Astronomy Proves The Flat Earth Deception

This website exposes the flat earth deception and proves that the earth is globe shaped.

This page provides astronomy proofs that the earth is ball shaped, and is surrounded by stars and planets. We won’t focus on NASA images and information, as they have been accused of being fake.

Instead we will focus on astronomy sources that have no agenda, other than the study of the stars, moon, sun, planets and galaxies.

Questions for flat earthers: What is the scientific explanation for the curved shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse? If you believe that the sun illuminates the moon, then what is blocking the suns rays from hitting the moon?  If you don’t believe that the sun illuminates the moon, then what is causing the moon to appear this way?

Questions for flat earthers: What is the scientific explanation for the curved shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse?  What is blocking the sun and caused the curved shadow?

Please comment on the bottom of this page with your answer. Thank you!

The constellations Octans, which is closest to the Southern Pole star, is visible to people who are in southern continents, who are all facing south.  That’s not possible on the flat earth map!

I believe that the evil ones are having NASA publish pictures which can be proven to be fake, so that flat-earthers proclaim that it is part of the cover up.

But fake NASA images and missions, in and of themselves, do not prove the flat earth. Of course they use CGI to create nice photos, they admit as such.

Anyone can buy the SkyView Explore The Universe and Satellite Guide apps to use on their phone, to know where to look in the sky to view planets and satellites. That in itself disproves flat-earthers proclamation that there are no planets or satellites.

Stellarium is a free open source planetarium for your computer, showing you where to look for planets and constellations. It shows a realistic sky in 3D, just like what you see with the naked eye, binoculars or a telescope.

Add in all of the professional and amateur astronomy photographs of the planets and stars, such as Astronomers Without Borders, and you remove all doubt.

Here’s a superb demonstration of how verifiable observations in the real world do not work on a Flat Earth but make perfect sense on the Globe.

Why don’t the stars show up on images of the moon, and of earth from the ISS?

Here’s a video of the star trails which were recorded from the Equator.

If the earth were flat, then there would only be one circle of stars; but we can clearly see two opposing circles, which proves that the Earth is a globe.

People in the Southern Hemisphere can’t see Polaris, the North Star; because the curve of the globe earth prevents them from seeing it.

People in the Southern Hemisphere can't see Polaris, the North Star; because the curve of the globe earth prevents them from seeing it.

People in the Southern Hemisphere can all look South and see Alpha Crucis, but that is not possible on the flat earth model.

People in the Southern Hemisphere can all look South and see Alpha Crucis, but that is not possible on the flat earth model.

People in the Southern Hemisphere can all look South and see the South Celestial Pole star, Sigma Octantis, which is only possible on a globe earth.

On the flat earth model, if people in Australia, South Africa and South America, were all facing South, they would be facing opposite directions, so there is no way that they can all see the South Celestial Pole star, which does not move.

Yet people in those three Southern Hemisphere continents can look South and see the South Celestial Pole star, and see the stars circling around it.

On the flat earth model, if people in Australia, South Africa and South America, were all facing South, they would be facing opposite directions. Yet people in those three Southern Hemisphere continents can look South and see the South Celestial Pole star, and see the stars circling around it. This proves that the North and South Pole stars are at the top and bottom of the ball of lights, and the other stars are circling the globe Earth.

Stars circling the South Celestial Pole from Sydney, Australia

South Pole Star from Sydney Australia proves the globe Earth

Stars circling the South Celestial Pole from Reunion Island, South Africa

South Pole Star from Reunion Island, South Africa proves the globe Earth

Stars circling the South Celestial Pole from Santiago, Chile

South Pole Star from Santiago Chile proves the globe Earth

This proves that the North and South Pole stars are at the top and bottom of the Earth, and the other stars are circling the globe Earth.

This proves that the North and South Pole stars are at the top and bottom of the Earth, and the other stars are circling the globe Earth.

An Equatorial Mount on a Telescope will allow you to track the Sun and Stars with a single axis of rotation.

