If you’re a flat earther, have you studied the context of the Bible verses which are being cited to proclaim “the Bible says flat earth”?
This book goes through all 240 verses that people like Nathan Roberts cite, to show you the proper context; because if you’re promoting this list, then you’re accountable for the explanations.
It gives a fresh perspective about the ‘firmament‘ of Genesis; the ‘circle‘ of Isaiah 40:22; the clay turned to the ‘seal‘ in Job 38:13-14; the ‘pillars‘ of 1 Samuel 2:8; the sun going forth in his ‘circuit‘ of Psalms 19:6; and much more.
If you know someone who believes that the Scriptures describes a domed, flat earth; it will help you understand their rationale in citing these verses.
If you’re a believer who’s researching the flat earth, this book is critical for you.
If you believe in the heliocentric universe, have you read what Moses, Job, David, and Isaiah; declared about the earth, the sun, and the stars? The Bible describes a sun that moves in a circuit, which has been stopped, and has been moved back. And it describes an earth that is fixed. The Bible is purely geocentric, and there is no Scriptural justification for the heliocentric model.
The Bible also describes the lower circular layers which hold back the fountains of the deep; the spherical layers of atmosphere around the globe earth; the constellations on the ecliptic which encircles the globe earth; and the celestial sphere of stars which surround the globe earth as a tent, as a tabernacle.
The enemy is hiding the geocentric globe earth universe with the false narratives of the heliocentric universe and the flat earth model.
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The stars in the southern hemisphere prove that the earth is a globe.
On the flat earth model, if people in Australia, South Africa and South America, were all facing South, they would be facing opposite directions, so there’s no way that they can all see Sigma Octantis in the Octans constellation, which does not move. Yet people in those three Southern Hemisphere continents can look south and see stars circling around the south celestial pole.
This proves that the north and south celestial pole stars are at the top and bottom of the celestial sphere, and the other stars are circling the globe Earth.
Flat-earthers proclaim that this is possible because when people are looking south, they’re seeing a reflection off of the glass dome of the stars in the northern hemisphere.
But that is a false explanation, as the stars in the northern hemisphere are different than the stars in the southern hemisphere. Here are the constellations in the northern hemisphere.
Here are the constellations in the southern hemisphere.
Question for flat earthers: What is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes its path, to move from the larger circle of the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 mile circumference) to the much smaller circle of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 mile circumference)?
And what is the scientific explanation for how the sun changes speed from 1,322 MPH on the larger circle to 771 MPH on the smaller circle, to complete exactly one revolution per day?
Please comment below. Thank you!
Note: the numbers for the tropics are based on the supposed flat earth map, not on the globe. The supposed flat earth map is distorted, as it’s a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe earth. So though the Tropics on the globe earth have a circumference of 22,847 miles, on the flat earth map they are distorted. Using the equator as a baseline at 24,901 miles in circumference; the numbers of the Tropic of Cancer (18,504 miles) and the Tropic of Capricorn (32,729 miles) are based on the geometry of the azimuthal projection; not the actual globe.
After a lot of research, I believe that the enemy has created a deception regarding the design of the universe.
The Illuminati card game has a Flat Earth card that says “People laugh, but the flat earthers know something”. What flat earthers know is that the earth isn’t flying through space orbiting the sun. Astronomers and scientists have not proved that the Earth is moving.
And from our Earthly perspective, the planets and stars appear the same regardless of whether it’s the Copernican heliocentric view or the Tychonic geocentric view.
The deception is that the enemy has caused people to promote the heliocentric view based on philosophy, to not involve a Creator in the explanation of the design of the universe. And that led to the big bang theory, the theory of evolution, etc.; all of which steals glory from our Creator, and deceives people.
It wasn’t until scientific probes produced data about the radiation of the expanding universe, and the orientation of the quasars and radio galaxies; that researches were able to see that all of those things were pointing back to Earth as the center of the universe.
These findings were published in a book titled ‘Geocentrism 101 – An Introduction into the Science of Geocentric Cosmology‘ in 2013, and then explained in a movie called The Principle in late 2014.
Then shortly afterward the flat earth theory was aggressively pushed on YouTube and Facebook, to try to cover over the evidence, and to cause people to dismiss anyone who teaches that the Earth is geocentric.
The enemy has created a false dichotomy, so that the debate is between the geocentric flat earth vs. the heliocentric globe earth; so that people don’t consider the third option, that of the geocentric globe earth.
