things that proponents of the flat earth say is to ‘use your perspective as proof‘.
The challenge is that we are a small human on a large earth, so our perception is distorted.
We can only see so wide and far, so staring at a horizon that is only a few miles wide, we cannot see the curvature.
Flatearthers posts pictures from airplanes which seem to have a straight horizon, but when you put a line across the photo, you can see the curvature. In this image you can see the line is level with the horizon at the airplane pillar, and that there is a gap on the left and right side.
On this picture the red line is level on the left side, but you can clearly see the gap on the right side.
On this picture the red line is even on the sides, and you can see the curve of the earth in the center.
Flatearthers counter by claiming that airplanes have curved glass that distorts the horizon.
Do you really think that airplanes would have glass in the cockpit that distorts the pilots view?
Does the windshield in your car cause the horizon to curve? No!
Flat-earthers push aside the witness and photos of countless astronomers throughout the years and around the world, who have taken pictures of the planets and distant galaxies.
They proclaim that there are no real planets, and that they are just projections or lights. There are astronomy clubs at many schools and astronomy groups in most major cities, who take pictures of the moon, stars, planets and distant galaxies. There is just no way that all of that is a conspiracy to hide the flat earth theory.
You can buy phone apps that show you where to look in the sky for planets, so that you know where to look with your optical telescope.
You can visit astronomy clubs and they will let you look through their optical telescopes, to see the planets and distance galaxies for yourself. There is simply no excuse for this laziness!
Read Astronomy Proves The Flat Earth Deception.
Flat earthers push aside the witness of people who work in companies that use satellites.
They proclaim that there are no satellites, but that everything is done through cables or ground-based antennas.
- Meteorologists around the world use satellites to show storms like hurricanes.
- Hughes Satellite internet service can’t work with cables or land-based antennas, as the locations that receive the signals are too remote.
- Navstar GPS works in remote areas through satellites.
- Look at a house with the Dish Network, Echostar, DirectTV. What direction is the dish pointed to? The sky!!!
- Look at a remote-location TV news crew, where is their dish pointed to? The sky!
- Sirius radio provides signals to you when you are far away from ground based antennas
- Look at remote military units and military facilities to see where their dishes are pointed to. The sky!
To deny satellites is to deny the existence of a space program covering the US, EU, Russia, China, India, Brazil, employing tens of millions of people and spending tens of billions of dollars a year, putting satellites in orbit, sending probes everywhere, creating the GPS system, satellite TV, etc.
It would mean that all of that is faked, on an ongoing basis, and none of these tens of millions of people has ever exposed the lie. Read Satellites Prove The Flat Earth Deception.
They push aside the many people who have been to Antarctica as a researcher or tourist.
Flat earthers proclaim that the ice ring is protected so that nobody can see the end of the flat earth. But that is ludicrous as people visit every year for research and for tourism.
Read Antarctica Proves The Flat Earth Deception
So why is the flat earth a topic these days?
More and more people on Facebook and YouTube are promoting the flat earth theory, with ridiculous explanations that prove nothing. Many of these people expose other conspiracies that have been foisted upon us; and they expose the truth about the Father and Son’s true names, about the Holy Feast Days, corrupt Bibles, etc.
So I believe that the enemy is getting them to believe in the flat-earth theory, so that others will discount all that they are proclaiming. It’s called a PSYOP, a Psychological Operation.
I think that flat-earthers are going to make everyone so tired of hearing about it, that people will not seek any of the truths that they share. Many of them opening condemn everyone who doesn’t believe it, calling them fools and globeheads.
The story that Christians believed in a flat earth until Columbus’ time, and for some time thereafter, began as part of a fictional story that was elevated to historical fact by late 19th-century Darwinists who used it primarily as a means to ridicule Christians. Sadly that appears to be happening again, as truthers who proclaim the flat earth are being ridiculed.
I hope that this page has helped to open your eyes to the truth, that the earth is a globe.