If an object is moving in circles above a flat Earth this would be completely impossible. You would require two axes of movement to follow it.

Flat earthers use images like this to proclaim that planets are fake. 

Many of them are from a Nikon P900, which a great little camera with a big zoom lens; but it has a small aperture, so it is not designed to take pictures of small bright objects, such distant stars and planets.

The problem is simply that the P900 cannot focus on a small point light source. So what we are seeing is planets that are blurred and out of focus. And since it’s essentially a point light source it forms an “orb” shape, commonly referred to as Bokeh.

Flat earth planet images

There are Astronomy societies all around the world, who show through optical telescopes the stars, moon, sun, planets and galaxies.

To say that they are all part of the flat earth conspiracy is ridiculous!

Astronomers Without Borders features photos from people around the world.

Hamilton Amateur Astronomers is a non-profit organization dedicated to the enjoyment and advancement of astronomy. It is the largest independent astronomy club in Canada.

Here is a link to the Denver Astronomy Society and the Colorado Springs Astronomical Society, as a few examples.

Find a local group who will let you look through their telescopes, to see the planets; to prove that what flat earthers teach is not true.

In The Sky virtual planetarium uses your location to let you know where to look in the sky for constellations and planets.

Anyone can buy the SkyView Explore The Universe and Satellite Guide apps to use on their phone, to know where to look in the sky to view planets and satellites.

The Virtual Telescope Project lets you use a remote telescope to view the planets,  solar system, star clusters, nebulae and galaxies.

Here is a link to their Virtual Telescope Project photo gallery.

There are many Astrophotographers, such as http://www.astropix.com/index.html

This video needs no explanation; it simply and quickly illustrates the biggest problem for the Flat Earth model of the Earth. There is no math involved, it is easy to verify for yourself, and anyone can understand the problem from a single view of this video.

.Many Bible verses point to the stars of the Mazzaroth, so they are real.

When Elohim was questioning Job, He pointed out His command of the Mazzaroth, the twelve signs in the circle of the Zodiac.

Do you bind the bands of Kimah (Pleiades), or loosen the cords of Kesil (Orion)? Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzaroth ) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear (Arcturus) with its sons? Job 38:31-32

The great plan of redemption was told through the stars, long before written records were in place.  It is defined with star groups and the names of individual stars.

The heavens (Mazzaroth) are proclaiming the esteem of Ěl; And the expanse is declaring the work of His hand.

Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge.

There is no speech, and there are no words, Their voice is not heard.

Their line (ecliptic) has gone out through all the earth, And their words to the end of the world. In them He set up a tent for the sun (picture of Yahusha, the Sun of Righteousness, Malachi 4:2),

And it is like a bridegroom coming out of his room, It rejoices like a strong man to run the path.

Its rising is from one end of the heavens, And its circuit to the other end; And naught is hidden from its heat. Psalms 19:1-6

The enemy, Satan, has perverted the story of redemption by causing pagan empires to create alternative stories about the stars.

He has caused believers to shun any knowledge of the zodiac, as he has conditioned them to believe that it is evil.

But the constellations of the Zodiac were created by your Father in heaven, to declare His love for you, and to declare His plan of redemption.

He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4

God’s Voice in the Stars – Zodiac Signs And Bible Truths by Ken Fleming

2 Kings 23:5 clearly proclaims the existence of planets; which flatearthers deny:

And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.”

The Southern Cross is only visible to those in the southern hemisphere.

The south celestial pole can be located from the Southern Cross (Crux) and its two “pointer” stars α Centauri and β Centauri. Draw an imaginary line from γ Crucis to α Crucis—the two stars at the extreme ends of the long axis of the cross—and follow this line through the sky.

Southern Cross only in southern hemisphere

Either go four and a half times the distance of the long axis in the direction the narrow end of the cross points, or join the two pointer stars with a line, divide this line in half, then at right angles draw another imaginary line through the sky until it meets the line from the Southern Cross. This point is 5 or 6 degrees from the south celestial pole. Very few bright stars of importance lie between Crux and the pole itself, although the constellation Musca is fairly easily recognized immediately beneath Crux.

