This website exposes the flat earth deception and proves that the earth is globe shaped.
This page provides astronomy proofs that the earth is ball shaped, and is surrounded by stars and planets. We won’t focus on NASA images and information, as they have been accused of being fake.
Instead we will focus on astronomy sources that have no agenda, other than the study of the stars, moon, sun, planets and galaxies.
Questions for flat earthers: What is the scientific explanation for the curved shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse? If you believe that the sun illuminates the moon, then what is blocking the suns rays from hitting the moon? If you don’t believe that the sun illuminates the moon, then what is causing the moon to appear this way?
Please comment on the bottom of this page with your answer. Thank you!
The constellations Octans, which is closest to the Southern Pole star, is visible to people who are in southern continents, who are all facing south. That’s not possible on the flat earth map!
I believe that the evil ones are having NASA publish pictures which can be proven to be fake, so that flat-earthers proclaim that it is part of the cover up.
But fake NASA images and missions, in and of themselves, do not prove the flat earth. Of course they use CGI to create nice photos, they admit as such.
Anyone can buy the SkyView Explore The Universe and Satellite Guide apps to use on their phone, to know where to look in the sky to view planets and satellites. That in itself disproves flat-earthers proclamation that there are no planets or satellites.
Stellarium is a free open source planetarium for your computer, showing you where to look for planets and constellations. It shows a realistic sky in 3D, just like what you see with the naked eye, binoculars or a telescope.
Add in all of the professional and amateur astronomy photographs of the planets and stars, such as Astronomers Without Borders, and you remove all doubt.
Here’s a superb demonstration of how verifiable observations in the real world do not work on a Flat Earth but make perfect sense on the Globe.
Why don’t the stars show up on images of the moon, and of earth from the ISS?
Here’s a video of the star trails which were recorded from the Equator.
If the earth were flat, then there would only be one circle of stars; but we can clearly see two opposing circles, which proves that the Earth is a globe.
People in the Southern Hemisphere can’t see Polaris, the North Star; because the curve of the globe earth prevents them from seeing it.
People in the Southern Hemisphere can all look South and see Alpha Crucis, but that is not possible on the flat earth model.
People in the Southern Hemisphere can all look South and see the South Celestial Pole star, Sigma Octantis, which is only possible on a globe earth.
On the flat earth model, if people in Australia, South Africa and South America, were all facing South, they would be facing opposite directions, so there is no way that they can all see the South Celestial Pole star, which does not move.
Yet people in those three Southern Hemisphere continents can look South and see the South Celestial Pole star, and see the stars circling around it.
Stars circling the South Celestial Pole from Sydney, Australia
Stars circling the South Celestial Pole from Reunion Island, South Africa
Stars circling the South Celestial Pole from Santiago, Chile
This proves that the North and South Pole stars are at the top and bottom of the Earth, and the other stars are circling the globe Earth.
An Equatorial Mount on a Telescope will allow you to track the Sun and Stars with a single axis of rotation.
If an object is moving in circles above a flat Earth this would be completely impossible. You would require two axes of movement to follow it.
Flat earthers use images like this to proclaim that planets are fake.
Many of them are from a Nikon P900, which a great little camera with a big zoom lens; but it has a small aperture, so it is not designed to take pictures of small bright objects, such distant stars and planets.
The problem is simply that the P900 cannot focus on a small point light source. So what we are seeing is planets that are blurred and out of focus. And since it’s essentially a point light source it forms an “orb” shape, commonly referred to as Bokeh.
There are Astronomy societies all around the world, who show through optical telescopes the stars, moon, sun, planets and galaxies.
To say that they are all part of the flat earth conspiracy is ridiculous!
Astronomers Without Borders features photos from people around the world.
Hamilton Amateur Astronomers is a non-profit organization dedicated to the enjoyment and advancement of astronomy. It is the largest independent astronomy club in Canada.
Here is a link to the Denver Astronomy Society and the Colorado Springs Astronomical Society, as a few examples.
Find a local group who will let you look through their telescopes, to see the planets; to prove that what flat earthers teach is not true.
In The Sky virtual planetarium uses your location to let you know where to look in the sky for constellations and planets.
Anyone can buy the SkyView Explore The Universe and Satellite Guide apps to use on their phone, to know where to look in the sky to view planets and satellites.
The Virtual Telescope Project lets you use a remote telescope to view the planets, solar system, star clusters, nebulae and galaxies.
Here is a link to their Virtual Telescope Project photo gallery.