If you have some insight to prove that what I have shown is not correct, please comment below. If you just want to make statements, without any proof; or if you just want to make accusations against me; then your comment may not be added to the discussion.
David
p.s. My explanations are logical, and are based on what we can see. I don’t offer scientific explanations, because that is not my strength. Sadly, I see flat earthers mocking scientific explanations about the globe earth, but giving really unscientific answers.
I only scanned this article, but will read more of it latter and comment likely again. First I noticed 2 glaring issues that you have not properly addressed in defending the globe.
1) The eclipses are not caused by the Moon nor the Sun, they have something to do with things in the Firmament, the Glass ceiling of the Earth. These Black colored globes have been photographed and seen by multiple people. Also numerous scientist have hit the firmament with small rockets and they bounce back!
2) You don’t understand what the Moon is, it is self illuminated orb! yes, that is right, is the lesser light, even lesser now! The moon phases are caused by the Moon attempting to illuminate and glow again similar to the glory of the sun we have left! I really don’t know enough historically how the moon lost it’s luster. But would guess that those giant circular craters could be a clue, they look to me like electrical discharge marks. Also, many world cultures have stories about there being once 2 suns in orbit and then the moon becomes visible! Why would God describe in one of the Psalm’s that the moon was ‘appointed’ ?
I enjoy reading your posts, but at the risk of you talking so impulsively on subjects you have incomplete knowledge of, I have to say. You sound ill-informed, and maybe a little stupid to some and like an idiot to others.
Also, at the risk of sounding a little callus still, if you read the vision that Nebuchadnezzar had of the Great tree being cut down; God is telling you right there the relative shape of the Earth and the location of True Israel!!!!
In the book of Revelation it tells in a verse, that the Lord died in Sodom and Egypt! Let’s not diminish the Bible, the Israel we are most familiar with is not the true promise land; that was where the tree of Life grew!
Hint, why do you think we have compasses??? I hope your getting this, anyways. You need to gather more information before you make such claims, your doing yourself a disfavor and may be ruining some people’s faith being so cocky and sure of yourself!
Best of Luck in your website, I do enjoy reading it!
Eclipses are caused by black globes? Seriously? During the last solar eclipse, the eclipse shadow made a downward arc from Oregon to South Carolina, across the United States. And the next total eclipse will make a downward arc going the opposite way across the United States. Please explain how these ‘dark globes’ can block the sun, which is orbiting in a circle south of the United States; to create these downward arcs.
Your explanation of how the moon illuminates itself is ridiculous. It’s just a statement, with no scientific proof. Meanwhile we can see that the craters on the far edges of the moon have shadows, which would not exist if the moon was illuminating itself. But instead they are created because the sun is obviously illuminating it.
You give those explanations and then proclaim that I have ‘incomplete knowledge’? Okay!
The tree was King Neb, simple as that. It was symbolism. It wasn’t talking about a real tree. It wasn’t talking about the shape of the earth.
It’s fine to disagree with my explanations, but like a typical flat earther, you feel the need to descend into attacking me; proclaiming that I’m ill-informed, stupid, an idiot, callus, cocky, etc.
Your statements have proven only one thing… your ignorance.
Planes are flying over flat non rotating earth, not around the globe and upsidedown.
Earth is flat, if you do more research you cant go back to globe earth.
It is undeniably flat. There is no measurable or observable curvature using NASA’s own curvature formulas. The heliocentric model is a 500 year old Jesuit conspiracy to enslave the minds of man and take us away from our divinity and purpose.
It’s ridiculous to think that this is a worldwide conspiracy that has continued for hundreds of years; with pilots from around the world who have all cooperated in hiding that the Earth is flat.
Flat earthers think that D. Marble is brilliant for taking a level on a plane, to supposedly prove that the Earth is flat. Seriously?