Flat Earth’s Greatest Challenge: Southern Stars

If you were in Alaska and looked towards the North Star you would see that star remain roughly stationary and all the other stars will circle it like seen in the time lapsed photos here: www.guidescope.net/starfields/circles.htm if you were in South Africa, you will not be able to see the North Star (because the spherical earth is in the way), but if you look due south, you will see the circle of the stars go in the opposite direction.

If you are at the equator, you can see something even different (look north and see the stars moving counter clockwise and look south and see them moving clockwise). http://physics.weber.edu/schroeder/ua/StarMotion.html

The crescent shape of the moon appears inversely between people in the northern and southern hemispheres.

If Earth is flat, how can billions of people see two different sets of constellations rotating in opposite directions, around two opposite poles?

How can people in the southern hemisphere essentially stand in a circle with their backs to each other, and all be facing the same southern constellation?

If 2 people in Australia and South America are standing with their backs to the north pole, and therefore facing in different directions, how are they all able to see the southern pole star (Sigma Octantis)?

If Earth is flat, how can billions of people see two different sets of constellations rotating in opposite directions, around two opposite poles?

The Southern Cross cannot be seen in both New Zealand and South Africa on the Flat Earth.

South Africa is in the same time zone as Germany, but at night Germans see the North Star while South Africans are viewing the Southern Cross. The Southern cross is also seen by those in New Zealand. It is only possible on a round earth as they can see the same sky.

 Only on a globe earth can people in South Africa and New Zealand see the Southern Cross

The question, begs, since all out of the outer part of the flat earth is supposedly ‘south’, where is the Southern Cross located at?

No matter where you put it, it would not be possible for people in South Africa and New Zealand to both see it, as they are one opposite sides of the supposed flat earth.

People in New Zealand and South Africa cannot both see the southern cross.

 

Flat earthers have no way to explain these 2017 celestial events, which we can see with our eyes:

February 26: Annular Solar Eclipse

March 20: Spring Equinox, when the sun will rise due East, and set due West, because the Sun is so far away that every location has the same basic angle to the sun.  This is not possible on the flat earth, as people in the Northern hemisphere would have a very different angle that people in the Southern hemisphere.

April 22/23: Lyrid Meteor Shower

May 5/6: Eta Aquarid Meteors

June 9: Micromoon, when the Full Moon is at apogee, the farthest point from Earth, making June’s Strawberry Moon a Micromoon. This Full Moon looks around 12 to 14% smaller than its counterpart, the Supermoon.

July 3: Earth at Aphelion, when Earth will be at aphelion: the furthest point from the Sun in its yearly orbit.

August 7/8: Partial Lunar Eclipse

August 12/13: Perseid Meteors

August 21: Total Solar Eclipse

September 22: Fall Equinox, when the sun will rise due East, and set due West, from every location on earth, because the Sun is so far away that every location has the same basic angle to the sun.  This is not possible on the flat earth, as people in the Northern hemisphere would have a very different angle that people in the Southern hemisphere.

October 8: Draconid Meteor Shower

October 20/21: Orionid Meteors

November 17/18: Leonid Meteor Shower

December 3/4: Supermoon, when the full moon looks around 12 to 14% larger than its counterpart, the Micromoon.

December 13/14: Geminids Meteors

December 23/24: Ursid Meteors

The great astronomers of history:

The story that Christians believed in a flat earth until Columbus’ time, and for some time thereafter, began as part of a fictional story that was elevated to historical fact by late 19th-century Darwinists who used it primarily as a means to ridicule Christians.

The spherical shape of the earth was known to the ancient Greeks, who even made some good estimates of its circumference and, contrary to the claims of the flat-earth myth perpetuators, was never lost.

One well-known example is Eratosthenes who measured the earth’s diameter fairly accurately in the 3rd century BC.30 Eratosthenes calculated the circumference using geometry to within 3.5% of the true value.

