Biblical Proofs Of The Globe Earth

This website exposes the flat earth deception and proves that the earth is globe shaped.

This page lists the common verses that flat-earthers cite to supposedly prove the flat earth, but which are taken out of context or take too literally.

Note: Flat earthers cite that the enemy is covering up the flat earth theory, to hide the Creator.

But the domed-earth could have been created by some deity or aliens, and left as a terrarium of sorts, to allow life to grow and evolve over billions of years. So the flat earth theory really doesn’t prove that the creator is the God of the Bible.

Flat-earthers cite Isaiah 40:22 to say that the world circle (chuwg) points to a circular flat earth, not a ball.

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

The ‘he’ is our Creator. He is not sitting upon a circular flat earth. He is sitting in the heavens, where the circle of the ecliptic displays the narrative of redemption through the constellations.

The word for ‘tent‘ can be rendered as ‘tabernacle‘; so it’s saying that our Creator is sitting in the tabernacle of the stars which He created.

Let’s back up to get the context of the verse. Elohim is declaring the glory of His creation.

And to whom would you liken Ěl? And what likeness would you compare to Him? The workman moulds a graven image, and the goldsmith overspreads it with gold, and the silversmith casts silver chains. Isaiah 40:18-19

He is declaring that the works of man are nothing as compared to His creativity and power. Then He points out His Mazzoroth, the twelve signs in the circle of the Mazzoroth, which have proclaimed His plan of redemption from the beginning.

Did you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? Isaiah 40:21

Do you bring out the constellations (Mazzoroth) in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons. Job 38:32

The CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22 is the Mazzoroth in the sky above, that has 12 constellations in a circle on the ecliptic, which declare the Gospel. It is like a curtain which covers the earth, and in which the stars dwell.  It’s a tabernacle (tent) in which the Father dwells.

The circle of Isaiah 40:22 is the ecliptic, not the flat earth circle

We see that Elohim tells them to look up to the circle of the stars of the Mazzoroth.

Lift up your eyes on high and see. Who has created these? He who is bringing out their host by number, He calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power – not one is missing. Isaiah 40:26

He appoints the number of the stars, He gives names to all of them.” Psalm 147:4

So one can clearly see that when Elohim referred to the circle of the Earth, He is referring to the circle of the Mazzoroth which acts as a constant witness to those on earth, about His great power, and about His redemption plan.

The same Hebrew word, chuwg, is used in Job 22:14 to describe the circuit of heaven. “Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.”

Here’s a Jewish Mosaic which shows the Sun of Righteousness holding a globe earth; and it is surrounded by the 12 constellations of the Mazzoroth, the circle of stars which Isaiah was told to look up to.

Satan caused the pagans to pervert the story of the constellations and the sun god, but Messiah is the Sun of Righteousness (Malachi 4:2); and the 12 constellations proclaim the story of our redemption by Messiah. Read The Gospel In The Stars.

Jewish mosaic sun globe earth, 12 constellations in a circle

Job 38:4 is talking about the creation of the earth, not the physical foundation.

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.”

The Hebrew word yacad is a primitive root; to set (literally or figuratively); intensively, to found; reflexively, to sit down together, i.e. settle, consult:—appoint, take counsel, establish, (lay the, lay for a) found(-ation), instruct, lay, ordain, set, X sure.

So the word foundation isn’t necessarily pointing to the physical property, but the time of creation.

Proverbs 3:19 reinforces the point:

The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.”

Job 38:18 simply points to the width of the earth.  The Hebrew word is rachab, which means: a width:—breadth, broad place. Both the flat earth and globe earth have a width.

Have you understood the breadth of the earth? Declare, if you know it all.

Job 26:10 is declaring that the land will hold the water back, not an ice wall.

I love the irony of this meme.  They are declaring Job 26:10 to proclaim that the waters are compassed by the supposed ice ring that surrounds the flat earth, but the picture conveys the true intent of Scripture, that land would hold the waters back.

Jop 26:10 used to supposedly prove flat earth ice wall

Revelation 20:9 is talking about mountain or plateau, not a flat earth.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The Greek word for earth is ge, is not referring to the whole earth, but to the land of Jerusalem.

ge = which means: by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):—country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.