There are many Astrophotographers, such as http://www.astropix.com/index.html
This video needs no explanation; it simply and quickly illustrates the biggest problem for the Flat Earth model of the Earth. There is no math involved, it is easy to verify for yourself, and anyone can understand the problem from a single view of this video.
.Many Bible verses point to the stars of the Mazzaroth, so they are real.
When Elohim was questioning Job, He pointed out His command of the Mazzaroth, the twelve signs in the circle of the Zodiac.
Do you bind the bands of Kimah (Pleiades), or loosen the cords of Kesil (Orion)? Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzaroth ) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear (Arcturus) with its sons? Job 38:31-32
The great plan of redemption was told through the stars, long before written records were in place. It is defined with star groups and the names of individual stars.
The heavens (Mazzaroth) are proclaiming the esteem of Ěl; And the expanse is declaring the work of His hand.
Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge.
There is no speech, and there are no words, Their voice is not heard.
Their line (ecliptic) has gone out through all the earth, And their words to the end of the world. In them He set up a tent for the sun (picture of Yahusha, the Sun of Righteousness, Malachi 4:2),
And it is like a bridegroom coming out of his room, It rejoices like a strong man to run the path.
Its rising is from one end of the heavens, And its circuit to the other end; And naught is hidden from its heat. Psalms 19:1-6
The enemy, Satan, has perverted the story of redemption by causing pagan empires to create alternative stories about the stars.
He has caused believers to shun any knowledge of the zodiac, as he has conditioned them to believe that it is evil.
But the constellations of the Zodiac were created by your Father in heaven, to declare His love for you, and to declare His plan of redemption.
“He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4
God’s Voice in the Stars – Zodiac Signs And Bible Truths by Ken Fleming
2 Kings 23:5 clearly proclaims the existence of planets; which flatearthers deny:
“And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.”
The Southern Cross is only visible to those in the southern hemisphere.
The south celestial pole can be located from the Southern Cross (Crux) and its two “pointer” stars α Centauri and β Centauri. Draw an imaginary line from γ Crucis to α Crucis—the two stars at the extreme ends of the long axis of the cross—and follow this line through the sky.
Either go four and a half times the distance of the long axis in the direction the narrow end of the cross points, or join the two pointer stars with a line, divide this line in half, then at right angles draw another imaginary line through the sky until it meets the line from the Southern Cross. This point is 5 or 6 degrees from the south celestial pole. Very few bright stars of importance lie between Crux and the pole itself, although the constellation Musca is fairly easily recognized immediately beneath Crux.
Flat Earth’s Greatest Challenge: Southern Stars
If you were in Alaska and looked towards the North Star you would see that star remain roughly stationary and all the other stars will circle it like seen in the time lapsed photos here: www.guidescope.net/starfields/circles.htm if you were in South Africa, you will not be able to see the North Star (because the spherical earth is in the way), but if you look due south, you will see the circle of the stars go in the opposite direction.
If you are at the equator, you can see something even different (look north and see the stars moving counter clockwise and look south and see them moving clockwise). http://physics.weber.edu/schroeder/ua/StarMotion.html
The crescent shape of the moon appears inversely between people in the northern and southern hemispheres.
If Earth is flat, how can billions of people see two different sets of constellations rotating in opposite directions, around two opposite poles?
How can people in the southern hemisphere essentially stand in a circle with their backs to each other, and all be facing the same southern constellation?
If 2 people in Australia and South America are standing with their backs to the north pole, and therefore facing in different directions, how are they all able to see the southern pole star (Sigma Octantis)?
The Southern Cross cannot be seen in both New Zealand and South Africa on the Flat Earth.
South Africa is in the same time zone as Germany, but at night Germans see the North Star while South Africans are viewing the Southern Cross. The Southern cross is also seen by those in New Zealand. It is only possible on a round earth as they can see the same sky.
The question, begs, since all out of the outer part of the flat earth is supposedly ‘south’, where is the Southern Cross located at?
No matter where you put it, it would not be possible for people in South Africa and New Zealand to both see it, as they are one opposite sides of the supposed flat earth.
Flat earthers have no way to explain these 2017 celestial events, which we can see with our eyes:
February 26: Annular Solar Eclipse
March 20: Spring Equinox, when the sun will rise due East, and set due West, because the Sun is so far away that every location has the same basic angle to the sun. This is not possible on the flat earth, as people in the Northern hemisphere would have a very different angle that people in the Southern hemisphere.