It puts the Earth at the center of the universe, proving a Designer/Creator, and explains why stars perfectly circle the Earth; while maintaining the laws of physics of the globe earth and the surrounding elaborate universe, which is a precision time-piece. Please read the geocentric Earth page, to see the scientific research that proves that we are at the center of the universe.
I’m not declaring that the earth is geocentric, as I can’t prove it scientifically; but when you look at how Bible verses seem to point to a geocentric earth, it’s an option that we need to consider. Read through the website, and you decide.
If you’re a flat-earther, you can decide to click away, thinking that you know the truth; but I would hope that your goal is to find the whole truth, not to defend a position.
People like Nathan Roberts and Rob Skiba point to Bible verses which they proclaim prove that the earth is flat; but the verses are taken out of context, and some of them prove that the earth is a globe.
Please read this Biblical Proofs Of The Geocentric Globe Earth study and decide for yourself.
Why would the enemy create the flat earth deception? Because most flat earthers are sharing truth in other areas, whether it’s about coming out of churchianity, about the Illuminati and their agenda, etc.; so by getting them to believe in the flat earth, they cause family and friends to stop listening to all that they teach.
On this page I will address the major challenges that I’ve found with the flat earth theory, which are explained in more detail on the other pages.
Here’s a video from the Geographic South Pole, looking straight up, which proves that the earth is not flat.
We can see the perfect circle of stars which is only possible on the globe earth, as no point on the supposed ice ring would show the stars circling overhead.
Here’s a video of a 5-day time-lapse from March 8-13, 2017, taken from the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station, which proves that the earth is not flat.
Airplane Video Proves Sun Is Not 3,000 Miles Above The Flat Earth
This observation is impossible on a Flat Earth with a Sun 3000 Miles above. We can clearly see the Sun on the Horizon from 43,000 ft. The clouds beneath us are illuminated from below but are dark on top.
This geometry is impossible on a Flat Earth. Of course – it works just fine on a Globe.
The Nikon P900 camera debunks the flat earth.
This video shows one ship that is moored near the horizon line, and the distant ship behind it which is well below the horizon; proving the curvature of the earth.
Some flat earthers commented that you should see the distant ship ’tilting’ if the Earth is curved, but the distance equates to only .23 degrees of tilt, which is not perceivable.
Sorry Flat Earthers The Equinox Geometry does NOT work on a Flat Earth.
The Flat Earth fails to explain the real observations we can make on the Equinox twice per year.
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A commercial pilot who is based out of Australia, who makes international flights in the southern hemisphere, shows that flat earthers cannot produce a legitimate pilots flight plan.
The video description says: A message to Flat Earthers. If you can’t show me a map that works and you can’t tell me how to navigate precisely around the real Earth you are wasting your time telling me the Earth is Flat. I can and do navigate precisely around the real Earth and I have been doing this safely for over 30 years using the Globe. Time to start producing real results guys. The same old nonsense arguments won’t cut it here any longer.
Flat earthers misrepresent the size of the sun, to proclaim that it gets smaller as it sets.
Here’s one of Wolfie6020‘s short videos where he used two cameras to record at the same time, one with a solar filter, one without.
This video shows how the size of the sun in the hazy sky changes as the camera automatically adjusts.
Flat earthers tell us to trust our perspective, but when we do that, we see that the sun and moon do not line up with the flat earth theory.
Flat earthers proclaim that the moon is a flat disc, but that simply cannot be true.
This is so easily disproved, that it’s nonsensical for flat earthers to proclaim it.
The shadows on the moon prove that it is being illuminated from an external light source.
Flat earthers cite Genesis 1:16 and say the the world ‘light‘ means that the moon is self-illuminated.
“And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”
The Hebrew word for ‘light’ points to a luminous body. It does not say that it provides its own illumination. ma’owr; properly, a luminous body or luminary, i.e. (abstractly) light (as an element): figuratively, brightness, i.e.cheerfulness; specifically, a chandelier:—bright, light.
Of course they have no way to scientifically explain how the moon illuminates itself, like we do for the Sun. And they cannot explain how the moon changes its illumination so that we see crescent moons and half moons.
It’s impossible for people on the flat earth model to see the same side of the moon.
We would see different sides of the moon, on the flat earth model.
The sun and moon do not vanish as a small dot over the horizon; but rather, they rise up from under the horizon and set below the horizon.
On the flat earth, objects that are moving away would simply grow smaller and disappear at the vanishing point, but they would always stay above the horizon. But every day we see the Sun rise up from under the horizon, and set down below the horizon.
It’s impossible for the sun to rise due East and set due West on the Equinox days.