Just as the city of Jerusalem is set up on a hill, the New Jerusalem will also be set up high.

The armies of the enemies will go up to Jerusalem, to seek to attack it.

Flat earthers proclaim that Matthew 4:8 proves the flat earth.

Matthew 4:8 “Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Simple logic tells us that even on a flat earth, there is no mountain in the world from which you can view all the kingdoms of the world.

So it’s either figurative language; or Satan, the prince of the air, was able to somehow show the grand places of the earth.

The word ‘pillars‘ in 1 Samuel 2:8 is referring to leaders of the earth, not physical pillars that support the flat earth.

1 Samuel 2:8 “He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, and he hath set the world upon them.”

First, let’s apply logic.  When constructing a large structure, a foundation is created and then the pillars are mounted on top of the foundation.

Does it make any sense to place pillars under the flat earth, since the pillars would not be mounted on top of a foundation, but rather would sit in open space?

The first part of 1 Samuel 2:8 tells you that the latter part is not talking about the creation/design of the earth.

Rather it is talking about the leaders of the earth, the pillars, who Elohim controls to uphold civil order in the world.

The previous verse is talking about raising people up in status, and bringing them down.

The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.” 1 Samuel 2:7

The next few verses are talking about the saints being preserve from the wicked, and the adversaries of the lord being broken to pieces.

Matthew Poole’s Commentary on the Holy Bible

The princes or governors of the earth, which are called the corners, or corner-stones, of a land or people, Jg 20:2; 1Sa 14:38; Zep 3:6, and are fitly called pillars, because they uphold the world, and keep it from sinking into confusion. See Ps 74:2; Jer 1:18; Re 3:12. And these are here said to be the Lord’s, by creation and constitution, because he advanceth them to their state, and preserves them in it, Pr 8:15-16, and puts the world, or the kingdoms of the world, upon them, as burdens upon their shoulders: see Isa 9:6.

John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible

Figuratively, the pillars of the earth may design the princes of the world, the supreme rulers of it, and civil magistrates, who are sometimes called cornerstones, and the shields of the earth, Zec 10:4, and so pillars, because they are the means of cementing, supporting, and protecting the people of the earth, and of preserving their peace and property. Likewise good men may be meant in a figurative sense, who, as they are the salt of the earth, are the pillars of it, for whose sake it was made, and is supported, and continued in being; the church is the pillar and ground of truth; and every good man is a pillar in the house of God, and especially ministers of the Gospel; see Re 3:12.

Revelation 3:12 is saying that the overcomers will be made leaders, pillars, in heaven.

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.”

So we can clearly see that 1 Samuel 2:8 is not talking about the physical design of the earth, but to the leaders of the earth, whom Elohim controls.

The word ‘firmament’ simply means ‘expanse’.

The Hebrew word for firmament is raqiya` from 7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament.

They point to the root word raqa, but it is simply describing something that is spread out, an expanse.

The Scriptures (ISR98) is a better translation than the King James, and it uses the word ‘expanse’ instead of ‘firmament’.

And Elohim said, “Let an expanse come to be in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” And Elohim made the expanse, and separated the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse. And it came to be so.  And Elohim called the expanse ‘heavens.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the second day.

Once again the ISR98 renders the proper word, expanse, in Genesis 1:14-18.

Let lights come to be in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and appointed times, and for days and years, and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth. And it came to be so. And Elohim made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night, and the stars.  And Elohim set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And Elohim saw that it was good.

Job 37:18 is simply declaring the glory of a clear sky, which allows you to see the many stars, which reflects the glory of Elohim’s creation.

Did you, with Him, spread out the clouds, strong as a hard mirror? ISR 98

Psalm 19:1-6 is talking about the 12 constellations of the Mazzaroth which encircle the earth on the ecliptic, and in which the Sun travels to tell the redemption story.

Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Psalm 148:4 simply points to how the water cycle of the earth causes great stores of water to collect in the clouds, vapors, air, leading to rain, snow and hail.