April 22/23: Lyrid Meteor Shower
May 5/6: Eta Aquarid Meteors
June 9: Micromoon, when the Full Moon is at apogee, the farthest point from Earth, making June’s Strawberry Moon a Micromoon. This Full Moon looks around 12 to 14% smaller than its counterpart, the Supermoon.
July 3: Earth at Aphelion, when Earth will be at aphelion: the furthest point from the Sun in its yearly orbit.
August 7/8: Partial Lunar Eclipse
August 12/13: Perseid Meteors
August 21: Total Solar Eclipse
September 22: Fall Equinox, when the sun will rise due East, and set due West, from every location on earth, because the Sun is so far away that every location has the same basic angle to the sun. This is not possible on the flat earth, as people in the Northern hemisphere would have a very different angle that people in the Southern hemisphere.
October 8: Draconid Meteor Shower
October 20/21: Orionid Meteors
November 17/18: Leonid Meteor Shower
December 3/4: Supermoon, when the full moon looks around 12 to 14% larger than its counterpart, the Micromoon.
December 13/14: Geminids Meteors
December 23/24: Ursid Meteors
The great astronomers of history:
The story that Christians believed in a flat earth until Columbus’ time, and for some time thereafter, began as part of a fictional story that was elevated to historical fact by late 19th-century Darwinists who used it primarily as a means to ridicule Christians.
The spherical shape of the earth was known to the ancient Greeks, who even made some good estimates of its circumference and, contrary to the claims of the flat-earth myth perpetuators, was never lost.
One well-known example is Eratosthenes who measured the earth’s diameter fairly accurately in the 3rd century BC.30 Eratosthenes calculated the circumference using geometry to within 3.5% of the true value.
The ancient Greek experimenters knew its shape by evaluating a variety of evidences, including the earth’s shadow during a lunar eclipse and the changing sky as one travels northward and southward.1 The ancients knew much about astronomy because they spent a great deal of time studying the heavens and stars for navigation purposes and because of their strong interest in astrology.
Claudius Ptolemy (85-165 A.D., Greek) was an astronomer who used Hipparchus’ extensive observations to develop a model that predicted the movements of the Sun, Moon, planets, and stars. His model, called the Ptolemaic system, visualized an Earth-centered universe and assumed that all astronomical objects move at constant speeds in circular orbits. The circle was considered by the ancients to be the perfect shape, and regardless of the evidence against circular orbits, Ptolemy built his model to fit this idea. The Ptolemaic model is one of the longest upheld scientific theories in history: it was the cornerstone of astronomy for 1,500 years.
Aristotle (384-322 B.C., Greek), the great philosopher, proved that the Earth is spherical, and believed that it was at the center of the universe. His reason for believing this was actually quite scientific: he knew that if the Earth revolved around the Sun, then we should see the stars shift position throughout the year. Since he did not have the technology to detect this shift, as we do today, he concluded that Earth must rest at the center of the universe. According to him, the Sun, planets, and stars were located in spheres that revolved around the Earth.
Anaximander (611-547 B.C., Ionian) was a Greek philosopher who made the first detailed maps of the Earth and the sky. He knew that the Earth was round, and believed that it was free-floating and unsupported. He measured its circumference, and was the first to put forward the idea that celestial bodies make full circles in their orbits. One of his greatest contributions was the fact that he was the first to conceptualize space as having depth.
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Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543, Polish) began a new era of astronomy when he concluded that the Sun was the center of the universe instead of the Earth. Copernicus felt that the Ptolemaic system was contrived, but in his revisions of that model, he kept the orbits circular. The revolutionary idea was not popular with the Church, but several other astronomers such as Brahe and Galileo helped to eventually prove that this model of the universe more accurately portrayed reality.
Tycho Brahe (1546-1601, Danish) built an observatory from which he made the most accurate astronomical observations up to that time. His observatory contained sophisticated equipment for mapping star positions, and for more than 20 years he made detailed records of his findings. He believed that the universe was a blend of the Ptolemaic and Copernican models, and created his own model in which the planets orbit the Sun and the Sun orbits the Earth.
Giovanni Cassini (1625-1712, Italian) was the astronomer who first discovered the division in the rings of Saturn, today known as the Cassini division. He also found four moons orbiting Saturn, and measured the periods of rotation of Mars and Jupiter. The Cassini space mission currently on its way to Saturn was named after him.