The sun does not rise and set at the proper locations on the flat earth model.
The paths of the 2017 and 2024 solar eclipses across the United States are impossible to explain on the flat earth model.
There is no scientific explanation for the solar eclipse on the flat earth model, and we can clearly see that the path of the eclipse across the United States, cannot match up with the circular path of the flat earth sun.
How do flat earthers scientifically predict upcoming solar and lunar eclipses? They don’t! There is no scientific data which shows what causes the eclipses (many flat earthers say that the moon doesn’t cause the solar eclipse), and when they will happen.
The Spring and Fall Equinox is a great time to prove whether the earth is flat or a globe.
Geodetic surveying shows that angles of the measured triangle exceed 180 degrees, proving that Earth is curved. This is called ‘spherical excess’.
Flat earthers push aside 100’s of years worth of measurements that have been recorded by geodesic surveyors all over the earth.
These surveyors have painstakingly taken measurements from point to point, and using geometry and triangulation, have determined the size of continents, and the shape of the earth. Triangulation on a flat earth would yield 180 degree sums, but surveyors have found that the sums are greater than 180 degrees, which proves the arc of the earth. Read Geodesy Proof Of The Flat Earth Deception.
One of the biggest perspective problems is that flat earthers are applying the 8″ per mile squared earth curvature formula to wrong line.
The 8″ per mile squared calculation does not measure the curvature of the line of sight, your horizon line; it extends far beyond what you can see.
Let’s apply this to a picture to see the difference between the level line and the horizon line.
Here is the Earth’s Curve Horizon, Bulge, Drop, and Hidden Calculator, which people use to try to prove that the earth isn’t curved. This is the default setting of the globe earth with a radius of 3,959 miles, which shows that if your view height is 6 feet, then your horizon line is 3 miles away. And that’s pretty much what we see in real life.
Most photos from flat earthers are taken from an elevated position, which extends the horizon line; so just plug the estimated height of the elevated position into the Metabunk Earth’s Curve Formula, and you will see that the horizon line matches up; proving the curved Earth.
In the below calculation I used the Advanced option to add 7 zeroes after the planet radius, to mimic a planet that is so big that the flat top is bigger than the supposed flat earth. And it shows that if your view height is 6 feet, your horizon line is 9,482 miles away.
Now of course your eyes can’t see that far, but a good telescope would be able to see across the flat plain to be able to see that far. The point is that if the earth really were flat, then you would be able to see much, much further than 3 miles.
Californians should be able to see Hawaii with a telescope, or Mt. McKinley, which is 20,000 feet high. From atop of Pike Peaks, which is 14,000 feet high, I should be able to use a powerful telescope to see all of America.
But the reason that we can only see to the horizon line is because the earth is curved; you are seeing the bulge of the Earth.
Here is a more technical explanation of the Earth curvature formula, to see how it is being misapplied by flat earthers.
There are a lot of explanations on this website which counter the flat earth explanations, but first let’s set the record straight about the map that most flat-earthers are using.
The map that flat-earthers use actually represents the globe earth!
Before computers, mapping out airplane flight routes was a challenge, as they had to use a globe, or images of the northern and southern hemispheres, like these.
To resolve this problem they created the azimuthal equidistant map, which allowed them to see all of the continents on one 2D map.
In order to do this, the bottom half of the globe earth had to be flared out into the outer circles. On the north-polar azimuthal projection map the northern hemisphere is shown in the inner circle, and the southern hemisphere is shown in the flared out circle that surrounds it.
These maps can be centered from anywhere. If you were planning flights from London, you would center it on London. North-polar azimuthal projection maps were used during times of war, and the polar route is the shortest distance between countries.
Rendering a globe earth onto a 2D image always cause some distortion. On the azimuthal projection map, the further away the land mass is from the center point, the greater the distortion. This is why Australia looks so wide, as it’s been stretched.
Since the continent of Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way to graphically represent it on the north-polar azimuthal projection map is by turning it inside out, and spreading it out as a white ring on the outside edge.
The South Pole is graphically represented by the outside line of the map. You can see that the white ring has several bays that match up to the Ross Sea, which is close to New Zealand; and Weddell Sea, which is close to South America.
Below is a south-polar azimuthal equidistant projection map. You can see that Antarctica and Australia are now normal size, as they are close to the center point; but North America and Euro-Russia are very distorted. And you can see that the outside edge is blue, because opposite of the South Pole is water on the North Pole.