The ancient Greek experimenters knew its shape by evaluating a variety of evidences, including the earth’s shadow during a lunar eclipse and the changing sky as one travels northward and southward.1 The ancients knew much about astronomy because they spent a great deal of time studying the heavens and stars for navigation purposes and because of their strong interest in astrology.

Claudius Ptolemy (85-165 A.D., Greek) was an astronomer who used Hipparchus’ extensive observations to develop a model that predicted the movements of the Sun, Moon, planets, and stars. His model, called the Ptolemaic system, visualized an Earth-centered universe and assumed that all astronomical objects move at constant speeds in circular orbits. The circle was considered by the ancients to be the perfect shape, and regardless of the evidence against circular orbits, Ptolemy built his model to fit this idea. The Ptolemaic model is one of the longest upheld scientific theories in history: it was the cornerstone of astronomy for 1,500 years.

Aristotle (384-322 B.C., Greek), the great philosopher, proved that the Earth is spherical, and believed that it was at the center of the universe. His reason for believing this was actually quite scientific: he knew that if the Earth revolved around the Sun, then we should see the stars shift position throughout the year. Since he did not have the technology to detect this shift, as we do today, he concluded that Earth must rest at the center of the universe. According to him, the Sun, planets, and stars were located in spheres that revolved around the Earth.

Anaximander (611-547 B.C., Ionian) was a Greek philosopher who made the first detailed maps of the Earth and the sky. He knew that the Earth was round, and believed that it was free-floating and unsupported. He measured its circumference, and was the first to put forward the idea that celestial bodies make full circles in their orbits. One of his greatest contributions was the fact that he was the first to conceptualize space as having depth.

AT THE TIME OF THE RISE OF THE JESUITS, INTERESTING!

Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543, Polish) began a new era of astronomy when he concluded that the Sun was the center of the universe instead of the Earth. Copernicus felt that the Ptolemaic system was contrived, but in his revisions of that model, he kept the orbits circular. The revolutionary idea was not popular with the Church, but several other astronomers such as Brahe and Galileo helped to eventually prove that this model of the universe more accurately portrayed reality.

Tycho Brahe (1546-1601, Danish) built an observatory from which he made the most accurate astronomical observations up to that time. His observatory contained sophisticated equipment for mapping star positions, and for more than 20 years he made detailed records of his findings. He believed that the universe was a blend of the Ptolemaic and Copernican models, and created his own model in which the planets orbit the Sun and the Sun orbits the Earth.

Giovanni Cassini (1625-1712, Italian) was the astronomer who first discovered the division in the rings of Saturn, today known as the Cassini division. He also found four moons orbiting Saturn, and measured the periods of rotation of Mars and Jupiter. The Cassini space mission currently on its way to Saturn was named after him.

Galileo Galilei (1564-1642, Italian) is the father of observational astronomy. In 1609, he heard about the Dutch invention of the telescope, and built one for himself. Even though his telescope was not very powerful compared to the amateur equipment available today, he was able to make a number of stunning discoveries which changed the face of astronomy. He saw the craters, mountains, and valleys of the Moon, noticed the huge number of stars making up the Milky Way, kept precise records of sunspot activity and the phases of Venus, and discovered four moons orbiting Jupiter. These moons are still called the Galilean Moons today, in honor of the earth-shattering scientific effects of the discovery. During a time when the Earth was still considered to be at the center of the universe, he publicized the fact that other astronomical bodies, such as Jupiter’s moons, were clearly revolving around something other than the Earth. Galileo’s support of the Copernican model of the universe frightened the Church, which put Galileo on trial in 1633. He was forced to renounce his Copernican views and was held under house arrest for the rest of his life.

William Herschel (1738-1822, British) was the discover of Uranus and two of its moons. He also discovered two more moons of Saturn and several asteroids, and made a catalog of 2,500 astronomical objects. He found the polar ice caps on Mars, which are today being studied by several satellites in the hopes of shedding light on the existence of water on Mars.