Praise Him, heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens!

Isaiah 40

They say that there is a glass dome above the Earth

They base that on Job 37:18, Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

Logic would say that a glass dome would reflect the sunlight and cause glares all over the earth.

It’s proclaiming that the sky is spread out and clear.

They didn’t have molten glass back then, so it is pointing to a mirror; which back then would have been made of polished brass.

The ISR98 Bible renders it, Did you, with Him, spread out the clouds, strong as a hard mirror?

They point to Daniel 4:10 to proclaim there is a center of their flat earth.

Daniel 4:10 “Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.

This is just another example of them taking a verse completely out of context to try to prove their agenda.  This passage is not talking about the design of the earth or the place that is the center.

The ‘tree in the midst of the earth‘ that Daniel was describing was king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, who reigned over the kingdoms of the earth.

He was humbled more than any man, and made to eat grass as the cattle of the field, which at the end of his punishment, caused him to praise his Creator.

How flat-earthers don’t bother to read the rest of the chapter, I cannot understand.  Verses 20-22 tell you who the tree represents.

The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth; whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was food for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the birds of the heavens had their habitation: it is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong; for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.

Matthew Poole’s Commentary on the Holy Bible: A tree: those that write of the language of the East tell us that a tree denote some excellent man. Thus the prophet Ezekiel, Ezekiel 31 throughout, describes the king of Assyria, and Pharaoh king of Egypt, in their flourish, height, and great fall, comparing them to huge cedars.

And besides that, everyone on the flat earth can’t see the sun, which is supposedly 3,000 miles high,  so how would they all see a giant tree?

Flat Earthers say that Scripture declares that the moon creates its own light.

For the stars of the heavens and their constellations do not give off their light. The sun shall be dark at its rising, and the moon not send out its light.” ~ Isaiah 13:10

Though stars make their own light, this verse shows the direct relationship between the moon not giving light after the sun is darkened.   This cause and effect is seen in other verses, which state that the sun is darkened and thus the moon is darkened too.

The verse is not pointing to the physical sun, moon and stars; rather it is pointing to the overthrow of the Babylonian kingdom.  The ‘sun, moon and stars’ are symbolic of earthly dignitaries, great political authorities and great lights in the political or religious heavens.

We know this because in Genesis 37:8-10, Joseph had a dream, ..”And this time, the sun, the moon, and the eleven stars bowed down to me. So he told it to his father and his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall your mother and I and your brothers indeed come to bow down to the earth before you?” It was symbolic of the power structure.

Isaiah 13:10 is referring to the Babylonian leaders being removed from power by the Medo-Persians; not to the literal heavenly bodies.

For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.“

Isaiah 13:17 confirms this with, “Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them,

Isaiah 30:26 again is not referring to the literal heavenly bodies:

And the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that יהוה binds up the breach of His people, and heals the wound of His blows.”

By moon, sun, light, are to be understood the abundance of spiritual and temporal felicity with which Elohim should bless them in the days of the Messiah, which should be sevenfold, i.e. vastly exceed all that they had ever before possessed.

Messiah is the Sun, His followers are the Moon, who reflect His light.

And once again Matthew 24:29 is pointing to the political leadership of the Jews.

And immediately after the distress of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.”

This is about the High Priest (sun) and the Sanhedrin (moon) and other priests (stars) being cast down from power by the Romans in 70 A.D. Read The Sun, Moon And Stars

Revelation 6:13-14 symbolizes the decline of the mighty Roman Empire, when there was great political upheaval. Read Revelation 6 – 6th Seal Earthquake

And the stars of the heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its unripe figs, being shaken by a strong wind. And heaven departed like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.

They cite Revelation 1:7 to say that only on a flat earth could everyone see Messiah return.

See, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye shall see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth shall mourn because of Him. Yes, Amĕn.

But that doesn’t prove the flat earth, because there is no place on the flat earth where Messiah could return, that every person in every country could see.   Can you see the sky over Jerusalem from where you live? No!

They cite Revelation 9:1 to say that only a flat earth can have a bottomless pit.