Here is a equidistant projection map that is centered on Santiago, Chile. North and South America are normal size, as is Antarctica, since they are close to the center point; but Euro-Russia is greatly distorted, so much so that it is graphically rendered as a ring around the outside edge (just like the north-polar map).
You can make your own azimuthal equidistant projection maps on this website. You just need to enter the location; such as 90N,0W for the north pole; and 90S, 0W for the south pole.
Here is a Hammond’s north-polar equidistant map for airplane travel, which is the same map that flat earthers use.
It has both sides of the globe represented, which are declaring that it is a projection of the globe earth onto a 2D map. You can clearly see the continent of Antarctica on the bottom of the globes in white.
This close-up shows you that the globe declares the continent of Antarctica and the South Pole; and then again on the projection map. It is declaring that the outside line is the South Pole. It’s clearly telling you that the continent of Antarctica on the globe earth is represented as the white ring on the projection map.
On the bottom left of the map is a guide to the distances between meridian (N-S) lines. The distance increases up to the equator, and then decrease at the same rate to the South Pole. It’s declaring that though on the projection map it appears that the distances are become greater (because the southern hemisphere is flared out so that you can see it on a 2D projection map), that in fact they are getting smaller because the earth is globe-shaped.
This Air Map Of The World from 1945 tells the truth, that the north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection represents a globe.
Notice that it doesn’t have an ice wall! That is because they didn’t include the continent of Antarctica, because it is so greatly distorted.
Here is the call out box on the top right:
It says “Since it is impossible to spread the surface of a globe on a flat surface without distortion, all maps are distorted in some respects. In this map the distortion occurs in the east and west distances. This distortion increases gradually from the North Pole to the Equator, and then quite rapidly to the outer limits. The distortion of the Antarctic areas would be so great that these are not shown.”
So they didn’t even include the supposed ‘ice wall’, because it’s not an ice wall; it’s the continent of Antarctica, which is greatly distorted by the algorithm used to make the projection map. Since Antarctica is opposite of the North Pole on the globe earth, the only way for the program to render it was to stretch it out as a circle. The outer circle is the South Pole. The continent has been inverted.
To prove that the supposed ice wall is really the distorted and inverted continent of Antarctica, here is an image that has the outer white ring and the continent of Antarctica.
The image keeps the land mass around the outside edge, and has the continent of Antarctica in the middle, as that is what is on the bottom of the globe. The land mass is exaggerated, as the outside ring representation is exaggerated. The continent is inverted to match the inverted outer circle, as the equidistant view is from the top down.
Look at the left side of the continent, which is small compared to the right side. That matches the thin land mass of the left, compared to the right. Now look at the peninsula on the left lower side at 240 degrees. It matches the peninsula on Antarctica.
The top of the circle is very thin and has a recess. That matches the curvature of the top of Antarctica.
On the bottom right at 110 degrees, there is a small indentation. That matches the bay on the southeast part of Antarctica.
Let’s take it one step further. The bottom left red line shows that the meridian lines runs from the bay of Antarctica through South America. The bottom left red lines shows that the meridian line runs from the small bay runs through Asia. The top red line shows that the meridian line runs from the other large bay in between North America and Russia.
The azimuthal equidistant map projection is only a tool, to help determine distances and flight maps on a globe earth.
Every time a flat-earther posts an explanation about direct airplane flights that they say is wrong on a globe earth; they are using this equidistant map, which is a globe map. Or worse, they use a Mercator projection map.
Flat earthers take words out of context to say that the Bible declares a flat earth.
They cite the words “pillars of the earth” to proclaim that the flat earth sit on top of pillars.
“He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and he hath set the world upon them.” 1 Samuel 2:8
Read 1 Samuel 2:2-7, 9-10; you see that the word ‘pillars’ is referring to leaders of the earth, not physical pillars that support the flat earth.
Just like the saying that someone is a ‘pillar in the community’, it is declaring they are a strong leader. The context is clearly about Elohim raising seemingly lowly people and making them the leaders of the earth. It is not talking about the design of the physical earth!
Flat earthers say that the ‘circle‘ in Isaiah 40:22 is declaring a flat circle earth.
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.
And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19
He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the heavenly circle, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.
Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21
Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32
The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.
We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the celestial sphere (circle) of the stars of the Mazzoroth.
Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26
“He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4
So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.
The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”
Stop manipulating the Word of Elohim! Read Biblical Proofs Of The Flat Earth Deception.
One of the most misleading things that proponents of the flat earth say is to ‘use your perspective as proof‘.
The challenge is that we are a small human on a large earth, so our perception is distorted.