Wolfie6020, who is a pilot, shows you how to use airplane instruments to prove that the earth is curved. I’ll believe him, thanks. https://youtu.be/skR2gN0swcM
I obviously did my research, thus the many explanations on this website.
Flat earthers don’t know how to apply the curvature formula, as they apply it to the horizon line, not the horizontal line. There is a big difference.
Oh it’s a Jesuit conspiracy alright, designed to discredit truthers, so that people will ignore them.
What bothers me, is when Ball Earthers spread LIES…. For example:
– The Ocean waters do not curve at 8 inches per mile squared, only atmospheric illusions/distortions make it appear that this happens.
Why promote an optical illusion (a lie) as proof of a Ball Earth?
That’s an interesting comment Dan, given that I have not said that on this website; and the video about Lake Pontchartrain proves that water does curve around the Earth.
That said, taking measurements over water does present challenges. I think that a body of water may be influenced by the width of the body of water, its depth, the winds, etc.; but I’m not really scientifically-minded enough to prove it out.
To every person that calls themselves ‘Christians’ who have made the personal choice to believe and follow the ‘Flat-Earth’ Religion of Jeranism
– Have you ever given any consideration to the numerous Biblical WARNINGS that were written by the Apostles Paul – and Peter – and John ?
– Just a few of which are:
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto ANOTHER GOSPEL:
Which is not another;*
but there be some that trouble you, and would PERVERT the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
LET HIM BE ACCURSED.
As we said before, so say I now again,
If any man preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto you than that ye have received,
LET HIM BE ACCURSED.
(Galatians 1:6-9 ~ AV)
But I fear,
lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not preached,
OR if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received,
OR ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted,
YE MIGHT WELL BEAR WITH HIM.
(2 Corinthians 11:3-4 ~ AV)
For there must be also heresies among you,
that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
(1 Corinthians 11:19 ~ AV)
For such are FALSE APOSTLES,
deceitful workers, TRANSFORMING THEMSELVES INTO the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; FOR SATAN HIMSELF IS TRANSFORMED INTO AN ANGEL OF LIGHT.
Therefore it is no great thing if HIS MINISTERS also be TRANSFORMED AS the ministers of righteousness;
whose end shall be according to their works.
(2 Corinthians 11:3-4 ~ AV) + 2 Timothy 3:1-9 & 13 [AV]
The ‘Flat-Earth’ Religion of Jerianism – its Doctrines \ Beliefs \ Philosophies \ Pluralistic Agenda IS NOT a Biblical Doctrine
– For neither “the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” – nor ANY of the Biblical Prophets EVER SPOKE about a ‘Flat-Earth’ – OR – about the Round Earth (Globe) in the 66 Books of “the law of God” – the Holy Bible [AV]
The specific word “FLAT” is written ONLY FOUR (4) times – ONLY in the Old Testament – AND NONE OF THEM are about “THE EARTH”
— (1) “… ,or he that hath a FLAT NOSE, …” : Leviticus 21:18 [AV]
– (2) “… ,and FELL FLAT on his face. … ” : Numbers 22:31 [AV]
— (3) ” … and the wall of the city shall FALL DOWN FLAT, … ” : Joshua 6:5 [AV]
– (4) ” … that the wall FELL DOWN FLAT, … ” : Joshua 6:20 [AV]
– AND – There are ONLY SIX (6) Verses where the words “Jesus” and “earth” are written in the same Verse: Matthew 11:25, 17:25, 28:18 | Luke 10:21 | Philippians 2:10 | Revelation 1:5 [AV]
— AND – There are ONLY THREE (3) Verses where the words “Christ” and “earth” are written in the same Verse: Acts 4:26 | Ephesians 1:10 | Revelation 1:5 [AV]
– AND* – There is ONLY ONE (1) Verse where the words “Jesus Christ” and “earth” are written in the same Verse: Revelation 1:5 [AV]
AND there are Only SIX (6) Verses where the words “round” and “earth” are both written in the same Verse in the Holy Bible [AV] :
Numbers 11:31, 16:34; Deuteronomy 13:7; Joshua 7:9; Job 37:12; Ezekiel 32:24
– And NONE of them are about a ’round earth’ shape – OR – Doctrine
For those who are actually interested – please watch the message – Cafeteria Christianity (Pastor Charles Lawson) – given on 3 March 2013 @
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HLjylysYF8&t=2s