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642, Italian) is the father of observational astronomy. In 1609, he heard about the Dutch invention of the telescope, and built one for himself. Even though his telescope was not very powerful compared to the amateur equipment available today, he was able to make a number of stunning discoveries which changed the face of astronomy. He saw the craters, mountains, and valleys of the Moon, noticed the huge number of stars making up the Milky Way, kept precise records of sunspot activity and the phases of Venus, and discovered four moons orbiting Jupiter. These moons are still called the Galilean Moons today, in honor of the earth-shattering scientific effects of the discovery. During a time when the Earth was still considered to be at the center of the universe, he publicized the fact that other astronomical bodies, such as Jupiter’s moons, were clearly revolving around something other than the Earth. Galileo’s support of the Copernican model of the universe frightened the Church, which put Galileo on trial in 1633. He was forced to renounce his Copernican views and was held under house arrest for the rest of his life.
William Herschel (1738-1822, British) was the discover of Uranus and two of its moons. He also discovered two more moons of Saturn and several asteroids, and made a catalog of 2,500 astronomical objects. He found the polar ice caps on Mars, which are today being studied by several satellites in the hopes of shedding light on the existence of water on Mars.
Annie Jump Cannon (1863-1941, American) was a member of the famous group of Harvard astronomers called ‘Pickering’s Women’. The director of the Harvard College Observatory, Edward Pickering, hired a number of women to sort through and organize mounds of data on the stellar classification of stars. The stars were classified by their spectra, and Annie Cannon was the most prolific and careful of the workers. She single-handedly classified 400,000 stars into the scheme we use today (O B A F G K M), and discovered 300 variable stars. She paved the way for women entering the astronomical field.
Henry Russell (1877-1957, American) was the one inventor of the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram describing the spectral types of stars. He measured the parallax of the stars photographically, allowing them to be properly placed on the H-R diagram.
Edwin Hubble (1889-1953, American) made an incredible contribution to astronomy and cosmology when he discovered that faraway galaxies are moving away from us. Known as Hubble’s Law, the theory states that galaxies recede from each other at a rate proportional to their distance from each other. This concept is a cornerstone of the Big Bang model of the universe.
Jan Oort (1900-1992, Dutch) first measured the distance between our solar system and the center of the Milky Way Galaxy and calculated the mass of the Milky Way. An enormous contribution of his was the proposal of a large number of icy comets left over from the formation of the solar system, now known as the Oort Cloud.
References for more study:
How Polaris Proves the Earth is Round
https://debunkingflatearth.blogspot.de/2016/02/debunking-flat-earth-how-polaris-proves.html
ASTROPHOTOGRAPHY THIERRY LEGAULT http://www.astrophoto.fr/
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I checked out my bosses globe and you are correct, but if you goto accuweather.com and zoom way out to look at GREENLAND (I got the two confused in prev post), you will see its represented as being the size of africa. Google maps shows the same.
I dont believe the earth is spinning, i dont believe we are moving through the galaxie the way science claims which is why i said the sun and stars must be much closer for the exact reason you give that they would be moving faster than the speed of light. As far as the actual speed of light, i guess i can accept that science is close enough, its fast regardless.
The corialias (sp?) effect has always been interesting to me in that the earths “spin” supposedly affects a shooters bullet, but not a hotair baloon is crapola. However, explained on this site, cosmic forces, gravity or whatever you want to call it, could very well be the cause and affect the hot air baloon as well, but is so small goes un noticed, whereas a bullet is noticed because the shooter misses his target.
All i really know is, we dont know
David, you said:
The scientists, such as Robert Sungenis, who have pointed to the geocentric earth, not to counter the flat earth, but to counter the heliocentric model; don’t seem to make it an issue.
I think it’s not an issues because the consensus is that you can make the numbers work in either model. I see the two models being juxtaposed, not presented as conflicting.
TJ
David,
I figured it was just a matter of time before we got to this topic. I reread your page on the Heliocentric model. I found that many of the quotes speak directly to “observations.” For instance,
“Whether the Earth rotates once a day from west to east, as Copernicus taught, or the heavens revolve once a day from east to west, as his predecessors believed; THE OBSERVABLE PHENOMENON will be exactly the same. This shows a defect in Newtonian dynamics, since an empirical science ought not to contain a metaphysical assumption, which can never be proved or disproved BY OBSERVATION.” Dennis Sciama, Physicist
And,
“So which is real, the Ptolemaic or Copernican system? Although it is not uncommon for people to say that Copernicus proved Ptolemy wrong, that is not true… One can use either picture as a model of the universe, for our observations of the heavens can be explained by assuming EITHER the earth or the sun to be at rest.” Stephen Hawking.