We can only see so wide and far, so staring at a horizon that is only a few miles wide, we cannot see the curvature.
Flatearthers posts pictures from airplanes which seem to have a straight horizon, but when you put a line across the photo, you can see the curvature. In this image you can see the line is level with the horizon at the airplane pillar, and that there is a gap on the left and right side.
On this picture the red line is level on the left side, but you can clearly see the gap on the right side.
On this picture the red line is even on the sides, and you can see the curve of the earth in the center.
Flatearthers counter by claiming that airplanes have curved glass that distorts the horizon.
Do you really think that airplanes would have glass in the cockpit that distorts the pilots view?
Does the windshield in your car cause the horizon to curve? No!
Flat-earthers push aside the witness and photos of countless astronomers throughout the years and around the world, who have taken pictures of the planets and distant galaxies.
They proclaim that there are no real planets, and that they are just projections or lights. There are astronomy clubs at many schools and astronomy groups in most major cities, who take pictures of the moon, stars, planets and distant galaxies. There is just no way that all of that is a conspiracy to hide the flat earth theory.
You can buy phone apps that show you where to look in the sky for planets, so that you know where to look with your optical telescope.
You can visit astronomy clubs and they will let you look through their optical telescopes, to see the planets and distance galaxies for yourself. There is simply no excuse for this laziness!
Read Astronomy Proves The Flat Earth Deception.
Flat earthers push aside the witness of people who work in companies that use satellites.
They proclaim that there are no satellites, but that everything is done through cables or ground-based antennas.
- Meteorologists around the world use satellites to show storms like hurricanes.
- Hughes Satellite internet service can’t work with cables or land-based antennas, as the locations that receive the signals are too remote.
- Navstar GPS works in remote areas through satellites.
- Look at a house with the Dish Network, Echostar, DirectTV. What direction is the dish pointed to? The sky!!!
- Look at a remote-location TV news crew, where is their dish pointed to? The sky!
- Sirius radio provides signals to you when you are far away from ground based antennas
- Look at remote military units and military facilities to see where their dishes are pointed to. The sky!
To deny satellites is to deny the existence of a space program covering the US, EU, Russia, China, India, Brazil, employing tens of millions of people and spending tens of billions of dollars a year, putting satellites in orbit, sending probes everywhere, creating the GPS system, satellite TV, etc.
It would mean that all of that is faked, on an ongoing basis, and none of these tens of millions of people has ever exposed the lie. Read Satellites Prove The Flat Earth Deception.
They push aside the many people who have been to Antarctica as a researcher or tourist.
Flat earthers proclaim that the ice ring is protected so that nobody can see the end of the flat earth. But that is ludicrous as people visit every year for research and for tourism.
Read Antarctica Proves The Flat Earth Deception
So why is the flat earth a topic these days?
More and more people on Facebook and YouTube are promoting the flat earth theory, with ridiculous explanations that prove nothing. Many of these people expose other conspiracies that have been foisted upon us; and they expose the truth about the Father and Son’s true names, about the Holy Feast Days, corrupt Bibles, etc.
So I believe that the enemy is getting them to believe in the flat-earth theory, so that others will discount all that they are proclaiming. It’s called a PSYOP, a Psychological Operation.
I think that flat-earthers are going to make everyone so tired of hearing about it, that people will not seek any of the truths that they share. Many of them opening condemn everyone who doesn’t believe it, calling them fools and globeheads.
The story that Christians believed in a flat earth until Columbus’ time, and for some time thereafter, began as part of a fictional story that was elevated to historical fact by late 19th-century Darwinists who used it primarily as a means to ridicule Christians. Sadly that appears to be happening again, as truthers who proclaim the flat earth are being ridiculed.
I hope that this page has helped to open your eyes to the truth, that the earth is a globe.
If you have some insight to prove that what I have shown is not correct, please comment below. If you just want to make statements, without any proof; or if you just want to make accusations against me; then your comment may not be added to the discussion.
David
p.s. My explanations are logical, and are based on what we can see. I don’t offer scientific explanations, because that is not my strength. Sadly, I see flat earthers mocking scientific explanations about the globe earth, but giving really unscientific answers.
Thanks David,
I’m glad you think you have proven the Earth is not flat, but having found no real proof to support that conjecture on this website, I must conclude you do not understand what proof actually means. Nonetheless, you are just as entitled to your beliefs as I am to mine. At one time, I too thought the Earth was a globe. As I investigated further, it became increasingly apparent that all was not as we have been led to believe, but was in fact a huge deception carefully designed to continue enslaving humanity in the chains of ignorance and godlessness. Exactly as outlined in Scripture and evidenced by seeing the evil existing in the world today. Thou shalt not kill falls on many deaf ears.