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if this site gets any thing said on it should have some real reaseach And profs that don’t result you looking bad. I’m not putting any one down but everyone really is getting lazy if your keeping up people if you say the human body has only 6 sences to use to find out the reality you live in. Look that up and when you see all the sences your body has that you didn’t even relize you have to use at any time you want to use them. More then enough to figure this out on your Owen with commen sences ya pun intended. If you don’t want to learn you have no business at all in this topic cuz. Answers come easy when you know the right questions to ask. If I notice any thing that might be wrong or miss informative I’ll leave a post saying what I think might be wrong and why and opened minded enough to be wrong. But I do know how to find answers for my self well enough to understand I love learning teach me somthing I don’t know I want to stuff my brain with as much as I can possible learn. It’s in human nature to figure out ways of understanding in our Owen minds how are reality works and why why why questioning everything even the answers from the questions is it a proper explanation for what is being observed how does it apply and refinement of the explaination and all the dynamics involved action reaction cause effect. Like possibly this could be so you can hack into drone tec because the mapping and locations of possible sites well country’s might be trying to hide that from others on our side. Meaning they can move locations by miles to well any whear they want plus have control and understanding of how that mapping of military tec works plus hack one well your on the net work it’s your at that point if you hack it plus everything in the net work witch why they run closed network encryption protected system so they can kill the net work at any moment and dump everything but I think most drone have a kill switch like self destruct but emp to fry it completely so it can’t be taken. Any ways learning is important knollage is power some time over others remember that and use it responsibley.
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Thank you for sharing your insight Jan! 🙂
But, really, what is a “scientific statement”? God’s written word is most certainly NOT “scientific”. His word declares that He created the heavens and the earth ex nihilo, on this we are in perfect agreement. The Bible, then tells fallen man that God in Christ is the Creator, it declares Who DONE it, not HOW it was done. In this regard, ‘Modern’ science is nothing new, for “there is no new thing under the sun” Ecclesiastes 1.9. “The Greeks seek wisdom” 1 Corinthians 1.22. But we KNOW what God says of “the wisdom of this world” 1 Corinthians 1.20?
Paul railed against “science falsely so-called” 1 Timothy 6.20, but please carefully read the context.
Of ‘knowledge’ or ‘science’ the Bible is replete with verses that tell us in NO uncertain terms that there ARE things we CANNOT know or understand; that is, there are a great many things of which it is spoken of our Creator God saying; “Which doeth great things PAST FINDING OUT; yea, and wonders without number.” Job 9.10. Read also Job 5.9, Psalm 40.5, Romans 11.33 etc. Deuteronomy 29.29 indeed; explains it in a fuller sense. But…CMI & Co apparently know better?
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Try and explain the moon phases: They appear & disappear alone by God’s will! That is they wax & wane at His will. When the moon wanes, is there anything of a physical disposition left? But more than this, is there anything ‘physical’ about the moon? Think on these things. I will not attempt to get clever by TRYING to explain things that God hasn’t revealed, yet that is EXACTLY what many creation scientists attempt to do! God is “upholding ALL things by the word of His power” Hebrews 1.3.
Isaiah 40.26 very clearly tells us in no uncertain terms that God knows the “number of the stars”. They may be above the “first heaven” for Genesis 1.16 doesn’t make it entirely clear whether the angelic, starry host is above the firmament, or below it. It merely says He made the stars also. “He made” is not in the Hebrew. I believe the heavenly angelic host are above the firmament, but for the sake of time, I cannot expand upon it now.