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Revelation 9:1 is pointing to the rise of Islam from the bottomless pit of Satan’s deceptions, which has deceived many people.  It’s not describing a real pit of the earth.

The earth is immovable, which may point to the geocentric position of the earth, but it does not prove that the earth is flat.

1 Chronicles 16:30 is simply saying that the kingdom of Elohim will never be moved.

Tremble before Him, all the earth. The world also is firmly established, immovable.

Psalm 93:1 is echoing the statement of 1 Chronicles 16:30.  They simply are not passages that are talking about the design of the earth, but rather about the mighty power of Elohim.

יהוה shall reign, He shall put on excellency; יהוה shall put on strength; He shall gird Himself. Indeed, the world is established, immovable.

Psalm 93:2 says, Your throne is established from of old; You are from everlasting.

Flat earthers wrongly proclaim that Psalm 96:10 declares a fixed earth position.

Flat earthers post memes like this that say that the Bible proclaims a flat earth, but what they are doing is taking Scripture out of context to make it seem like it is proclaiming a flat earth.

Psalm 96:10 is not declaring a fixed earth

Read Psalm 96. Does it have anything to do with the creation of the earth or the design of the earth? No!

It a Psalm of David, a prophecy of the coming of the Messiah, and of the calling of the Gentiles that believe in him:

This meme cites Psalm 96:10, but they either changed the words, or are using a modern bible version.

The King James read, “Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

The word for world is tebel = the earth (as moist and therefore inhabited); by extension, the globe; by implication, its inhabitants; specifically, a particular land, as Babylonia, Palestine:—habitable part, world.

What is the particular land of Scripture? Jerusalem, mount Zion.

The next verse talks about the earth, that it should be glad. Should we take that to mean the physical earth should be glad? No!

Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof.” Psalm 96:11

Psalm 96 is not declaring a fixed earth. It’s saying that the kingdom of Elohim, made up of those who have a covenant relationship with Him through the Son, will not be moved. And that they will rejoice at His righteous judgment.

Psalm 104:5 is talking about the design of Earth and the heavens, “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

Isaiah 45:18: “…who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast…”

The King James does not include the word ‘fixed’, “For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

The globe earth is fixed and immovable in relation to its orbit around the sun.

I’m open to the geocentric position of the globe Earth, but even if the heliocentric explanation is valid; nothing but Elohim can move the Earth from it’s circular path around the Sun.

Verses that indicate that the sun moves, which may point to the geocentric position of the earth, but it does not prove that the earth is flat.

Joshua 10:12-13, So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself upon their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Yashar? Thus the sun stopped in the midst of the heavens, and did not hasten to go down for an entire day. 

Isaiah 38:8, See, I am bringing the shadow on the sundial, which has gone down with the sun on the sundial of Aḥaz, ten degrees backward.” And the sun returned ten degrees on the dial by which it had gone down.

Flattening the Flat Earth Theory (The Earth is NOT Flat) by Doug Hamp

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scott March 20, 2017 at 11:51 am

Can you tell.me why Joshua believed the sun moved? Because thats what he said. If it was only his perception why wouldnt God had corrected him, well not just him but Moses and all the patriachs. Its clear that what Joshua said is what he believed and this would have been taught to him and instilled in him all his life. Dont you think that God would have corrected them, considering his creation is his handy work, something that proves to the whole world , he us the creator? Why would he let them be decieved. Why would an inspired book write it that way. God himself says it in Isaiah 38:8. If we are to believe what now get forced to beieve,we have to accept thst Joshuas perception was wrong. And so was all the other great men if God who taught him. Or you must believe God did care much to correct them.

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David March 20, 2017 at 4:10 pm

Scott, if you read the intro paragraph on the home page, then you see that I am not debating the heliocentric model vs. the geocentric model. I am debating whether the earth is flat or globe-shaped.

Let me start by saying that I understand that it doesn’t seem like the Earth is spinning or that we are flying through space; and that Bible verses seem to point to a stationary earth, and a moving sun. While those things seem to point to a geocentric design of our universe, it does not in itself prove that the earth is flat.