Heliocentric theory excludes God. Geocentric theory puts God on top. The choice is yours.
I’ve already said that I’m open to the globe Earth being geocentric, so why do you try to manipulate the conversation with a false dichotomy between heliocentric and geocentric?
Besides that, heliocentric does not exclude God, as the perfect design points to a creator. Earth is the perfect distance from the sun. The moon is the perfect distance from the Earth. The tilted angle to the Sun on the ecliptic path gives us the seasons. Etc, etc, etc.
Flat earthers say that the ‘circle‘ in Isaiah 40:22 is declaring a flat circle earth.
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.
And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19
He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the heavenly circle, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.
Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21
Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32
The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.
We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the celestial sphere (circle) of the stars of the Mazzoroth.
Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26
“He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4
So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.
The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”
Finlay, you’ve done nothing to convince me that the earth is flat. You haven’t overcome any of the proofs that I’ve cited. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Enjoy your flat Earth 🙂
Greetings once more, David,
Some people just don’t seem to be able to figure it out, so maybe this link might help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWCYX_O9f0s#t=176.358958
If you agree that the moon always appears as more or less the same circular disk in the sky, why do you think you need to see 3 different sides? Think of a flat but circular sticker on a dome with a front (facing you). Can you see a side and back??
You say you are debating globe vs. flat earth, but NOT heliocentric vs. geocentric. So maybe you can explain the difference, as they seem to be pretty well the same to me. The assumptions you make on this website just indicate you are not really searching for any truth, but have your mind made up about a globe and are just repeating the same old baloney brainwashed globalists love to spout.
Maybe you haven’t yet discovered “Seek and Ye shall find”. With a truly open mind, this world and the heavens above can be seen for the wondrous creations they are. Good luck with your searching..
Greetings Finlay. Some people? That’s too funny! Apparently I’m part of that group.
That video is goofy, as at the 30 second mark it can’t even reconcile a moon and sun in the sky at the same time. It’s because the moon is waning from the full moon, and it’s orbit is moving it back towards the Sun’s path, to start the cycle over again. So they appear in the sky at the same time, and because of the angle, we can’t see all of the illuminated side of the moon, thus the partially illuminated moon.
The moon craters have shadows which directly correspond to the position of the sun and moon, proving that the moon is not flat, and proving once again that the Sun illuminates the moon.
It’s funny that you dismiss all of that, but you have no explanation for how the moon creates the phases of illumination.
I have not made any assumptions. All of the examples I provided are what I see, and they logically prove that the earth is not flat.
Just because my explanations don’t agree with your view, does not mean that I haven’t sought true, and it does not mean that I’m wrong.
I can prove that you don’t have a map, and the map you use is a globe map.
I can prove that you are applying the curvature formula to the wrong line.
I can prove that the sun and moon can’t work properly on the flat earth model.
I can prove that the sun does illuminate the moon.
I can prove that flat earthers take verses out of context.
Heliocentric means the sun is the center of the universe. Geocentric means that the earth is the center of the universe.
People debate flat earth vs. globe earth, but what is not discussed is a geocentric globe earth. I keep my mind open to that possibility, as it seems to line with Scripture that says that the sun has stopped moving. It lines up with the stars spinning around the earth.
I don’t need luck, thanks! I’ve already proven the above, which tells me that the earth is not flat.
Dear David,
Good to know that you have looked at the moon and noticed it looks the same from anywhere on Earth. The simplest explanation may be because it is not as you have been told to think it is, but is instead just a self luminous and flat circle projection from above. Did you know that many people have also documented the fact that on days when the both the Sun and Moon are both visible during daylight hours, there are often discrepancies in what one “should” see versus what is actually seen?
Regarding your Antarctica being not “off limits”, try to go anywhere beyond the controlled visitor sites and let me know how you make out. Admiral Byrd’s interviews might enlighten you as to what may be encountered.
All the supposedly “global Earth proofs” can just as easily be debunked as you seem to enjoy debunking the flat earth scenario. I suggest that you learn more about this subject by actually investigating with an open mind, rather than just assuming what you believe to be true.
By the way, I still await an explanation as to how international airlines manage to fly in either direction in approximately the same air time on a spinning globe. Perhaps you now realize that to be impossible? I shall look forward to hearing from anyone able to answer this rather simple question.