In my opinion CMI, and other mainstream creation ministries such as AIG have become “vainly puffed up” by their ‘scientific’ minds. They have developed a semi-pagan mindset. Yes, they quote from Scripture, as ever the great adversary Satan did, but they seem to make EVERY effort to ‘shoe-horn’ God’s word into popular science (evolution apart), so-called, to make it ‘fit’ in. They are considered cranky enough for not believing in and teaching evolution, if they started teaching biblical geocentricism, the mainstream science community would think they have now totally lost the plot! Even within these Creation ministries, as you should know, there is a lot of in-fighting and no little disagreement on ‘literal’ 24 hr days of creation, a gap between Genesis 1.1-2 (there isn’t one!).
Many speed-read, as it were the very first verse of the Bible, and don’t fully take in what a weighty declaration it is; “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” The earth is spoken of as an antithesis to the heaven (the first heaven), there is nothing to suggest that the first heaven is any greater in dimension, only that heaven is up there, and earth down here.
If you are interested, I recently penned a small e-book, currently of some 44 pages at present, I am adding to it as I learn from God’s word and my own empirical observations. I only came to believe in the geocentric Earth just under a year ago.
ANTARCTICA, DOES IT END? HAST THOU COMPREHENDED THE BREADTH OF THE EARTH ? DECLARE IF THOU KNOWEST IT ALL.
It is important to have a humble spirit when conversing/debating with those of an opposite view. When I believed in a heliocentric Earth, I was called a “globe-head”, now I am a “flat-earth retard”!
I don’t say that believing in a flat or globe shaped Earth has any relevance to the salvation of one’s soul (perish the damnable thought) but what I do say is that it really changes the way one looks at the world, and one’s interpretation of many Bible verses, especially some eschatological ones. For example, with a flat earth it is easy to visualize a literal scenario of Matthew 24.29 and Revelation 6.13, 12.4 etc, for the stars are NOT millions and billions of light years away! nor are they larger than the Earth, no they ARE directly above us, and considerably smaller in size!
As believers, let us be “people of the Book”, not “people of the Book plus theories of man”. Remember that the theories you postulate above, will in time be amended replaced or maybe abandoned altogether. Not so with God’s word.
Left to God’s written word alone, we could only ever know that the Earth is flat, or rather that it is not a globe spinning around at 1000 mph.
There are some SEVENTY scriptures that speak of the motion of the sun and the moon, but you will search its sacred pages in vain for just ONE verse that even remotely suggests the earth moves, earthquakes apart! Yet, as believers, are we not supposed to be people of the Book?
Certainly, “God sitteth upon the circle of the earth…” Isaiah 40.22, but can we force a globe into this ONE scripture, when the same inspired prophet uses a different Hebrew word for “ball” in 22.18?
Without heliocentricism, the theory of evolution would never have got off the ground, for with this new theory came vast distances; millions & billions of miles & light years, which in time transpired into vast ages of creation.
Ever remember that the heliocentric theory was foisted upon us through the wicked auspices off the Roman Church. The Reformation was taking hold, we were coming out of the dark ages, yet, strangely enough this theory prevailed. Read what Luther had to say about Copernicus. Having said this, the great wonder is that many, many good men have been deceived by heliocentricism.
Well, the writers of the Scriptures weren’t making scientific statements, by saying that the sun rises and sets. They could have simply have been sharing their perspective, as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.
If you apply simple observations, then the sun doesn’t appear above the horizon line as a small dot in the eastern sky, which grows in size as it moves towards us; like to would on a flat earth. It rises up from under the horizon at full size and sets at full size; proving that the earth is curved.
Isaiah clearly says that “God sitteth upon the circle of the earth…” and we know that He does not sit on the Earth, so He is not sitting on the circle flat Earth. He is sitting on the ecliptic, the circle of constellations in the heavens; which is why He told Isaiah to LOOK UP in Isaiah 40:26 “Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing.”
