Nathan Roberts 8 Ways The Bible Says Flat Earth Video Review

by David on October 9, 2018

This website exposes the flat earth deception and proves that the earth is globe shaped.

Nathan Roberts made a video called 8 Ways The Bible Says FLAT EARTH, which ironically only provides 6 ways. 😛  This post serves to debunk his explanations.

Let’s go through these six, I mean eight, ways that Nathan Roberts says prove that the Bible says that the earth is flat.

#1) He cited Job 38:4-5 to say that it’s pointing to a stretched and straight line.

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

That verse does not use the word straight, and him proclaiming that all lines must be straight is nonsensical.  Has he never heard of a curved line?

Definition of a curved line: A “curved line” or a “curvy line” or simply a “curve” is said to be a line that is not straight, i.e. a curve is something that is bent. It is said to be the generalization of a line where the curvature is not zero. Ideally, in mathematics, a curve has to be smooth and continuous.

Can you measure the diameter of a basketball using a tape measure?  Yes, because it wraps around the ball!

So his explanation, which is based on the assertion that all lines are straight, doesn’t prove anything except that his mind is illogical.

#2) Scripture cites straight paths which are not possible on a sphere earth. 

He proclaims that 12 verses say that the earth has straight paths, but he didn’t give the verses so that we can confirm them and see the context.

He says that straight paths cannot exist on a sphere earth?  Seriously?  Can a person not walk in a straight path across the ball earth? Of course they can!

Proclaiming that all paths are straight, does not prove that the earth is flat.

The irony is that if you travel East or West on the supposed flat earth map, your path is not straight, as East and West curve around the North Pole.

But on the globe earth you can head due east or due west and follow a straight path all the way around the earth.

I assume that he’s referring to the dozen verses that he cited in his ‘200 verses which prove that the earth is flat’ explanation, which I debunk on the Biblical Proofs Of The Globe Earth page.

They’re obviously not talking about the form of the Earth. And the fact that they are declaring to make the path straight, tells us that paths are normally not straight.

“And the kine took the straight way to the way of Bethshemesh, and went along the highway, lowing as they went, and turned not aside to the right hand or to the left; and the lords of the Philistines went after them unto the border of Bethshemesh.” 1 Samuel 6:12

“Lead me, O LORD, in thy righteousness because of mine enemies; make thy way straight before my face.” Psalm 5:8

“Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies.” Psalm 27:11

“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.” Isaiah 40:3

“They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.” Jeremiah 31:9

“For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.” Matthew 3:3

“The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.” Mark 1:3

“As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Luke 3:4

“He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.” John 1:23

“Therefore loosing from Troas, we came with a straight course to Samothracia, and the next day to Neapolis;” Acts 16:11

“And it came to pass, that after we were gotten from them, and had launched, we came with a straight course unto Coos, and the day following unto Rhodes, and from thence unto Patara:”Acts 21:1

“And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.” Hebrews 12:13

Once again, Nathan did not prove that the Bible proclaims that the earth is flat!  He took verses totally out of their proper context.

#3) He cited Job 37:10 to say that waters are made straight. 

“By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened.”

He says that all water is flat, but if waters are made straight, then that means that the waters weren’t straight beforehand.

Job 37:10 speaks about frost and Job 37:9 cites the south winds and the cold coming out of the north, so the context is the weather.  And what happens when it gets really cold?

Water changes from being able to move and change shape, to being made into ice, so that it is straightened. That’s the proper context of the verse Nathan!

After that lame explanation, he made the statement that, “Either the Bible is untrue or the Bible does say that the earth is flat.

That seems like ‘circular logic’ to me! 😛

#4) He says that at least 27 bible verses that say that the earth has a face. 

He cites a Hebrew word that is associated with the word face which says one of the definitions is straight, but doesn’t tell us what it is, so that we can look at it.

He may be referring to Hebrew word 6440 paniym, which is used in many different ways in 1,890 verses, none of which are talking about the designs of the earth:

plural (but always as singular) of an unused noun (paneh {paw-neh’}; from 6437); the face (as the part that turns); used in a great variety of applications (literally and figuratively); also (with prepositional prefix) as a preposition (before, etc.):—+ accept, a-(be- )fore(-time), against, anger, X as (long as), at, + battle, + because (of), + beseech, countenance, edge, + employ, endure, + enquire, face, favour, fear of, for, forefront(-part), form(-er time, -ward), from, front, heaviness, X him(-self), + honourable, + impudent, + in, it, look(-eth) (- s), X me, + meet, X more than, mouth, of, off, (of) old (time), X on, open, + out of, over against, the partial, person, + please, presence, propect, was purposed, by reason of, + regard, right forth, + serve, X shewbread, sight, state, straight, + street, X thee, X them(-selves), through (+ – out), till, time(-s) past, (un-)to(-ward), + upon, upside (+ down), with(- in, + -stand), X ye, X you.

Does it seem like the context of these verses is the design of the earth?  No!

Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

Numbers 22:11 Behold, there is a people come out of Egypt, which covereth the face of the earth: come now, curse me them; peradventure I shall be able to overcome them, and drive them out.

Citing verses that have the phrase ‘face of the earth’ means nothing unless the verse is actually about the design of the earth.  Once again, Nathan has proven nothing.

#5) He says that three verses say that water has a face, which he doesn’t provide.

I assume that he’s talking about these three verses which have the words ‘water’ and ‘face’ in them:

2 Kings 8:15 And it came to pass on the morrow, that he took a thick cloth, and dipped it in water, and spread it on his face, so that he died: and Hazael reigned in his stead.