Annie Jump Cannon (1863-1941, American) was a member of the famous group of Harvard astronomers called ‘Pickering’s Women’. The director of the Harvard College Observatory, Edward Pickering, hired a number of women to sort through and organize mounds of data on the stellar classification of stars. The stars were classified by their spectra, and Annie Cannon was the most prolific and careful of the workers. She single-handedly classified 400,000 stars into the scheme we use today (O B A F G K M), and discovered 300 variable stars. She paved the way for women entering the astronomical field.

Henry Russell (1877-1957, American) was the one inventor of the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram describing the spectral types of stars. He measured the parallax of the stars photographically, allowing them to be properly placed on the H-R diagram.

Edwin Hubble (1889-1953, American) made an incredible contribution to astronomy and cosmology when he discovered that faraway galaxies are moving away from us. Known as Hubble’s Law, the theory states that galaxies recede from each other at a rate proportional to their distance from each other. This concept is a cornerstone of the Big Bang model of the universe.

Jan Oort (1900-1992, Dutch) first measured the distance between our solar system and the center of the Milky Way Galaxy and calculated the mass of the Milky Way. An enormous contribution of his was the proposal of a large number of icy comets left over from the formation of the solar system, now known as the Oort Cloud.

References for more study:

How Polaris Proves the Earth is Round
https://debunkingflatearth.blogspot.de/2016/02/debunking-flat-earth-how-polaris-proves.html

ASTROPHOTOGRAPHY THIERRY LEGAULT http://www.astrophoto.fr/

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93 thoughts on “Astronomy Proves The Flat Earth Deception”

  1. My point about The Principle (more precisely, about the expansion pointing back at earth) is that if we were on another planet, like Jupiter, we would observe the same thing. It’s not that everything points back to earth. It points back to the observer.

    Also, re: geocentric vs. heliocentric. As we know, geocentric suggests the earth is the center of the universe. Heliocentric suggests the sun is the center of the universe. However, neither are correct. The sun is the center of our solar system, not the universe. It’s not possible to know where we should look to see the point at which the big bang happened. The cosmic background radiation comes at us from all directions. This does not translate into earth or the sun being the center of the universe, or that the big bang happening in our neighborhood. If we could travel to Neptune and measure the background radiation, it would also appear to be coming at us from all directions. Now we are getting into topics that I can’t prove like I can with the shape of the earth.
    T.J.

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  2. On the size of the moon/sun… the moon does, in fact, appear to be the same size of the sun, especially during an eclipse. But, it’s incorrect to suggest that it “perfectly” blocks out the sun. It has to (appear to be) a bit bigger to completely eclipse the sun. We have to remember that we are dealing with very large bodies and extremely great distances. For instance, if the sun were 90 million miles instead of 93, we would not be able to detect the difference and eclipses would look the same. Same goes if the moon were 200K miles instead of 236K; it would still completely block out the sun. With the sun, it’s just too far from us. Conversely, if the moon were, say, 300K miles away, we would probably see a ring around it during an eclipse because it would appear to be just a bit smaller than the sun. This is because the moon is extremely close to us compared to the sun. Just think about it… 93 million vs. 236K. This equals approx. 2/10ths of 1 percent. It’s not so much that Yahweh set these parameters just so we could experience a “total” eclipse. He set these parameters for very specific reasons that have to do with a world that is just right for us to even exist at all.

    I also want to comment on the chances of eclipses happening at all, or why they don’t happen every year or every month. Distances, orbits, speeds, and positions are the way they are, set in motion at the beginning of creation. The fact that we can predict solar and lunar eclipses is more important than the fact that they happen. What is “perfect” are the parameters themselves. Much in the same way that atomic weights are so precise. If the atomic weights (which are extremely small, but, measurable nonetheless) were off by the smallest factor, there would be no hydrogen, hence no water, hence no us. Or, or suns would not form, or everything would still be in gas form, etc. depending on which settings you tinker with. It is these precise (“perfect”) settings that enable everything to exist, including us. Now, THAT is truly awesome.
    T.J.