That said, Scripture may be written from the perspective of a man, in this case Joshua, on a big planet. All Joshua knew was that the Sun seemed to stand still and that the day lasted longer, and that really is the point of the passage. So since the Sun stayed overhead longer than usual, he wrote about the Sun.

But our Creator could have manipulated the Earth’s pattern to make the Sun seem to stay overhead longer.

On the Bible page, I show how Bible passages are taken out of context to try to make them point to a flat earth. http://flatearthdeception.com/biblical-proofs-of-the-globe-earth/

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christopher t semien August 13, 2017 at 4:35 pm

The earth is given into the hand of the wicked. Job 9:24 KJV
for he (Satan) is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:44
My brother, I see your confusion. You are trying to reconcile your world view (scientism) with Biblical scripture. There are many lies in this world that most people accept as truth because they see it on television and “scientist say”. To help you in your search for truth,maybe you should start with a more simpler lie such as the moon landing hoax.

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David August 13, 2017 at 5:46 pm

I understand that the moon landing was fake, but that does not prove that the earth is flat, just that NASA is a covert-operations program. Most of my explanations have nothing to do with ‘scientism’, they just show logical, observable proofs. And my Biblical Proofs Of The Globe Earth page shows the true context and explanation of passages that flat earthers cite as proof. As I noted on the home page, I just want the truth. And maybe that truth is the option that nobody is talking about: a globe, geocentric earth.

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Drew August 14, 2017 at 6:44 pm

Hello, first I want to say thanks for the great page, while I don’t agree with the position I appreciate the effort and the thought that went into it. I know when I first heard of the idea of a flat earth my natural response was to research to prove (what I thought at the time and that being the idea that everyone knows the earth is a globe and wanted to debunk it for myself) a globe earth.

I can tell you that I have been reviewing, researching opinions from both sides of this argument to better educate myself about both positions and therefore give a proper response to anyone I happen to speak to about this. Here is what I have discovered.

I have watched(youtube only) people going out and doing their own experiments with what resources they have available to them to prove either flat or globe, and many of these people claim to be believers. In many of these experiments I have observed their data, and this repeated by others that clearly doesn’t fit the currently accepted scientific position of a globe earth with the horizon rising up between the viewer and an object at a distance that should not be view-able due to the curvature of a globe that has been officially stated to be 24909 miles in circumference.

I have seen many people quote and use already existing information but only one video of a person actually going to experiment in a attempt to prove a globe earth.

The real question I heard someone suggest is what model more compliments what the Word of God has declared and gives glory to God in His creation. The globe earth fits the worldview and as believers we know the worldview is always going to be one that will attempt to discredit God’s Word. Evolution is a lie, current medical treatments are designed to make pharmaceutical companies richer and richer, education is set up to specifically downgrade and destroy any biblical views of those being educated. As the Lord said, “he was a liar from the beginning…” speaking of the devil. So the agenda of the world, which is in direct tyranny that is opposed to God and God’s word, is to defy the truth of God’s word and the gospel of Jesus Christ. Fallen humanity that hasn’t come to the saving truth of the Gospel will always look for something outside of the truth of the Gospel and to live their own kingdoms instead of living for God’s Kingdom.

John explained in his 1st epistle that friendship with the world is enmity with God. Jesus stated to his disciples on the night of His betrayal that the world will hate those of us who believe in Him, but the reason is because the world first hated HIM. So ANY truth that the world presents should be subject to scrutiny simply because it will be distorted and will in most cases oppose God and His word.

In my research I have come to find that NASA (a military organization, not simply a group of scientists trying to discover things) has show itself to be completely unreliable. So has most of the current (funded) scientific community that supports anything the government says… e.g. global warming, climate change…

But I do appreciate the view and the lively discussion and the fact that people can offer their opinion and research the truth. Very refreshing over the constant ridicule and condemnation without investigation that has for some reason become people’s idea of an intelligent response to a different viewpoint.

Have a good day.

Serafin Flores April 29, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Thank You Very Much

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Andy Haverland May 1, 2017 at 3:24 am

Love your site. This has become very important to me. Exposing the FE for what it is; a spiritual deception which is meant to destroy the authenticity of scripture and impugn the character of God. Thank you for what you are doing!!