Hawking is not saying here that the Earth is motionless. He is saying that observations can be explained by assuming EITHER model. Now think of a merry-go-round. Sit at the edge looking out and spin slowly. You know you are spinning, but, you can actually imagine that you are motionless and the playground is spinning around you. If you were to take measurements like speed, distance, angles, etc., you could apply them to both models and they would agree. This is what Hawking was talking about. However, the laws of physics would rule. For instance, as you spin you notice a tall tree several blocks away. The measurements you take will reveal a formula that tells you the following:
A. If you are spinning, there is a calculable rate of spin and a limit as to how fast you can spin before your body flies apart.
B. If you are stationary, there is also a calculable rate of spin and a limit as to how fast the playground can spin around you. The playground is spinning around you at a calculable speed. So, is the tall tree blocks away. Clearly, the tall tree is moving much faster than the playground in your immediate vicinity. There is a limit as to how fast something can spin around you and, therefore, a limit as to how far away it can be and still make the trip without violating any laws of physics (or flying apart.)
Then there is this quote:
“There is no PLANETARY OBSERVATION by which we on Earth can prove that the Earth is moving in an orbit around the sun.” I. Bernard Cohen, Physicist
This is true… “planetary” observations appear the same in both models. (Though, I admit, I am still unsure how the Venus retrograde works in both models, but, apparently, it does.) But, what about stellar observations? What do you think about the stellar parallax experiments? If they are correct, then either the Earth is moving through space, or the dome has a wobble.
I think stars and other galaxies don’t need to be millions of light years away for this to be a problem for the geocentric model. Even if they are closer than we think, the speeds necessary to completely encircle us every 24 hours are just too fast.
Also, on the video Geocentricity – The Orrery, please go to 3:01 on the video. Notice the stars are located on the outer ring. When the geocentric model is in motion, the stars further away from the Earth have to move faster than those that are closer. You can visually see the difference in speed. Not only would the speeds be too great in the geocentric model, the speed would by necessity have be varied depending on distance from the center… being Earth.
Thanks for sharing your insight TJ! I appreciate someone who does their research and is logical and rational! 🙂
Hey David,
Great video. It contains some I have seen and others I haven’t. I have also seen several videos of flatearthers trying to explain star trails. I will have to give them credit. It would be very easy for them to just say that all videos of star trails from the equator and (alleged) south pole are fakes. But, that is not the case. From upside-down salad bowls to magnifying glasses, to mirrored plates, they give it their best. Like everything else, they want it both ways. They say the Earth is flat, but, the star trails do not support that. If, for one moment, they would just open their minds and picture themselves standing on a big spinning ball looking out at the stars, they would see that a spinning ball perfectly explains everything. From star trails, to the way the moon appears upside down in the southern hemisphere, to airline flights, etc. Not to mention my map challenge which still stands. Once again, we have comments from several people, but, the ignore the map challenge. Very sad… I think I have lost what little hope I had in humanity.
So, what do you think about my assertion that if the universe were spinning around a stationary Earth, the distant galaxies would have to travel faster than light to rotate a full circle around us in 24 hours?
TJ
Hey TJ, the video makes it obvious that the earth is a globe, as so many other proofs such as how the sun and moon appear.
I hear what you’re saying about the universe spinning around the Earth at a high rate of speed, in the geocentric model. The scientists, such as Robert Sungenis, who have pointed to the geocentric earth, not to counter the flat earth, but to counter the heliocentric model; don’t seem to make it an issue.
Maybe the universe is smaller than what they say, and the sun is much closer. I’m not scientific enough to prove it out, but I think that there’s enough evidence to support that the earth is geocentric.
David
Hey David, please consider adding a photo (or better, a video) of the star trails taken at the Equator to your Astronomy page. They are amazing. Just search “star trails at equator” on youtube. And, yes, flatearthers have an explanation about what we are seeing… quite possibly the most ludicrous I’ve heard yet. My conclusion is that there is simply no way we would observe this movement on a flat earth. Flatearthers can’t have it both ways and I won’t tolerate such manipulation in a debate. Much in the same way as I no longer accept the excuse that flatearthers are “still working” on a flat earth map.
TJ
Hey TJ. I added a short video which proves the point. Let me know what you think. David http://flatearthdeception.com/astronomy-proves-the-flat-earth-deception/
Scott, you said a lot, but… On a globe, Iceland is NOT the same size of Africa. ON A GLOBE it appears EXACTLY the size that it is… about 1/12th the size of Africa. If the measurements on a globe match the real-world on-the-ground measurements of continents then that alone is proof the Earth is spherical.