Thank you
Finlay, to say that the moon is self luminous is absurd! I’ve tracked the moon phases and locations in the sky at sunset each night after the new moon. And every night the moon appears 1/14th further east from the setting sun, and 1/14th more of it is illuminated. It waxes from a crescent moon in the West, to a half moon directly overhead, to a full moon rising up on the Eastern horizon. It’s obvious that the Sun is illuminating the moon, and that the phases are a reflection (pun intended) of our ability to see the side of the moon which is illuminated.
You still didn’t debunk that if the moon was only 3,000 above the flat earth, then we would see three different sides of it; front, bottom and back side.
You can’t debunk that people in North America and South America see the same side of the full moon, at the same time. That is because the moon is so far away, that they have the same basic angle of perspective. On the flat earth, with the moon only 3,000 miles up, they would see different sides of the moon.
You’re going to be waiting a long time for the airlines explanation, because I already told you that I am debating globe vs flat earth; not heliocentric vs. geocentric. This website not about whether the earth is spinning.
sorry but your presentation lacks any proof that the earth is a globe. You just simply repeat what has been debunked plenty by many who have studied the subject and exposed the lies of the masters of the system. I wish I could believe you but you are way too short on valid arguments or realistic facts to shake my firm belief that our home base is an “unlimited flat wonderland”. By the way, in 1963 when I was six, I first heard about this “unlimited flat wonderland” as my Grandpa used to call it.
You can’t debunk that the map that flat earthers use is really a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe.
You can’t debunk that flat earthers are applying the curve formula to the wrong line. They apply it to the Horizon Line, not the Horizontal Line.
You can’t debunk that on the flat earth, when the full moon appears in the East, we should see one side of it; when it is overhead, we should see the bottom of it; and when it disappears in the East, we should see the back side of it. Of course, that is not what we see.
You can’t debunk that the Sun and moon do not decrease in size to a small dot and then disappear at the vanishing point; as our eyes see them rise up from under the horizon line and set below the horizon line; which is not possible on a flat earth.
You live in a wonderland all right!
The comments on this website seem to display much ignorance about the reality and understanding of the flat earth model. The simplest proof of a non-spinning and stationary Earth is readily available by examining any airline schedule for actual direct flight times between two cities, say Vancouver Canada and London England. In either direction the flight time is approximately the same. An obvious impossibility on a spinning globe. The more one investigates, the more apparent the hoax of a spinning globe earth becomes.
The home starts off with this statement, “Let me start by saying that I understand that it doesn’t seem like the Earth is spinning or that we are flying through space; and that Bible verses seem to point to a stationary earth, and a moving sun. While those things seem to point to a geocentric design of our universe, it does not in itself prove that the earth is flat.”
This website proves that the Earth is a globe, not flat. It doesn’t cover the heliocentric vs. geocentric discussion.
Nowhere do I find any actual proof on this website of the Earth being a globe. We indeed live in the reality of an electromagnetic universe, yet physicists are still unable to resolve the realm of quantum mechanics behaving differently from the larger world around us. Nikola Tesla perhaps came closest to such an understanding. The reality we think we see is actually created by the action of observation (study various double-slit experiments to better understand this concept). Genesis explains how we and our world came into being, and how the firmament presents a barrier preventing physical escape. Even the military projects in the 50’s and 60’s (High Jump and Fishbowl) used high altitude nuclear detonations in an attempt to penetrate the barrier. Resultantly Antarctica is off limits to open exploration and NASA provides expensive fairy tales to continue brainwashing the masses.
As far as I am concerned, the flat earth model best explains the situation we find ourselves in even though much more is to be discovered. Most of the supposed proofs of a globe spinning through endless ever expanding space are based on theoretical physics originating from the “Big Bang” theory. A theory is not a fact.
As I stated in my previous post, how is it possible that air travel times on a plane at the same speed and altitude are approximately the same in either direction on a spinning globe? I would appreciate an explanation of how this is possible on anything other than a flat earth.
There is plenty of proof on this website that the Earth is globe-shaped, but you apparently are programmed and can’t see it.
The flat earth map is proof of a globe earth, as it is a north-polar azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe. 😛
Every time flat earthers post that map, they are posting a globe map. Such ignorance!
Antarctica is not off limits, as you can see on the Antarctica page that people travel by cruise ship and airplanes to it for vacations. http://flatearthdeception.com/antarctica-proves-the-flat-earth-deception/
finlay,
Flight times are shorter when traveling east than they are when traveling west, thanks to the rotation of the earth.