Proverbs 27:19 As in water face answereth to face, so the heart of man to man.

Lamentations 2:19 Arise, cry out in the night: in the beginning of the watches pour out thine heart like water before the face of the Lord: lift up thy hands toward him for the life of thy young children, that faint for hunger in the top of every street.

Do any of those verses seem to be pointing to the design of the earth? No!

#6) In at least three different Bible verses, it says the earth has a breadth; Genesis 13:17, Isaiah 8:8 and Revelation 20:9

Definition of breadth: the distance or measurement from side to side of something; width.

Does a basketball have a breadth/width?  Of course it does!

Genesis 13:17 says “Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.”

It’s pointing to the length and the width of the land which the Father had given to Abram.  It’s not talking about the design of the earth.

Isaiah 8:8 says “And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel.”

That verse is not pointing to the design of the earth, but to land of Judah, which was about to be invaded by the Assyrians.

Revelation 20:9 says “And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”

Once again, that verse is not pointing to the design of the earth, but to the width of Holy Jerusalem.

Do you see how Nathan is taking verses out of their clear context, to proclaim that they are saying that the earth is flat?  They don’t prove that the earth is curved or flat, because they are not about the shape of the earth.

He pointed to his list of 200 verses that supposed say that the earth is flat, which I debunked on my Biblical Proofs Of The Globe Earth page.

He cited Isaiah 40:22 earth saying that the circle is pointing to the flat earth; but once again he fails to understand the context of the verse.

Flat-earthers cite Isaiah 40:22 to say that the world circle (chuwg) points to a circular flat earth, not a ball.

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

The ‘he’ is our Creator. He is not sitting upon a circular flat earth. He is sitting in the heavens, where the circle of the ecliptic displays the narrative of redemption through the constellations.

The word for ‘tent‘ can be rendered as ‘tabernacle‘; so it’s saying that our Creator is sitting in the tabernacle of the stars which He created.

Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.

And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19

He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the circle of the Mazzoroth, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.

Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21

Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32

The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.  It’s a tabernacle (tent) in which the Father dwells.

The circle of Isaiah 40:22 is the ecliptic, not the flat earth circle

We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the circle of the stars of the Mazzoroth.

Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26

He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4

So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.

The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”

Nathan Roberts rightly says that Isaiah 22:18 is about a ball, and that Isaiah 40:22 is not about a ball.  What he fails the understand is that it’s pointing to the circle of the ecliptic in the expanse of heavens, not to the earth.

There are contradictions in his logic, not the Bible.  He cites Romans 3:4 to say that every man a liar, and that includes Nathan Roberts who has ignorantly taken all of these verses out of context to proclaim that the Bible says that the earth is flat.

Note: He added the following explanations in the video description, since he didn’t cover them in the video which he inaccurately titled “8 Ways The Bible Says Flat Earth.”

#7) Need to include Job 38:14 which says, “It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.”

The context of the verse is Elohim expressing to Job that He is all-powerful in creating all that Job can see.

Genesis 1:2 tells us that the earth was like a ball of clay, “And the earth was without form, and void” which Elohim shaped to divide the waters with the land masses.  The massive earth took form as Elohim shaped it, to create the mountains and the valleys, the low places for lakes, etc., just like clay forms to a seal.

Once again, this verse does not proclaim that the earth is flat.

#8) Need to include Psalm 19:4 which says, “Their line (Strong’s 6957) is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

He cites 6957 OT – Hebrew qavkav or qav {kawv}; from ‘qavah’ (6960) (compare ‘qaveh’ (6961)); a cord (as connecting), especially for measuring; figuratively, a rule; also a rim, a musical string or accord:–line. Compare ‘qav-qav’ (6978).

What he is missing is that the ‘line’ is the ecliptic that is the circle in Isaiah 40:22.  The sun appears in the 12 constellations on the ecliptic to tell the Gospel story of our redemption.

In talking about the sun, Psalm 19:6 says that it is travelling around the circuit, the circle, the curved line, the ecliptic.  That seems to point to the sun moving, which I cover in on The Hidden Option Of The Geocentric Globe Earth page, but it doesn’t prove that the earth is flat.

“His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.”

It’s amazing to me that Nathan really believes that these verses proclaim that the earth is flat.

He’s cherry-picking verses without considering their proper context, and then he mocks people who believe that the earth is a globe.

You can see a list of verses that flat earthers cite on the Biblical Proofs Of The Globe Earth page.

Philippe October 9, 2018 at 7:05 pm

The simple fact that we can see the same stars all year around when on the globe model every six month we should see a complete different constellation proves the Earth is a flat plane. The simple fact that we can see Mercury and Venus at night proves we are static. The simple fact that everything we observe over long distances converges to the vanishing point over the horizon always at eye level proves the Earth is a flat plane. The simple fact that all flights and distances take the longest time in the Southern Hemisphere such as the very bottom of South America, South Africa and Australia when it should be the shortest route since the circumference of the Earth on that latitude and longitude is almost half of that of the equator. And the simple fact that arguing against the Flat Earth evidence is futile as NO subject shrinks 8 inches using the Pythagorean math at one mile distance on any body of water as a result of the suppose curvature which is easily disprove with lasers and software. The Earth is observably and measurably flat!

David October 9, 2018 at 7:09 pm

You make a lot of statements, but provide no proof, and have not proven my explanations wrong. Southern flights absolutely prove that the earth is a globe, because they would take much longer on the flat earth model. There are testimonies from professional pilots that prove this on the Flights Prove The Flat Earth Deception page. http://flatearthdeception.com/flights-prove-the-flat-earth-deception/

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