I think what is being ignored here is the perspective of the observer. We have many examples of observations being described differently by different observers. The best real-world example is the train whistle. As we know, the sound of the whistle is different for each observer. Man #1 on the train hears a constant tone that does not change as the train moves down the tracks. But, man #2 on the platform hears a higher pitch as the train approaches and a lower pitch as it passes and moves away. So, which is correct? The pitch is constant, or the pitch changes? The answer is… the pitch is constant. But, something happens to the information (sound) before it hits the ears of observer #2. Same applies with light.
Question: Do you believe that light moves at approx. 286K mps? Do you believe that our Sun is approx. 93M miles away? Do you believe that the firmament has depth and that other galaxies are observable? Depending on your answers, these questions will tell you whether or not the Earth is spinning. For a distant galaxy to spin around you in 24 hours, that galaxy would have to be traveling faster than the speed of light; an impossibility.
So, the question is… does the Earth spin, or does the universe spin around a stationary earth? If the firmament has depth, there is a limit on how far something can be away from us and still be able to encircle us in a 24 hour period.
Grace & Peace,
TJ
So im with you so far that the earth is geocentric and not spinning, makes sesen, as does a spherical shaped earth, but now how do we rectify the distances, ie 93 million mile sun, light years away stars? Thats the only part of heliosentric model that makes sense to me, not that i believe we are spinning, but that in order for the rest to be spinning and earth not spinning, it would have to be much closer.
That’s a great question Scott! I don’t recall it being addressed in the book Geocentrism 101 – An Introduction into the Science of Geocentric Cosmology, but maybe other geocentric scientists have answered that question. I’ll let you know if/when I find out.
I first heard of “flat earthers” on the mark levin show, wanted to know what he was talking about so i looked into it. I see their point in some respects, like the sun going down across the water and what the light should look like if the earth were a globe, jesus being shown all the kingdoms on earth, was he not aware of north america? that kind of thing, but the lunar ececlipsand the shadow cast cannot be explained by a flat earth. But nor can i believe the earth and solar system is slinging around at those great speeds for thousands of years and the constellations have not changed. I think the problem boils down to faith and trust, for me anyway. Did jesus spend 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb like he said he would or are the catholics right that good friday to easter sunday counts as 3 days? Im going with what my savior said, that would be faith. Then we get to trust, or lack of it. We got a beast government that i just cannot trust. It starts with one guy firing 3 shots that killed a president, i cannot believe that. Then the moon landing, some serious issues with that. They claim they lost the technology to return to the moon, c’mon man, i’ve seen the lander in the smithsonian so what do you mean its lost, it aint a set of car keys. Building 7, false flags, benghazi, they lie at every turn. On a globe, how is iceland roughly the size of africa? My fact is, i trust nothing “they” say. So, round, flat, spinning, stationary, gravity, none of it is provable and none of it matters. When God wants me to know, i have faith he will tell me, until then i’ll stay the course and continue to pray for forgiveness.
Scott, the real deception appears to be that the globe earth is geocentric, that it is the center of the universe; and that it’s not spinning or flying through space. Scientific proofs were being discovered which proved this out, so the enemy is pushing the flat earth theory, to get people to dismiss anyone who teaches anything but the heliocentric earth model.
The geocentric globe model lines up perfectly with Scripture, and with the laws of physics.
Here’s a page that proves it out. http://flatearthdeception.com/the-hidden-option-of-the-geocentric-globe-earth/
It did take billions of years. It’s not an illusion. It’s real and such is the nature of the Creator. I can’t prove there is a creator. But, the universe being real is much better proof than a hologram. The level of work, energy and time to create the real universe is much greater than what it would take to create an illusion. I just don’t understand why we can not all believe in the magnificence and enormity of the real universe, notwithstanding a “creator” or as Einstein put it, “A Prime Mover”. Why does it have to be a trick or an illusion?
T.J.
So what if the Earth was around some holographic field that mimics free open space? Wouldn’t be too difficult for an advanced civilization, not too much different than how humans keep animals in a zoo and mimic their natural environment, this article only addressed issues with the sky, but not much other issues on Earth…
so you agree that the earth is not flat. first good point.
if there an holographic field, this mean that the earth is in the space, no cable etc… so the space exists 2nd good point.
now… what’s the distance of this field? has to be very very far away to make sure that from 2 distant point on the earth, we see the stars at the right place to have a perfect illusion.
I cant imagine the level of work, energy, and time spend to create this perfect holographic. has certainly take billion of years… 🙂