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  3. I will answer your last question first. From my experience, most (if not all) flatearthers begin with a belief, then set out to prove that belief (or disprove anything that disagrees with that belief.) They truly believe they already “know” the truth. For this reason, it is impossible to debate most flatearthers. However, the problem is not intelligence, or blindness, or having one’s eyes opened to truth. It is pride. Pride is the root of all evil. Very few flatearthers are so unintelligent that they are incapable of logic and reason. But, when a person begins with a belief, logic and reason are cast to the wind. There is a sense of pride that comes with the idea that flatearthers have been let in on a secret, their eyes opened and blindness removed, that logic is illogical and reason unreasonable. This can only mean that they believe they are special in that they have been un-blinded while the rest of us “idiots” are just too stupid to “see”. Pride is the source of ridicule (from both sides). A flatearther who stands his/her ground in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is nurturing their pride. It is a dangerous practice.

    As for The Principal, I have not watched it nor will I. Not because I am concerned about what truths I might be exposed to, but, because it was created with deception from the get go. What I HAVE seen is how many of those interviewed later objected to being tricked into taking part. You don’t see this with any other documentaries on any other subjects. I am aware of the data that suggests Earth is the center of the universe. However, the people who discovered this will tell you it is inconclusive. I do not accept speculation on unproven matters as anything other than that… speculation. Besides, when it comes to matters of Yahweh’s creation, we are to buy the truth and sell it not. I will not pay anyone to let me in on Yahweh’s truths. Every single one of us is capable of discovering His truths without having to pay someone. If the goal of The Principle is to share truth, it should be free.

    As for the geocentric model, it does not reflect the reality of what we can observe with our own eyes. I do, however, believe the universe is expanding and that expansion is speeding up. If true, then it will appear to be expanding in all directions no matter the position of the observer. The problem with geocentrists is the same as with flateartheres. They begin with a belief, then set out to prove it or disprove anything that disagrees with it.

    When you ask a flatearther why is the size, magnitude, and true nature of the universe being hidden from us, they will say it is to make us feel so small as to discredit the existence of a creator. I have found just the opposite. The bigger the universe, the more special we are. The awesomeness of the ever increasing discoveries only magnifies the power of what, apparently, we all believe, that Yahweh exists. Pitting science against religion is a mistake. Science does not disprove a creator. Just ask a scientist what existed before the big bang. The most important thing to remember is that time itself was created in the big bang. It is impossible for us humans to fully comprehend timelessness. Yahweh is outside of time. Even to say He “existed” before the universe is a misnomer. “Exist” is part and parcel to time. We all have to accept there are some things that we not only will never be able to understand, but, that we were never intended to understand. Such is the nature and power of our Creator.
    T.J.

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    • Yeah T.J., it’s crazy to watch unscientific flat earthers try to explain scientific things, just based on what they see.

      I agree that if The Principle was trying to help people see the truth, that the video would be free! The point they make, is that the universe is expanding from one point, from the big bang, and that point is centered on the earth, not the sun.

      I’m not how we can see whether the earth is heliocentric or geocentric, as things in the sky appear the same.

      I agree with the vastness of the universe testifies to an amazing Creator!

      A flat earther recently posted a meme, saying “what are the chances of the moon being in the exact right spot, in the midst of the 93 million miles from the earth to the sun; in order for the moon to appear the same size as the sun, and to be able to block it out perfectly during an eclipse?”

      The chances are almost zero! That’s the point! An amazing Creator put it in exactly the right spot for that to happen!

      Thanks as always for your input! 🙂

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      • I’m sure that those people in The Principle, who opposed the geocentric earth and a Creator; did feel like they were tricked. But they gave their honest opinion on the matter, and that’s what the movie showed.

        At this point in the game, I’m not sure that people are capable of discovering the truth without help; because there as so many voices in the world deceiving them.

        My study websites are free, but few people read the studies and see the truth.

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  4. I am sorry, but, I must reply to Banewicz’s comments regarding the number of the beast and earth’s speed through the solar system.