For example: London to Tokyo takes 11 hours. Tokyo to London takes 12.5 hours – 1.5 hour difference approximately. Now I know that you’ll tell me ‘the pilot is flying slower on purpose’, or ‘around in circles’, as if that’s what they’re taught to do at flight school to keep the illusion going.
And please explain why, when on a long haul 12 hour flight taking off at midday, it gets dark after 6 hours when traveling east, then gets light again half way through your journey, yet stays light all during the entire flight when on the return journey, travelling west, taking off at the same time.
My guess is that you’ve never even set foot on a plane so have absolutely no idea and base your argument on fake videos. And on a plane at 39,000 feet you can see the curvature of the earth with the naked eye. Or have they designed the windows to create the illusion?
Seriously, you need to give yourself a good talking to but I’m guessing when you get older, you’ll look back on this day and say to yourself, “what the hell was I thinking back then?”.
Thank you for creating this website. I am trying to get my cousin out of his flat earth conspiracy mindset. It’s very unsettling to me as a scientist how many flat earth memes and sites are out there and how brainwashed their followers are. Any words of advice for convincing a flat-earth family member? Thank you again for all your help. Great site.
Thank you for your comment Loren! Yeah, people post supposed scientific proofs, that have no clue about science.
As for helping people see the truth, that is why I’ve created the images on the home page and other pages, to just help them see one small truth at a time, to create doubt.
You are welcome to save the images and share them. Then people can see that the curve formula is being applied to the wrong line. They can see that the flat earth map is really a north-polar azimuthal equidistant project of the globe Earth. They can see that the sun and moon can’t work properly on the flat earth model.
I’m not real scientific, so my proofs are more logic-based; but if you have some scientific proofs, you are welcome to share them here.
David
Nice article, David. I agree with you that “flat earth” is a deception from the adversary. I would, however, like to mention that the coriolis effect is too weak to overcome local currents and irregularities in a sink’s shape to actually affect drain direction.
Try it yourself. If you introduce a small current with the swirl of your finger, the water will continue to drain in that direction.
Thank you for your comment Talmid! That’s an interesting point about the Coriolis effect. I try to provide simple proofs, instead of scientific ones, as that’s not my area of expertise. The irony is that flat earthers make statements that are contrary to proven scientific principles, based only on their observation. The Zetetic philosophy = observation trumps science.
Let me know when you get a picture of the sphere that isn’t ovlerlays or cgi. 😅
yes… that´s an impossibility… case closed! ! ! !
Nice try, but when flat earth truth comes out, you and the rest of the globers will be hiding under the rocks!
Hiding under rocks LG? Um, okay. Hey, let me know when ya’ll get a real flat earth map, and/or take pictures of the edge of the flat earth dome. 😛
I am so glad to find a website that is dedicated to expose Flat Earth as a psychological operation designed to mislead God’s people!
Thank you for your comment James! It makes me sad that so many good people who are exposing deceptions, are being misled by this PSYOP, so that others won’t listen to them about anything.
Moderated comment sections are not conducive to free and open debate.
Lots of spam being posted on WordPress blogs these days, so moderated comments is a must.
Not Flaming, James, you do know that the “idea” of a flat earth goes back thousands of years right? Not saying its valid! Your post read (to me) that perhaps you were unaware of this. If I am wrong, I apologize.
The idea that the Earth is flat has been a “fringe” belief for thousands of years. The ancient Greeks knew the earth wasn’t flat and the Romans knew it, the Persians knew it, the Indians and Chinese knew it. Even the Roman Catholic Church accepted long before the “dark ages”. It is an utter fallacy that people thought that the world is flat. While ignorant “commoners” may have, the educated classes haven’t for millennia.
While the idea never really died, it is only with the advent of modern communications, first books, telegraph, telephone and then electronic media has the idea begun to grow again. With like minded (insert derogatory comment here) individuals being able to find each other and reinforce their ideas.
Thank you for sharing your perspective Philip! I believe that the flat earth PSYOP is designed for two main reasons. To cause people to stop listening to truthers, who promote the flat earth. And to test, to see how dumbed-down people are these days. It’s been really sad to watch Facebook friends get deceived by this PSYOP, and lose credibility with their family and friends. And when I read their explanations about the flat earth, my heart hurts.
So true, this website is very highly dedicated to exposing all of the lies that the Flat Earth Society makes up for five main purposes, to discredit, distract, divide, confuse and brainwash people. Members of the Flat Earth Society just want to make money only for themselves to maintain their websites so they can brainwash more and more people.