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David May 1, 2017 at 3:53 am

Thank you for your comment Andy! At first I just dismissed the flat earth concept as a fad, but then I kept seeing friends on Facebook promoting it, and it is a growing trend.

Sadly, most flat earthers teach some great truths about the many deceptions in the world, but the enemy has effectively caused their family and friends to stop listening to them; because they push the flat earth theory.

And I’ve had people attack me and tell me that I’m blind, so that just drives me to expose this deception. 🙂

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Barney May 23, 2017 at 10:10 pm

Hi David,

I just wanted to ask you about the following verse.

Genesis 1:9
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

What gathers the waters together on a globe? Also why would this scripture not be taken literally?

Many thanks.

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David May 24, 2017 at 1:38 am

Hi Barney, the verse seems literal to me. The waters below the heavens, the oceans and seas, are all basically connected into one; we just give them names. How do you see them being gathered together?

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Drew August 14, 2017 at 7:08 pm

One last comment to you, you mention the ISR 98 Translation being a better translation, I would recommend you research for yourself the new translations that have all been done using different manuscripts that the early church reject as corrupt. Research Westcott and Hort, who were the two main translators creating their own Greek New Testament called the ‘Critical Text’ and how they removed tremendous amounts of the original “received texts” or what is known as the “Textus Receptus” that was used by early English translators, John Wycliff, Miles Coverdale, Walter Tyndale, the Geneva bible Translators and the King James translators.

The LORD used the Geneva and King James scriptures to spread His gospel around the world via missionaries from England and America. To say that a newer translation is better than these means you haven’t taken the time to research the errors and removal of scriptures for the ESV, NIV, NASB, etc, etc, etc. This list goes on, research how Wescott and Hort removed all the titles of Jesus Lordship from the ESV, or do the research yourself reading these versions side by side. I have… you will see for yourself how so much has been removed or changed. If you don’t make yourself aware of this first then it’s very easy to pull other translations in order to more solidify your position regarding anything.

But lastly I say this, please don’t attempt to make the bible fit your current worldview… it will in just about every case never be reconcilable.

Study to show yourself approved! That you may rightly divine the WORD OF TRUTH.

Take care!

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David August 15, 2017 at 1:47 am

Thanks Drew, I am aware of what Westcott and Hort did in producing a corrupt Greek Bible, upon which MOST new Bibles are based. Here’s a study page that compares the KJV with the NIV, to show what is missing and changed. http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/kj-niv-esv-modern-bible-deception-verse-comparison-study/

Here’s a study that shows the two paths of Scripture. http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/bible-manuscript-paths/

The ISR98 is not based on the corrupt Greek Bible, but is based on the Textus Receptus. But the King James translated some words wrong, and the ISR98 translates them better. The bigger issue is that the King James replaced the covenant name of the Father, YHUH, which is in the masoretic text manuscripts; and replaced it with the titles of God and Lord. Here’s a link to a study about that. http://christianitybeliefs.org/the-falling-away/the-names-of-the-father-and-the-son/

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Drew August 17, 2017 at 5:27 am

Hi David,

good to hear that you are aware of the situation with the newer translations. That is really good to hear. I don’t agree that the King James translated words incorrectly, nor the Geneva, or some of the previous earlier English Translations. While I am not completely familiar with ISR98 I do see the connection to messianic Judaism, and nothing wrong there unless it starts leading to the path that a person has to follow the precepts of keeping any type of given to Israel traditions, such as Sabbath keeping, festivals, etc. I have read only a few pages including the ISR page and I see this prevalent when it comes to this translation. I am still researching it and will get back to you once I have had more time to research it.

But to say it has gotten something right that the King James translators got incorrect is a matter of opinion, especially when translations like the Geneva and KJV were used by the LORD to spread His gospel word around the entire world.

I am sure you mean well, but I don’t agree that because the King James has words that are not Hebrew in origin that it has been mistranslated. To say that scholars centuries ago who were just as dedicated in their discipline, who were also much closer time wise to the source material got it wrong doesn’t make sense. The translators of the Geneva Version, who were over a half century before the AKJV did they get this wrong as well?