    66.6 is NOT the number of the beast. The number of the beast is 666. This does NOT mean that six-hundred sixty-six is an evil number; and, it certainly does not mean that variations of that number (like 66.6) are evil. For instance, the zip code for San Marcos, Texas is 78666. Should I avoid traveling through that town? Are the people who live there evil, or more susceptible to evil? Of course not. What if my car repair bill is exactly $666.00? Should I refuse to pay, or maybe pay $667.00 instead? What logic is there the our Creator would purposely set the angel of earth to the number of the beast? Such claims belittle the intelligence of our Creator.

    The reason we see the same stars year to year is because of one simple factor… distance. The stars are so far away that we could move around all we want and never see any change in position. This misunderstanding comes directly from a misunderstanding about the firmament. The firmament is not a dome. It is spherical and it surrounds our spherical earth. Neither is its thickness (or depth) limited. The firmament is space itself and it has no surface. Yes, the stars were placed in the firmament by our Creator, but, they are not stuck to a surface. This is why Hubble’s deep field photos agree with Scripture. Those billions of galaxies exist, and they are “in” the firmament. We must get away from the idea that the firmament is (a) made of glass and (b) limited in its thickness. Such proclamations also belittle the power and awesomeness of our Creator.

    By the way, thank you David for all your hard work. And, thank you to all the commenters who have joined these discussions and for keeping personal attacks out of them. The goal is truth, not ridicule.

    T.J.

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    • Thank you for sharing your insight T.J. You help bring balance to the discussion, so that it’s not just me pointing these things out.

      I post almost every comment from flat earthers, except those that are just crude in their language; to let them express their view. I don’t attack them, I simply provide evidence which shows that the earth is not flat.

      T.J., have you researched the geocentric globe earth?

      I watched the documentary movie The Principle and have been reading a book called ‘Geocentrism 101 – An Introduction into the Science of Geocentric Cosmology‘ by Robert A. Sungenis,‎ PhD; published on Oct. 15. 2015

      Here’s a link to The Principle website https://www.theprinciplemovie.com

      They show scientific proof that the universe is pointing to earth as the center, not the sun.

      The irony is that it is NASA probes that are giving the data to prove this out, and flat earthers proclaim that everything that NASA does is fake; but that data also proves that the earth is a globe.

      So NASA would be guilty of covering up the geocentric globe earth, which is huge.

      The question is, are flat earthers looking for truth? Or just to defend a belief?
      David

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  5. Thanks, David. It must be something other than the dome that causes cerpuscular rays to become anticerpuscular. Need to study further.

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  6. Morning David. Thanks for the above link. p-brane has a link explaining star rotation in the S. Hemisphere on a flat or globe earth. Haven’t studied it yet. I think it’s based on where an object rotating CW will be rotating CCW if viewed from the opposite direction. Crepuscular and Anticrepiuscular rays of light. Something causes the rays to become Anticrepuscular. He doesn’t say, but I suspect it may be reflection from the dome???

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_converter&hsimp=yhs-pty_converter&hspart=pty&p=p-brane+flat+earth+stars#id=51&vid=e23bf288b04454d1511a42eb2e782424&action=click

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    • Good morning John. I’ve seen people explain that the rotation of the stars in the southern hemisphere is due to reflection from the dome; but that makes no sense to me, as it a reflection would not be a perfect circle, but it would be distorted.

      It’s not like the dome is a flat mirror, which reflects perfectly. It is curved, so it would distort the reflection.

      If the earth was flat, the pattern of the stars would only be a circle for those who are below the northern star.

      For everyone else, who is looking north to see the north star, the pattern of the stars would appear to be oval-shaped.

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  7. We don’t see light: we see color, or a resonant frequency in the visual spectrum. A telescope magnifies: makes things look bigger; it doesn’t amplify the magnitude of frequencies producing color. With distance, the magnitude of frequencies producing color diminish. That may be why Polaris and the Southern Cross are not visible from long distances.

    If the sun and stars circumnavigate Earth daily, the Southern Cross should be visible anywhere in the southern hemisphere on a flat earth. Sun & stars are not fixed on a flat earth.