For people who are really searching for truth about creation/evolution, there’s plenty of evidence for creation; such as the human body. Everyone understands how complex a simple cell is, with components that depend on each other, so it could not have evolved. Our DNA code proves that there is a designer.
People believe in evolution because they don’t want to serve a god, simple as that.
” If you’re a flat earther, and you are mocking the designs of the globe earth and the universe; you are mocking your Creator!”
Actually the concept of the round earth ( Big Bang Theory ) states our globe earth was just an accident, not a creation. Nothing in the Bible about the Most High creating an infinite, expanding universe….plenty of evidence in the Bible about a “stationary” Earth. Why do you think the Lord creating a spinning ball for us to live on is left out of the Bible? Hmmmmm
And for all we know an alien species built this dome earth terrarium and gave it the materials it needed for life to evolve over billions of years. A dome earth does not prove that the God of the Bible is the One True God.
Many scientific things are not mentioned in the Bible, but that doesn’t mean that they are not real.
It’s amazing that scientists are still figuring out how the universe was created out of nothing. That’s how amazing the design is!
“So you believe that all of the weather reporting is done with high-altitude balloons?”
No, not all. They have DOPPLER radar too
“How would they control the balloons to get them into the right place?” Well in theory it would be no different than the same concept with Google Loon that supposedly launches one every 30 minutes and manages to maintain them for up to 190 days aloft in the stratosphere
“You can observe satellites” LOL come on now, let’s keep it real. Show me just ONE legitimate video/photo of a satellite being released into orbit. Didn’t our tax dollars pay over 1 BILLION for a telescope called the Hubble? Surely that can capture video of just ONE of these “thousands” of sats apparently hanging out in orbit.
“How do you explain services like HughesNet, which provides internet service to remote locations, where there are no towers?”
High altitude balloons for the internet, just like Google’s Loon project
“How do you explain satellite dishes pointing up to the sky, and not sideways to a tower?” I saw a dish the other day that had VERIZON written on it and was pointed to the sky. Why would Verizon need a sat dish pointed up to the Southern skies for?
“There are many satellite companies in the world, so that would mean that every employee is in on the supposed deception to hide that the Earth is flat. Seriously?”
Not at all. It would be only on a need to know basis….hell, that would be an easier secret to keep than NASA’s secrets and you already acknowledged they’re all bullshit.
My question about weather reporting was in reference to the images that every weather forecaster shows in every city around the world. They would have to have a balloon in position over all of those cities, to capture those images.
You can locate where satellites will be with APP’s like SkyView and watch them travel across the sky.
LOL! High altitude balloons providing internet service. Too funny!
Many satellites travel around the equator, so a dish in North America points to the Southern sky, and a dish in South America points to the Northern Sky.
I said that NASA faked the lunar landing. I did not say that everything that NASA does is false.
Please go to nasa.gov and put in search satellite. The only satellites are balloon satellites.
Here is the NASA page on their new Grace satellites. Nowhere does it say that it’s a balloon.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/next-generation-grace-satellites-arrive-at-launch-site
The GOES-S satellite , which will launch in March 2018 is not a balloon satellite. https://blogs.nasa.gov/goes/
The TESS satellite is not a balloon satellite. https://www.nasa.gov/content/about-tess
The ICE-Sat2 is not a balloon satellite. https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/icesat-2
Did you really search that website? I found that in a few minutes, and nowhere does it say that those satellites are attached to a balloon.
So you are saying lunar landing was faked???
The evidence indicates that the lunar landing was faked, yes.
“No need for me to debunk the science of the lunar landings, because I believe that they were faked”
Ummm, ok and exactly why do you think they faked it if not to show photos of the round earth to further the indoctrination that we live on a spinning ball?
They faked it for many reasons. To test to see how dumbed down Americans were at that time, just like do today with false flag events such as 9/11 and Sandy Hook. o justify giving NASA so much money. To use the money for other covert programs.