Look, some of your scriptural arguments are based on what you claim are mistranslations of the original languages, well I must tell you that I have had conversations with Mormons, JW’s and others who all say exactly the same thing, your translation is incorrect, they can’t prove it, but they claim this in order to justify their reasoning behind the books they use. Just because you say that doesn’t make it so, it just means that is how your formulate your view about it.

I will definitely check out the links you sent and thank you for the info, the more I learn, the more I realize how much more I really need to learn so much more.

God bless.

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jim August 18, 2017 at 8:27 pm

you should read and study more before you make silly comments, like they did not have molten glass back then. Ya knows the beginning to end

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David August 18, 2017 at 10:19 pm

You should study the Hebrew words before making silly comments. In Job’s day, they had polished metal mirrors. Molten in Hebrew 3332 = to melt or cast as metal. Glass in Hebrew 7209 = a mirror.

The King James translated it as glass, instead of mirror; as they had glass in King James day.

The Scriptures 98 Bible translation, which is more accurate than the KJV, renders it as “Did you, with Him, spread out the clouds, strong as a hard mirror?” Job 37:18

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Daniel September 20, 2017 at 8:56 pm

The “Flat Earth Society” is pure disinfo, David. Their purpose is, and has been, to discredit the truth of flat Earth.
And I’m sure you are aware of the jesuit involvement in promoting the globe model, so I’m baffled that you aren’t more skeptical of it.
Also, while you may not think flat Earth points to a Creator, it most certainly points away from the evolution hypothesis, casts doubt on a big bang genesis, and as a result, leaves little doubt as to our origin.

I wonder just how far back you think this “psyop” goes. I’ve known that Earth is flat since 1954. It’s clear that this was a common understanding of the ancient Hebrews, as we have many old images reflecting a flat Earth.

And I wonder how the motion of Earth, or the expected curvature of a spherical Earth, are unmeasurable. If something can’t be found and measured, what logic insists they exist?
The ultimate negation of the globe model lies in the nature of water.
Convexity is not found in large volumes of water. I cannot picture a globe which is 71% flat, and 29% spherical.

The globe is a jesuit deception, just as the twisting of Daniel’s prophecy is a jesuit strategy.

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David September 21, 2017 at 4:17 pm

I’m aware of the Jesuit’s involvement in promoting the flat earth model. The flat earth theory points to a lame god, which made a terrarium, and let life evolve. The globe earth points to an infinite God, whose creation is grand and precise in its design.

You say that the Hebrews believed in the flat earth, but that is a false association, as you think that Old Testament passages describe a flat earth. This page shows that flat earthers are taking these verses out of context.

The water not curving argument is lame. Mass attracts mass. The core of the globe earth attracts things with mass, such as water, which causes them to stay down; and thus curve around the earth.

On the flip side, flat earthers can’t explain why the oceans don’t just float up into space. What force causes them to stay in place, and to always seek the lowest level?

Why do ships disappear over the horizon line, bottom first? Because the water curves around the globe earth.

If the earth were flat, the ships would decrease in size until they disappear as a small dot ABOVE the horizon line.

We can clearly see that the earth is curved, by simple observations.

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Daniel September 24, 2017 at 1:25 am

To begin, I said nowhere that jesuits promoted the flat Earth model. In fact, I said the opposite, twice.

Your comment that a flat Earth points to a “lame god” is baffling. You give no reason for stating this, or why a globe indicates an “infinite God”. By my lights, this flat Earth is an incredible design, far surpassing any “third rock” among billions of rocks. Everything about FE is testament to an omniscient, omnipotent, loving God.

As to ancient cosmology, flat Earth was virtually universally accepted as true, among all civilizations. What supports your view to the contrary?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
(Yes, I’m aware that wikipedia is not faultless…when time permits, I can provide more substantial sources)

The notion that everything is attracted to a central mass is a fiction. Gravity is not a force. It is a property of mass, as in specific gravity. Things fall down because of density and buoyancy. This is actual science. Gravity as a force is an unproven, unsupportable hypothesis, nothing more. The word gravity means heavy or weighty, and perfectly fits the actual science.