    Time lapse photos of stars moving in perfect circular paths are impossible if Earth is spiraling through space at ~2,000,000 mph never returning to the same location twice as proposed by modern astrophysics.

    Globe Earth is tilted 23.4 degrees from true north, 66.6 degrees from the equator, and, Earth is orbiting the sun at 66.6 thousand mph. Are all these 666’s a coincidence?

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    • Time lapse photos of stars moving in perfect circular paths are impossible on the flat earth, unless you are directly under the North Star. Otherwise you would be looking north and the stars that are circling around the North Star would have an oval pattern.

      If you’ve not read the home page, I’m open to the geocentric position of the globe earth, so that would account for the perfect circles of stars around the North Star.

      Besides that, people in southern hemispheres can all see the stars spin around the southern pole. That pole does not move around the flat earth everyday, it stays in the same place.

      As for the 666, it proves nothing, except that our Creator knows how to work with a globe earth to position it perfectly, as to create the seasons.

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  8. To those who believe Earth is flat… I would like to prove to you that you actually do believe in a globe earth. Please honestly answer the following questions:
    I live in Texas, so, I will begin with that example. I have an old fold-up map I used to use to drive around Texas (before the internet.) I also have a globe in my office.
    Can we agree that the SHAPE of Texas is accurate? If your answer is no, or I don’t know, then please STOP HERE. There is no reason for you to continue this thought experiment.
    Can we agree that the shape of Texas on a fold-up map looks identical on a globe?
    Can we agree that the SHAPE of the U.S. also looks identical on a fold-up map and a globe?
    Can we agree that Australia also looks identical on a fold-up map and a globe?
    Can we agree that Australia is about the same size as the U.S.?
    EXCEPT for Antarctica, can we agree that the size and shape of all the continents appear virtually identical on both fold-up maps and a globe?
    If we agree on the SHAPES of the continents, can we agree on their distances from each other; can we agree that London is approx. 3400 miles from New York City?
    Can we agree that Hawaii is about 2500 miles from Los Angeles?
    Can we agree that Auckland is about 1300 miles from Sydney?
    Can we agree that Perth is about 5100 miles from Johannesburg?

    If you answered yes to all these questions, then you absolutely do agree with the shapes and distances represented on a globe. If you deny the layout of a globe, then you are denying the real shapes and real distances. The reason there is no accurate map of the flat earth is because IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to represent both shapes and distances on a flat surface. We don’t need science or religion to help us understand this.

    T.J.

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    • Lee, I had people telling me to investigate that the earth was flat, so I did. Some of the explanations in articles and videos about the flat earth seemed convincing, especially about the Earth being geocentric; but most of them are lame, and can be disproved. If I’m wrong in my conclusion, then that’s my bad; but I assure you that I am no shill. People who are searching for the truth can read the explanations and decide for themselves; but most flat earthers are not open to alternative explanations, because they think that they already know the truth.

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      • That is not true, I used to believe the Earth was round until I was introduced to the idea of a flat earth. I did my own research, studied, argued -not discussed, I’m not even going to lie and say I talked it out- and realized this seemed very reasonable. The idea seemed completely out of this world, until I realized there is nothing else but this world. What I am saying is, Globe Earthers are the ones who are not open minded and argue with repetitive sayings and questions, when we answer them all they say is that we are “stupid” and “idiots”, but the ironic thing is how much smarter my arguments and I am than them.

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        • Kilven, I had several Facebook friends encourage me to research the flat earth, and since they exposed deceptions in other area, I did research it. I’ve watched many videos, read articles, etc. And my conclusions are posted on this website. Sadly, those friends unfriended me because I disagreed with them.

          Look at the comments on this website, and you see that it’s flat earthers who call me names.

          As for flat earther explanations, I wouldn’t say that they are smarter than the scientific explanations from the globe earth crowd. The globe earthers can explain how the moon is illuminated, how it displays the phases, and how a bigger and brighter super moon appears sometimes. Flat earthers can’t explain any of that. They just make statements like you did on the last comment, with no proof.

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