The expected curvature over water is simply absent. What can’t be proven, demonstrated, or measured, has no bearing on scientific method.

Now, if you watched any of the videos of boats sailing away, posted by flat Earth proponents, you’d see that, although a ship may appear to go over the curve of Earth, a sufficient lens will bring the entire ship back into view, barring extreme atmospheric occlusion or water motion.
There is no measurable curvature to correspond with a globe Earth.
There is no measurable motion of a spinning globe, or of orbital motion, or any other movement of Earth.
What does not exist cannot be measured.

You say no flat Earth proponent can explain why the oceans don’t float up into space. False.
I’ve already referenced the science. Objects which are more dense than their surrounding medium, fall. Objects which are less dense, rise.
Water is more dense than air. It couldn’t be simpler.

It’s disheartening to see you interpret the Bible in suchwise as to support your contention. There are many more verses to support a flat Earth, and when viewed together, are consistent with flat Earth.

What would be your explanation for the horizon always rising to eye level, regardless of altitude, on a spherical Earth? Logic would indicate that the higher you go, the more you would need to look down to see the horizon, but this is not what happens in reality.

You can believe modern “science” regarding Earth if you prefer, but their model is largely the creation of jesuits and homosexuals, promoted today by admitted liars.
Modern science is nothing but religion.
It literally represents another god.

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David September 21, 2017 at 5:06 pm

With the fall equinox happening tomorrow, 9/22; please explain to me how the sun will rise due East, at 90 degrees; and how the sun will set due West, at 270 degrees; in both New York, North America and Santiago, Chile, South America; at the same time? Just look at your supposed flat earth map and tell me how how that happens?

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David August 15, 2017 at 1:50 am

Thanks for the comment Drew! I don’t have a problem with people disagreeing with my explanations, but many flat earthers, many who are Christian, are very rude and attacking. I don’t post some comments because they are so vile.

Deception from NASA and about global warming and climate change, does not prove that the earth is flat; just that the enemy is devious, in promoting their agenda.

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Drew August 17, 2017 at 5:57 am

Hi David, your most welcome, I enjoy the discussion very much. I will tell you, just like most who offer a differing opinion to the common majority thought, that the vitriol comes much more often and the condescension and disdain and dismissal is non-stop, including from those who claim to follow Jesus, but bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which dispitefully use you and persecute you.

Please keep up the good fight! When we have nothing but love for them it glorifies the the name of the LORD.

I never stated that what I said was an attempt to prove or disprove, only that any
source from the world will always try to disprove and destroy what God Himself has clearly stated in His word. As I said earlier, how does a globe earth advance the gospel any better than a flat one? The world, the world system, has NOTHING good for followers of Jesus… nothing… it only wants to deceive us and do every thing it can to destroy our witness and make us ineffective to spread His Gospel. So if some educational or national institution claims something, you can bet the their evidence or explanation will ALWAYS do what it can to nullify what God has declared.

I mentioned to you that there are people out there doing scientific experiments to prove or disprove flat or globe. Both models are very hard to prove without verification from altitude. But using established globe math and calculations, people have been able to show that where there should be earth curvature rising up between them and some distant object there just is not, including laser experimentation across lakes both liquid and frozen.

Rob Skiba on youtube charted a boat from the West shore of Michigan to travel across Lake Michigan in order to verify that he could or couldn’t see the skyline of the city of Chicago 46 miles away, which would be hidden behind the curvature of the lake, but, from his starting point using a 900 zoom lense he was able to see the skyline… all the way across the lake… either the earth is a much bigger globe than currently stated or it’s not a globe at all.

He’s not the only one, there are countless people doing this, and their results for the most part are the same… distant objects, which should be hidden behind the curve of the earth according to globe math, are visible after a person zooms in. These are just some of the things I am still researching my friend… I by no means state that video hasn’t been edited or modified and I won’t know how accurate this is until I go out myself and start doing some science.

Keep up the good work.

God bless.

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